bedspirit
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Unless you live in Florida, your Nader vote didn't mean jack shit
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ChesusRice
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How many votes did Nader get in Florida
How many did Bush win by?
Nader got 97,426 Florida votes in 2000 as a Green Party candidate
Bush won by 543 votes
You do the math
Ndodson79605
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It doesn't matter how we vote anyways. The outcome is already pre-determined by the big bankers. Each puppet they acquire is groomed for some time and then put through the hoops until they are in the power position (a.k.a. Prez). There is no such thing as a vote. It's just a facade that's used to make people think that they're actually part of the program. They're not. Their votes don't mean shit. Noone's vote means shit.
NLXSK1
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And then what do the big bankers do?
What have banks done to fuck you over? And I dont mean charging you overdraft fees.
Banks offer loans, investments, and allow people a safe place to keep their money.
Seriously... It is the government bailing out the banks that has fucked the taxpayers over. Be pissed at the government, not at the banks.
bedspirit
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You gotta slow down and read a post before you respond. I said Unless you live in Florida.
I don't think you live in Florida, so your Nader vote didn't matter.
Ndodson79605
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Au contraire. For it is the big bankers (Rothchilds & Rockeffelers mainly) who have destroyed everything. They printed more money than they had in gold, therefore causing massive inflation. They loaned money to governments that they knew could not be paid back. The recessions? Governments overspending the big bankers' money, and unable to rake in a substantial amount to repay those banks. Then they ask for more money to cover the deficits, leading to more debt. Why do you think the national debt ceiling has been raised more than once? Because nobody is making any money. The big bankers don't care, because they are repaid by using the governments as their own personal puppets. To play out their own agendas, eventually leading up to a utopian oligarchy. And Barry Seotoro (Barack Hussein Obama) is their newest puppet, paving a faster route to this oligarchy, or one world government, if you will.
bedspirit
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Why did those banks need bailing out? Shouldn't we be pissed about the reckless behavior that put us in that position in the first place? I agree that we should have let them fail, but you know that a lot of good people would have been fucked if that would have happened.
And since your pissed about what the tax payers had to pay to bailout those banks, shouldn't you be pissed that the banks drove the housing bubble in the first place which artificially drove up real estate, which cost you more money in property tax? If you were one of the suckers who bought a house during that fiasco, you have been double fucked by the banks. How about the banks that assist rich assholes like Romney in hiding their money from the government so they can avoid paying taxes? That puts us deeper in debt which multiplies over time with interest. How about the inflation caused by QE1 and QE2? The fact that your dollars are worth less today then yesterday (thanks to the banks) doesn't bother you?
That's really just the tip of the iceberg. Don't let our corrupt and shitty government overshadow our corrupt and shitty banks. They both fucking suck and we should be pissed at both.
canndo
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And a vote for Romney is a vote for 20 more years of "this".
Mindmelted
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NLXSK1
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Banks drove the housing bubble because Democrats forced them to offer loans to people who could not pay them back. Barney Frank was at the head of that parade and was promoting Freddie & Fannie a few days before their collapse. But I never hear the Democrats or liberals admit the government had one iota of blame. Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae are government controlled secondary mortgage companies. They wrote the rules and they bought up all the mortgage paper the banks were processing. They are the source of the problem.
Government created the problem, government blocked any solving of the problem as it was happening, and government stole taxpayer money to attempt to fix the problem that they had created.
I really am baffled by the huge number of people that cannot see beyond the light show the government puts on to shield itself from their righteous wrath...
canndo
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Always remember, no one is ever at fault, no one is ever to blame, no one is ever to be dispised except for government. Government is always the problem - and corporations will have you keeping the eye on the wrong ball for as long as they are able to pay billions each year to influence you to believe just that. While the bad old government spends just about... nothing... to have you believe anything else, which is why you believe as you do. You have been purchased
canndo
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This is pattenlty false, but the lie continues CRA was a bit player in the whole fiasco but the right still maintains that it was government in collusion with the poor that caused the problems. Freddy and Fannie didn't bundle the loans.
Again, you have been purchased by the folks with the money to spend in order to own your opinion
canndo
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We agree althor. See? it can happen.
bedspirit
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The government forced them to? You've been a victim of propaganda. No one forced the banks to do anything. You can only be referring to the CRA, which didn't force the banks to do anything. Do you know what the consequences a bank would face for having a low CRA score? It would make it more difficult to merge with another bank. That's it. But it didn't matter. Those banks had kick ass CRA scores, so they can't use that as an excuse. In fact whenever they've been called in front of Congress to justify their actions, they've never brought the CRA up. The only people who bring it up are douchebags like Limbaugh and Hannity.
You're also forgetting that over 50% of the subprime mortgages were not given by institutions regulated by the CRA.
You're right that Fannie and Freddie were leveraged by some ridiculous amount and correct that it was the government that allowed them to do it. But they only accounted for around 30% of the bad loans. What about the other 70%? Also, they only played a small part, they didn't bundle them together and collude with rating agencies and sell them off as AAA investments.
You're baffled? I'm baffled at how easy it is to manipulate people. I've had this same discussion on at least a dozen forums with dudes who either read something, saw something, or heard something from a source with an obvious agenda. If I was on some left wing site, or watching MSNBC, or listening to friggin Alan Colmes, I would probably double check their facts before spewing it all over the place.
I'm also baffled that peoples' rage against the government completely blinds them against every other evil that exists in our society. You're so naive to think that banks are working for the good of humanity and are really just innocent victims in all of this. The banks run the SEC. They are notorious for not prosecuting anybody for anything. They knew about Madoff for a decade before he got busted and he only got busted because he fucking turned himself in! Tell me more about how victimized the banks are.
canndo
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How, exactly has he proven to be a failure?
Mindmelted
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Nothing has gotten better.
And small pockets dont count,those where happening when bush was still in office.
And small pockets dont count,those where happening when bush was still in office.
canndo
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Nothing has gotten better. It is fascinating that on the one hand folks claim that government can't "create" jobs and government shouldn't have anything to do with industry or "free enterprise" they all believe in personal responsibility and self reliance but then they figure that Obama is to blame for all of their trouble. It's all Obama's fault that "nothing has gotten better".