Obama ... He's Lookin' Good!

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Yeah it looks like 2.5% unless you qualify for assistance or have your own insurance already. Also you can be released from it under things like religious reasons and what not. The people with insurance already won't see anything changed.

This really affects those suckling off of the rest of the paying public's tit.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Yeah it looks like 2.5% unless you qualify for assistance or have your own insurance already. Also you can be released from it under things like religious reasons and what not. The people with insurance already won't see anything changed.

This really affects those suckling off of the rest of the paying public's tit.
Considering the fact that I pay cash for my medical procedures, and don't want insurance (because it is a waste of resources that provides no benefit) then it's an idiotic approach.

As far as your claims that it effects those benefitting off the public, no it doesn't. The plan being put forth is that they will get free insurance, because the government is going to subsidize it.

EPIC FAIL Hanimmal
 
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chitownsmoking

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fuck obama and any form of authority of government. AND MOST IMoPRTANTLY STOP SNITCHIN. or it will catch up with u
 

CrackerJax

New Member
H.L. Mencken said it best.......

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to rule it."
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
As far as your claims that it effects those benefitting off the public, no it doesn't. The plan being put forth is that they will get free insurance, because the government is going to subsidize it.

EPIC FAIL Hanimmal
Don't 99% of them already get their care subsidized?
 
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chitownsmoking

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do you see any changes for the better? shit looks the same from my view
 

TheBrutalTruth

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http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon0722dg.html

David Gratzer
Bigger Is Healthier
The problem with U.S. health care is its cost, not its size.
22 July 2009
As the White House tries to get health-care reform through Congress, it has repeatedly pointed out that the health sector constitutes 16 percent of America’s GDP. The implication is that this is a bad thing. But why? Officially, the logic is this: the larger health care’s share of the economy, the higher the per-unit cost of care to the government, to employers, and to you. In Canada, for instance, health care is just 10 percent of GDP. Further, our northern neighbor covers almost every citizen and we don’t. The U.S., then, seems to be paying far more to insure a smaller share of its population—to be paying more for less.
There are several flaws in this reasoning, first and foremost its claim that a dollar spent is a dollar wasted. America’s health-care sector is larger partly because, unlike Canada’s, it includes for-profit corporations. Consider the benefit: companies invest billions each year developing innovative, life-saving drugs and devices. Are these expenses really something to lament? Similarly, is it a disadvantage that the U.S. has 11 percent more practicing doctors per capita than Canada? Or 15 percent more nurses? Is it a problem that the United States has almost four times as many MRI scanners per capita as Canada does, or that we preventively test more of our population for common cancers? Hardly. The fact that America’s health-care system is larger, more advanced, and better staffed than a system with rationed care is an advantage. To pretend otherwise is just a tactic to make the reform pill easier to swallow.
So the American health sector doesn’t have to shrink. But it should certainly deliver care at a lower unit price. To see how, let’s stop comparing our health care with what’s available in Canada or Sweden or Mars and instead make some comparisons among various American health-care systems. Take two very different states: Wisconsin and New York. In Wisconsin, a family can buy a health-insurance plan for as little as $3,000 a year. The price for a basic family plan in the Empire State: $12,000. The stark difference has nothing to do with each state’s health sector as a share of its economy (14.8 percent in Wisconsin as of 2004, the most recent year for which data are available, and 13.9 percent in New York). Rather, the difference has to do with how each state’s insurance pools are regulated. In New York State, politicians have tried to run the health-insurance system from Albany, forcing insurers to deliver complex Cadillac plans to every subscriber for political reasons, driving up costs. Wisconsin’s insurers are far freer to sell plans at prices consumers want.
The gulf in insurance-premium prices among American states is a sign that too much government intervention—not too little—is what’s distorting prices from one market to the next. The key to reducing health-care costs for patients, then, is to promote competition, not to dictate insurance requirements from on high. Unfortunately, a government-run insurance plan is the core of ObamaCare.
America’s health system faces real challenges. But to get the treatment right, we need to get the diagnosis right. American health care isn’t too big—it’s too expensive. And to lower its costs, we don’t need more government in health care; we need more competition.
Gratzer, a physician, is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.
 

hater hurter

Active Member
His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.


He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.




i have no problem with any of those. also, we started losing this country when bush was president. warrantless wiretapping and now another program that wasn't even dislosed to congress.

when we allow our freedoms to be taken from us in the name of security then the terrorists have won. the whole idea of terrorism is to scare you into changing, which is what happened.
 

Big P

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His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.

He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.




i have no problem with any of those. also, we started losing this country when bush was president. warrantless wiretapping and now another program that wasn't even dislosed to congress.

when we allow our freedoms to be taken from us in the name of security then the terrorists have won. the whole idea of terrorism is to scare you into changing, which is what happened.
hey 2002 called they want thier mindless dribble back.
 

fitch303

Well-Known Member
His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.


He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.




i have no problem with any of those. also, we started losing this country when bush was president. warrantless wiretapping and now another program that wasn't even dislosed to congress.

when we allow our freedoms to be taken from us in the name of security then the terrorists have won. the whole idea of terrorism is to scare you into changing, which is what happened.
You have no problems with us tax payer money funding abortions overseas?
 

Operation 420

Well-Known Member
His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.

He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.


He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.




i have no problem with any of those. also, we started losing this country when bush was president. warrantless wiretapping and now another program that wasn't even dislosed to congress.

when we allow our freedoms to be taken from us in the name of security then the terrorists have won. the whole idea of terrorism is to scare you into changing, which is what happened.
Hey clueless guy. Obama not only kept the Patriot Act intact, he expanded on it.

You agree with U.S. tax dollars paying for abortions around the world?
 

hater hurter

Active Member
Hey clueless guy. Obama not only kept the Patriot Act intact, he expanded on it.

You agree with U.S. tax dollars paying for abortions around the world?

hey op guy, like the other choice for president wasn't going to do the same damn thing but had a retard as his vice president. i'll take biden's gaffes over palins down home inbreeding anyday.
 

Operation 420

Well-Known Member
hey op guy, like the other choice for president wasn't going to do the same damn thing but had a retard as his vice president. i'll take biden's gaffes over palins down home inbreeding anyday.
McCain and Palin aren't in charge though. Obama is, why keep bringing them up, because they aren't the ones f'ing the country up.

How do you explain him not only keeping the patriot act in place, but expanding upon it?

Edit: you already said you don't care about the abortion thing. Can you answer the Patriot act question though?

Don't answer my questions though, just bring up Palin or McCain even though they have nothing to do with the discussion.
 
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