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Keenly

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tebor said:
Patriot act shits on the Constitution and what America was supposed to stand for.
All politicians that signed it deserve to be tried for treason and punished accordingly(hanging from a tall oak tree with a long hemp rope.)
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maybe hung is going a little far, but publicly shamed and removed from office, possibly even removed from the united states
 
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CrackerJax said:
Just tell me ... or don't you know?
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the pdf is right there... click on it and stop expecting us to do it all for you


its in huge bold letters, so you could read it from the other side of the room, its 3 or 4 pages long, but the text is so big its less than a page if normal font were added


you can do this man, ill hold your hand if you really need me to, but you can read a pdf
 
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CrackerJax said:
That tells me you don't know. You post about things, but U just follow the bouncing ball.
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this is literally ignoring the other side


if your not going to hear us out, why are you still posting in this thread exactly

ive told you this before, but this time, your literally sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the debate
 
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tebor

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So tell me ... what rights has a law abiding citizen lost with the Patriot Act?

Think hard. :roll:
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Where to begin?

And I am not a law abiding citizen. I am a drug user that "supports terrorism" by buying and using drugs. I have no rights.

the New York Times reported incidents of the patriot act being used to investigate alleged potential drug traffickers without probable cause.

The article also mentions a study by Congress that referenced hundreds of cases where the USA PATRIOT Act was used to investigate non-terrorist alleged future crimes.

In November 2005, Business Week reported that the FBI had issued tens of thousands of "National Security Letters" and had obtained one million financial records from the customers of targeted Las Vegas businesses. Selected businesses included casinos, storage warehouses and car rental agencies. An anonymous Justice official claimed that such requests were permitted under section 505 of the USA PATRIOT Act and despite the volume of requests insisted "We are not inclined to ask courts to endorse fishing expeditions".

This didn't just include financial records, but credit records, employment records, and in some cases, health records.
Furthermore, this information is databased and maintained indefinitely by the FBI. Previous legislation required that federal law enforcement destroy any records harvested during an investigation that pertained to anyone deemed innocent. The Patriot Act superseded that and now the records are maintained indefinitely. According to the legislation, they may be "shared with third-parties where appropriate" yet no where in the legislation does it define who these third parties are or what conditions would be deemed appropriate for the sharing of such records.
The large scale wiretapping and tracing of calls to and from foreign countries also falls under this. Millions of phone records were harvested, fed into a database and were searched for patterns of calling to and from numbers of known terrorists. To date, there have been no announced arrests from this program.
Public libraries have been asked to turn over their records for specific terminals. A few have filed suit, because the National Security Letters that they were presented with were very sweeping, demanding information not just on the individual under investigation, but on everyone who had used specific terminals at the libraries during given time windows. Since many of the users in one case were minor children, one library felt that it had an obligation to notify the parents. The FBI has disagreed and the case is now working its way through the court system.




In May 2004, Professor Steve Kurtz of the University at Buffalo reported his wife's death of heart failure. The associate art professor, who works in the biotechnology sector, was using benign bacterial cultures and biological equipment in his work. Police arriving at the scene found the equipment (which had been displayed in museums and galleries throughout Europe and North America) suspicious and notified the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The next day the FBI, Joint Terrorism Task Force, Department of Homeland Security and numerous other law enforcement agencies arrived in HAZMAT gear and cordoned off the block surrounding Kurtz's house, impounding computers, manuscripts, books, and equipment, and detaining Kurtz without charge for 22 hours; the Erie County Health Department condemned the house as a possible "health risk" while the cultures were analyzed. Although it was determined that nothing in the Kurtz's home posed any health or safety risk, the Justice Department sought charges under Section 175 of the US Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act—a law which was expanded by the USA PATRIOT Act. A grand jury rejected those charges, but Kurtz is still charged with federal criminal mail and wire fraud, and faced 20 years in jail before the charges were dropped. Supporters worldwide argue that this is a politically motivated prosecution, akin to those seen during the era of McCarthyism, and legal observers note that it is a precedent-setting case with far-reaching implications involving the criminalization of free speech and expression for artists, scientists, researchers, and others.



and thats just the tip of the iceberg. They are just getting started.
 
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fdd2blk

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Keenly said:
this is literally ignoring the other side


if your not going to hear us out, why are you still posting in this thread exactly

ive told you this before, but this time, your literally sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the debate
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you had to google an answer and yet you still can't come up with one.

off the top of your head, what freedoms have we lost?


notice i have not insulted or taken sides. i stated a fact and asked a question.
 
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fdd2blk said:
you had to google an answer and yet you still can't come up with one.

off the top of your head, what freedoms have we lost?


notice i have not insulted or taken sides. i stated a fact and asked a question.
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Who cares whether he googled it or not? :?:

The point is it takes away rights. Everyone could be labeled a terrorist now. Will we? Probably not... but that's not the point. They shouldn't have the power to begin with.
 
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fdd2blk

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jfgordon1 said:
Who cares whether he googled it or not? :?:

The point is it takes away rights. Everyone could be labeled a terrorist now. Will we? Probably not... but that's not the point. They shouldn't have the power to begin with.
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the point is is he heard someone say "it takes away rights" so he is simply parroting it back out there. he doesn't even understand what it means.
 
tebor

tebor

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Does everyone have me on ignore?:cry:
I'm not that annoying am I?:cry:

I just posted a list of constitutional rights violations that i find very disturbing.
they were all specific incidents.

And here are some general rights violations.

Also Right to a speedy and public trial:
the fact that American citizens can be arrested and held indefinitely without a trial.
^^Violates the 6th amendment

also Right to legal representation:
The government may monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.
^^violates the 6th amendment

also Freedom of speech:
The government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.
^^violates the 1st amendment


also Right to liberty:
Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.
^^violates the 6th amendment

also Freedom of association:
To assist terror investigation, the government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.
^^violates the 1st amendment
 
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fdd2blk said:
you had to google an answer and yet you still can't come up with one.

off the top of your head, what freedoms have we lost?


notice i have not insulted or taken sides. i stated a fact and asked a question.
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i brought it all right to you guys


the thought that because its a pdf file and its not fully typed out on this forum for you that its not good enough is just ridiculous
 
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fdd2blk

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Keenly said:
i brought it all right to you guys


the thought that because its a pdf file and its not fully typed out on this forum for you that its not good enough is just ridiculous
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it would have been cool to understand how YOU felt. that is all i'm trying to say.
 
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tebor

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its not fully typed out on this forum for you that its not good enough is just ridiculous
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I typed out some key issues.
Will somebody that supports the patriot act address them?
 
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