Obama is the anti-Christ!!!
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Zig Zag Zane
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yes, i need proof before i believe in some shit....why is that soooo crazy??lmao damn haha and how is being an athiest about your ego? what am i getting to boost my ego off becuz im athiest???im actually bashed becuz there are more religious ppl than athiest, and your wrong about us not believing in ANYTHING, like i said i believe their are things beyond us all, but i dont believe it comes in the form of an omniscent being who created and started everything...its actually really humble to believe in nothing, we dont strive to find the meaning of life or to be good to get into heaven, we just believe what we know...you got it all backwards, you say we have no proof...well YOU HAVE NO PROOF!lol
Tronica
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pointless.
im debating this with someone who doesnt even know the basics of his own arguments or the "beliefe" ( lack thereof, go look up atheism) in his own debate.
and go back one page and answer my other question that you skipped.
no offense but i think you're not very well versed in this topic but you're continuing anyways.
GoldenGanja13
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get over it people
natmoon
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Exactly.
My whole point is that which zigzag said.
You didn't even read what i said and if you did you only saw what you wanted to see.
As many people here know i am a firm believer in Jesus and in God and the Devil.
I may not go to church and sing stupid songs or knock on peoples doors and try to force them to believe but that doesn't mean i don't have any religion.
Do you really think that my beliefs need the popes and state approval for them to be mine?
I also believe that it is a fact that the bible states that if any man changes even one word of the bible then the bible should be considered useless.
As it is 66 books have been removed,the only text that was proven to have been written by a Jesus of Nazareth in Aramaic has been declared blasphemous and all of the ancient recipes for healing and enlightenment have been removed.
The bible has been altered by so many king's priests and such like over time how do you know what your reading isn't total crap?
I believe in my heart and in physics and in logic,logic tells me that a great positive force must exist as must a negative one.
Wether or not they have a direct hand in manipulating me or you does not make me agnostic.
You speak about that which you obviously know very little and singing songs in church does not make you Christian.
P.S. God told me he was sick of listening to the same old crap for the past few hundred years
My whole point is that which zigzag said.
You didn't even read what i said and if you did you only saw what you wanted to see.
As many people here know i am a firm believer in Jesus and in God and the Devil.
I may not go to church and sing stupid songs or knock on peoples doors and try to force them to believe but that doesn't mean i don't have any religion.
Do you really think that my beliefs need the popes and state approval for them to be mine?
I also believe that it is a fact that the bible states that if any man changes even one word of the bible then the bible should be considered useless.
As it is 66 books have been removed,the only text that was proven to have been written by a Jesus of Nazareth in Aramaic has been declared blasphemous and all of the ancient recipes for healing and enlightenment have been removed.
The bible has been altered by so many king's priests and such like over time how do you know what your reading isn't total crap?
I believe in my heart and in physics and in logic,logic tells me that a great positive force must exist as must a negative one.
Wether or not they have a direct hand in manipulating me or you does not make me agnostic.
You speak about that which you obviously know very little and singing songs in church does not make you Christian.
P.S. God told me he was sick of listening to the same old crap for the past few hundred years
Tronica
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get over us.
Tronica
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Exactly.
My whole point is that which zigzag said.
You didn't even read what i said and if you did you only saw what you wanted to see.
As many people here know i a firm believer in Jesus and in God and the Devil.
I may not go to church and sing stupid songs or knock on peoples doors and try to force them to believe but that doesn't mean i don't have any religion.
Do you really think that my beliefs need the popes and state approval for them to be mine?
I also believe that it is a fact that the bible states that if any man changes even one word of the bible then the bible should be considered useless.
As it is 66 books have been removed,the only text that was proven to have been written by a Jesus of Nazareth in Aramaic has been declared blasphemous and all of the ancient recipes for healing and enlightenment have been removed.
The bible has been altered by so many king's priests and such like over time how do you know what your reading isn't total crap?
I believe in my heart and in physics and in logic,logic tells me that a great positive force must exist as must a negative one.
Wether or not they have a direct hand in manipulating me or you does not make me agnostic.
You speak about that which you obviously know very little and singing songs in church does not make you Christian.
P.S. God told me he was sick of listening to the same old crap for the past few hundred years
i dont go to church.
and you don't sound very christian to me.
dont mock the same god you claim you believe in the same page.
ffs.
Zig Zag Zane
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why do i practice living? uhhh because we are fucking here...were on this earth, and living is great! i dont need an expectation of heavens gate once i die or 80 virgins and shit, i simply try to enjoy life since im here and not make perfect sense of it with a book to follow and a bunch of rules which dictates whats good and bad, and what i been trynna say is that the 2 atoms thing to create the big bang...my athiesm doesnt mean i think it came from fucking no where but like i said, there are things beyond us and this earth, but i dont think it was an omniscent giant human being in the sky , and sice your religious, shouldnt you be disregarding science and the big bang?
Tronica
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i can explain the big bang and evolution with religion.
why disregard it?
quit putting the bible in my hand too pls because i have not brought it up once.
For Natmoon
Agnosticim is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]
why disregard it?
quit putting the bible in my hand too pls because i have not brought it up once.
For Natmoon
Agnosticim is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.[1]
natmoon
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The only person that mocks god is you lot.
Do you really think that an omnipotent being that created everything would care that you had wanked or had sex with a same sex partner or that he flies on a cloud with trumpets talking crap and burning people because they forgot the sabbath.
Show some respect for the unfathomable and stop singing shitty songs at him,he don't like it,its boring,all you ever ask for is shit for yourselves.
God laughs at you all imo,bunch of nobs,preaching repression and doom.
God is about love and peace,the devil is about chaos and violence because that is their nature.
Both are required for life and i was given my free will to speak my mind and make my choices and that is what i will do
Zig Zag Zane
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tronica, your saying i dont even know what i am and that im not athiest, well i say im athiest, because thats the closest to what a believe, and i usually dont even like to label myself in any of these terms, because the point of being athiest is to live without that idea of being part of a religious group and the definition of athiest may not fit my beliefs completely to the fucking T, but its the closest. so box me however you want....and plus were just running in circles.
Tronica
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Tronica
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hey bud, go back and read more.The only person that mocks god is you lot.
Do you really think that an omnipotent being that created everything would care that you had wanked or had sex with a same sex partner or that he flies on a cloud with trumpets talking crap and burning people because they forgot the sabbath.
Show some respect for the unfathomable and stop singing shitty songs at him,he don't like it,its boring,all you ever ask for is shit for yourselves.
God laughs at you all imo,bunch of nobs,preaching repression and doom.
God is about love and peace,the devil is about chaos and violence because that is their nature.
Both are required for life and i was given my free will to speak my mind and make my choices and that is what i will do
Zig Zag Zane
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well thats the point im just simply trynna make, i live my life, as if religion was never even a word or an idea
natmoon
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Are you really stupid or just blind?
Read what you've posted.
I said the "universe" was impossible because it is and i still believe in god and the devil.
Something cannot come from nothing,the end.
Therefore the universe cannot exist yet it does making it impossible.
I don't need proof of any kind that there must be an equal and opposing force on either side of the universe,its totally obvious and basic physics.
The only debate is whether they are sentient in their entirety or if they just effect us as people on a daily basis due to the energy that they emit.
As i said before i am not agnostic and you don't read or understand fully before you speak.
Stoney McFried
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Quite frankly, humans only see time in a linear fashion,and so think of things as having a "beginning" and an "ending".The big bang is easily explained, and clues are observable in space as we see it today.Basically, if you look at supernovae, you can see the big bang in miniature...how, when the star has used up it's available supply of gases, heavier elements come into play...the star collapses in on itself,causing a violent expulsion of the surrounding star stuff.From this death, new stars emerge over time, and the cycle begins anew.So There is no real absolute beginning or ending, it is a never ending cycle that perpetuates itself over and over again.So theoretically, there have been many "universes".
Now, we can put the same question to you.WHere did god come from?Who created god?Who created the person who created god?Why did this god abandon us?Why didn't he leave a note, a clue as to his existence?Surely, he's existed for more than the 6000 years the bible spans, so why did it take people so long to write about him?Why didn't he let us know basic things like, the earth is round, the sun is the center of the solar system?
Now, we can put the same question to you.WHere did god come from?Who created god?Who created the person who created god?Why did this god abandon us?Why didn't he leave a note, a clue as to his existence?Surely, he's existed for more than the 6000 years the bible spans, so why did it take people so long to write about him?Why didn't he let us know basic things like, the earth is round, the sun is the center of the solar system?
I was citing zeitgeist because it is an easily identifiable example.However, if you care to research, you'll see that there are many sources which confirm what it says, the origin of the Christ myth is nothing new.
Tronica
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Are you really stupid or just blind?
Read what you've posted.
I said the "universe" was impossible because it is and i still believe in god and the devil.
Something cannot come from nothing,the end.
Therefore the universe cannot exist yet it does making it impossible.
I don't need proof of any kind that there must be an equal and opposing force on either side of the universe,its totally obvious and basic physics.
The only debate is whether they are sentient in their entirety or if they just effect us as people on a daily basis due to the energy that they emit.
As i said before i am not agnostic and you don't read or understand fully before you speak.
disregarded.
zig good stuff. i gotta go but ill check for your answer later.
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