Obama using kids as human shields...

Canna Sylvan

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I knew when I logged in here the wingnuts would be screaming about the Marxist taking away everyone's guns. Thanks for not disappointing me. Good to see the tinfoil hat brigade is still going strong here.Every society needs idiots to mow lawns, remove trash and staff fast food dumps.No one is taking your guns, you can still buy guns; you'll just have to prove you're not mentally ill. Oh, now I see why you guys are scared...no worries there won't be an IQ test to buy firearms, you're all set fellas.
Reefer madness. Disqualified.
 

NLXSK1

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would adam lanza's mother still be able to purchase and own guns under the new "guidelines"?
The Obama administration has admitted that NONE of the proposals made would have stopped the Connecticut shooting...

Just because the legislation does not address the actual issue does not prevent the politicians from DOING something.. Basically stripping away a good segment of our privacy rights. Buy a couple boxes of bullets and be visited by the BATF to justify your purchase... God Bless Amerika...
 

fdd2blk

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The Obama administration has admitted that NONE of the proposals made would have stopped the Connecticut shooting...

Just because the legislation does not address the actual issue does not prevent the politicians from DOING something.. Basically stripping away a good segment of our privacy rights. Buy a couple boxes of bullets and be visited by the BATF to justify your purchase... God Bless Amerika...
High five!!!!! ;)
 

ink the world

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Nlsx you crack me up, just oozing hypocrisy.
A few months back you ranted about voter ID endlessly. So you support needing an ID to vote but not for buying a firearm?
 

NLXSK1

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Nlsx you crack me up, just oozing hypocrisy.
A few months back you ranted about voter ID endlessly. So you support needing an ID to vote but not for buying a firearm?
You are mixing up apples and banana's...

I dont have a big issue with a background check to purchase a weapon although it would make it damn inconvenient for 2 friends to transact business. However, that has nothing to do with firearm registration where the weapons are tracked from person to person in some federal government database.
 

NLXSK1

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Good!!
Then they can go after all the douchebags buying at gun shows and reselling to criminals.
It does not happen as much as you would imagine. Most of the mass killings are done with legal handguns like Loughner and/or the Connecticut killer. If you can somehow prevent criminals from stealing guns it would be helpful.

I would not be against a 3rd party verification system set up at gun shows to provide background checks. However, private citizens and family members should still be able to sell guns amongst each other without having to have a 3rd party sanction the transaction.

There will always be stolen and illegal guns available to someone who wants them and background checks are never going to fix that.
 

ink the world

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It does not happen as much as you would imagine. Most of the mass killings are done with legal handguns like Loughner and/or the Connecticut killer. If you can somehow prevent criminals from stealing guns it would be helpful.

I would not be against a 3rd party verification system set up at gun shows to provide background checks. However, private citizens and family members should still be able to sell guns amongst each other without having to have a 3rd party sanction the transaction.

There will always be stolen and illegal guns available to someone who wants them and background checks are never going to fix that.
"Corrupt federally licensed gun dealers: Federally licensed gun dealers send more guns to the criminal market than any other single source. Nearly 60% of the guns used in crime are traced back to a small number—just 1.2%—of crooked gun dealers. Corrupt dealers frequently have high numbers of missing guns, in many cases because they’re selling guns “off the books” to private sellers and criminals. In 2005, the ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 “missing” firearms."

Just because it won't eliminate the problem doesn't mean we shouldn't work to reduce the problem
 

NLXSK1

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"Corrupt federally licensed gun dealers: Federally licensed gun dealers send more guns to the criminal market than any other single source. Nearly 60% of the guns used in crime are traced back to a small number—just 1.2%—of crooked gun dealers. Corrupt dealers frequently have high numbers of missing guns, in many cases because they’re selling guns “off the books” to private sellers and criminals. In 2005, the ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 “missing” firearms."

Just because it won't eliminate the problem doesn't mean we shouldn't work to reduce the problem
How many firearms are missing because of the 'Fast and Furious' program?

How you can trust your government because a liberal is in charge is beyond me...
 

canndo

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You are mixing up apples and banana's...

I dont have a big issue with a background check to purchase a weapon although it would make it damn inconvenient for 2 friends to transact business. However, that has nothing to do with firearm registration where the weapons are tracked from person to person in some federal government database.
I don't see the apple and orange dichotomy here. You would do everything in your power to see to it that the minute possiblity of an inelligible voter be prevented from breaking the law through any means possible, perhaps and in all likelyhood inhibiting the citizen's rights in the process and yet you havea grave problem if those same sets of proceedures were enacted with regard to firearms. This is typical of the right in so many areas.
 

ink the world

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How many firearms are missing because of the 'Fast and Furious' program?

How you can trust your government because a liberal is in charge is beyond me...
Lol nice attempt at changing the subject. It's like having a conversation with Glenn Beck on a crack binge
 

NLXSK1

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I don't see the apple and orange dichotomy here. You would do everything in your power to see to it that the minute possiblity of an inelligible voter be prevented from breaking the law through any means possible, perhaps and in all likelyhood inhibiting the citizen's rights in the process and yet you havea grave problem if those same sets of proceedures were enacted with regard to firearms. This is typical of the right in so many areas.
One is like being carded for having a few drinks in a bar.

The second is like having your name, address, social security number and the number of drinks you had tracked and turned into the federal government.

If you cannot see the glaring difference I cant help you.
 

NLXSK1

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Lol nice attempt at changing the subject. It's like having a conversation with Glenn Beck on a crack binge
How is a program that allowed thousands of illegal weapons to get into the hands of criminals different than your assertion that a few bad guys are selling all the guns?
 

ink the world

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It isn't my assertion, it's the ATF's.

Why so opposed to records about firearms purchases?
You profiting from selling guns illegally to gangbangers?

If you aren't committing a crime you have nothing to fear
 

NLXSK1

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It isn't my assertion, it's the ATF's.

Why so opposed to records about firearms purchases?
You profiting from selling guns illegally to gangbangers?

If you aren't committing a crime you have nothing to fear
I have to fear that the information will be made public in some manner and put me in danger.

Are you going to put up a sign proclaiming your house as a gun free zone?
 

ink the world

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Uhmm, no one said that database should be public; or at least I didn't.

If your ownership of guns was to be made public, how in the hell is that akin to advertising your home as a gun free zone. It would be the exact opposite
 

NLXSK1

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Uhmm, no one said that database should be public; or at least I didn't.

If your ownership of guns was to be made public, how in the hell is that akin to advertising your home as a gun free zone. It would be the exact opposite
Do you know whether I own a weapon or not?

The database of gun owners was released for several counties of Connecticut as public information. Why do you think the data will not be hacked once collected by the government? How many people will have access to the data?

The government has no right to know what kind, how many or anything else about the guns I own if I am a legal citizen.
 
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