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shnkrmn, + REP,

good post, and it sounds logical and makes sense to me.
Afganastan is not a subject I am very knowledgable about. I did read that the entire economy is backed by small poppy farmers, and would collapse without the poppy trade.
Twenty years ago, the USA was able to persuade a few of Columbian Coca farmers to raise Talapia (fish) instead of coca beans, but that was very few.

I think the USA could of spent that 3 trillon more wisely in this Iraq- Afganstan war. We could of paid them off or bought them cheaper than 3 trillion dollars.

I have been reading up and studying lately how our CIA persuaded and helped Bin laden to build an army of 130,000 to drive out Russia in Afganstan. But he was fighting Russia, not the Taliban. Hell, he was the Taliban. That was back when Bush, both of them, were saying we don't care what one muslim does to another muslim. Yea, right!

Illegal Smile said:

So you're saying the "shadow government" keeps up with the times and like Madison Avenue advertising executives decides, "let's put a black guy in this role?"

Maybe so but it "is" a tad paranoid.

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Well I don't know who does what, but, I would say that common sense would dictate that someone must be gaining great wealth or power from the dis functionality of the world.
Either it becomes more visible as the years pass, or I'm just getting old and cranky. but its cool,

I'm an optimist. I believe the world is evolving in a positive direction but it will have plenty of growing pains along the way. The Islamic world is rubbing against the world around it like a tectonic plate and that will cause a few earthquakes.

manlookingj said:

Well I don't know who does what, but, I would say that common sense would dictate that someone must be gaining great wealth or power from the dis functionality of the world.
Either it becomes more visible as the years pass, or I'm just getting old and cranky. but its cool,

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Someone is feeding and clothing those 3/4 million soldiers over there in Europe, Japan, Korea and the Middle East and making big bucks doing it.

Halliburton gets the largest part of the trade, Tyson ships them chicken
and beef, Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill get a very big piece of the pie, as does Dupot aned Mosanto.

And it is very difficult to make and sell a tank or rifle or army jeep or truck and all those buullets if you don't have a war going.

War is very big bucks, very big. We learned 20 years later that the Lyndon Johnson clan made a fortune shiiping concrete and cement to VietNam. I read many times that we could have give every killed North Viet Cong over $75,000 each to go home, instead of spending the same amount of money killing them one at a time.

How much would we have to give the Taliban and Iraqis each to give up the fighting? THREE TRILLION would go a long way. Two trillion is two million million, so we could have made 2 million people millionaires for what we spent trying to kill a few hundred thousand!

I imagine that's a blip in the revenue stream compared to opium but props to you on making the correct moral choice. I might just go ahead and smoke it

ginjawarrior said:

its not just the heroin all of the squidgy black/ gold seal thats in europe atm comes from the kashmiri region if you look at a whole bar there is a large islamic design (~i cant remember exactly what i says) something along the lines of with allah we will prevail.
its a bugger cause i like a bit of squidgy to smoke but i wont buy it as money goes back to fund the fighting and its our soldiers being killed

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funny pic but its well known that he wanted iraq almost from the moment he stepped into his "office" the terrorism part just made it easier for him

ginjawarrior said:

funny pic but its well known that he wanted iraq almost from the moment he stepped into his "office" the terrorism part just made it easier for him

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for revenge for threatening to kill his daddy!

shnkrmn said:

I imagine that's a blip in the revenue stream compared to opium but props to you on making the correct moral choice. I might just go ahead and smoke it

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lol its a pretty big blip at points the markets been heavily saturated by the black and thats across europe the herb has always had a much bigger market than smack. this is a bit different too as its not from the fields of Afghanistan its allegedly from within the Pakistani borders but within the "rebel" held area

i dunno the armies do need to do something about the drug producers in the 2 countries as it does prolong the fighting. if it was any country supplying this sort of aid then there would be sanctions at the least and invasion happening next becuase cutting off supply lines is very important

ginjawarrior said:

lol its a pretty big blip at points the markets been heavily saturated by the black and thats across europe the herb has always had a much bigger market than smack. this is a bit different too as its not from the fields of Afghanistan its allegedly from within the Pakistani borders but within the "rebel" held area

i dunno the armies do need to do something about the drug producers in the 2 countries as it does prolong the fighting. if it was any country supplying this sort of aid then there would be sanctions at the least and invasion happening next becuase cutting off supply lines is very important

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Interesting post. Virtually ALL of the drug=producing land in Pakistan is within the tribal areas which aren't administered by the central government. So giving farmers incentive to grow other crops is difficult, since they actually owe allegiance to local tribal leaders. Who are all pretty much aligned with whichever power is most likely to preserve their freedom from centralized authority, that power at the moment being al-qaeda.

We can't even give development money to the Pak govt. without causing huge internal political turmoil. They are teetering on the brink of being a failed state.

Imagine if the partition of India had never happened. What a terrible tragedy that was and had it not occurred, a vital balance in the region would not have been upset. Afghanistan would be neighbored by two truly powerful states, Iran and India. The interests of those two countries would have contained its inherently disordered nature.

Here comes WW3... Pakistan becomes more radical -> India freaks out b/c India always freaks out when Pakistan has trouble -> China freaks out b/c China always freaks out when India has trouble... that's several Billion people right there... this will be interesting.

Precisely. India is actually a pretty calm customer when you think about it. They have fought three wars with Pakistan, their military is second only to China's in the continent. They have plenty o nukes and pretty effective delivery vehicles.

Iron Lion Zion said:

Here comes WW3... Pakistan becomes more radical -> India freaks out b/c India always freaks out when Pakistan has trouble -> China freaks out b/c China always freaks out when India has trouble... that's several Billion people right there... this will be interesting.

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Haha nice nuclear delivery vehicle.

Funny thing is that would be the perfect camouflage. The bollywood nuclear launcher.