Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

GrowRebel · Feb 12, 2009

Yep ... Jones is definitely a nut base on that reason ... there are so many people that simply can't handle the truth ... it's too much for their mind to handle... they simply can't accept that the government (elite) would kill it's own citizens to push an agenda ... they'd much rather believe a steel frame skyscraper ... something that has never in history happen before or after ... can come crashing straight down in it's own footprint in 15 sec. due to plane crash and fire ... impossible physically ... yet they are willing to accept the impossible than the truth. It makes much more sense to those afraid to face the truth that people in a cave got NORAD to stand down ... that's far more reasonable to them than some high official in the government did it ... They'd rather believe they have been "protected" since 911 rather than no more false flag attacks since then. It doesn't bother me if they choose to put their head in the sand and call those that aren't afraid to see the truth crazy ... that's fine with me ... I rather be crazy than stupid. :eyesmoke:

natrone23 · Feb 12, 2009

your actually crazy and stupid :dunce:

Microdizzey · Feb 12, 2009

GrowRebel said:
Yep ... Jones is definitely a nut base on that reason ... there are so many people that simply can't handle the truth ... it's too much for their mind to handle... they simply can't accept that the government (elite) would kill it's own citizens to push an agenda ... they'd much rather believe a steel frame skyscraper ... something that has never in history happen before or after ... can come crashing straight down in it's own footprint in 15 sec. due to plane crash and fire ... impossible physically ... yet they are willing to accept the impossible than the truth. It makes much more sense to those afraid to face the truth that people in a cave got NORAD to stand down ... that's far more reasonable to them than some high official in the government did it ... They'd rather believe they have been "protected" since 911 rather than no more false flag attacks since then. It doesn't bother me if they choose to put their head in the sand and call those that aren't afraid to see the truth crazy ... that's fine with me ... I rather be crazy than stupid.

Yup. It's not that they don't want to, it's that they CAN'T believe it. It sounds too intense to be real. Too much death, carnage, horror, torture, pain, suffering in movies and TV that people think the scenarios in those movies can't happen. Also, for a long while, we've been living in a safe and secure country, nothing was going wrong on a large scale.

Now as our economy collapses and military is moved into the country, people are starting to wake up. Knowledge is increasing, as well as denial in those who don't want to wake up to reality yet.

As for Alex Jones, shame on anyone who talks trash about him. Look at what that man is doing. He's standing up against the darkness when most are brainwashed to think it doesn't exist. That is absolutely heroic. I know he's extreme, but can you blame him? He knows more information than anybody about the elite and their sick minds. I have my fair share of information, and it's hard for me to live in reality... without wanting to go into denial and be ignorant again....

GrowRebel · Feb 12, 2009

natrone23 said:
your actually crazy and stupid

No where near as stupid as you ... :lol:

GrowRebel · May 31, 2009

Folks there are a couple of groups that are working for a real investigation into 911 ... the people of NY city who have a legal right to force a real investigation
[youtube]TzC3QI8JenU&feature=email[/youtube]
if you are from NYC please go and sign the petition for a real investigation.
... and a group of engineers and architects that have found evidence ... imagine my lack of surprise ... that those building came down with explosives. A local corporate own media station actually had an engineer on making the claim. The station was overwhelmed with thank you email for bring up the issue ... so much so they had to ask people to stop because it was interfering with getting other news. Check it out ...
Mainstream media outlet overwhelmed by "thank you" emails for interview questioning 9/11.
[youtube]oO2yT0uBQbM[/youtube]
After a mainstream TV station in Fresno, California presented a "fair and balanced" interview with Richard Gage of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (http://ae911truth.org), the public (no doubt in shock and awe that this presentation was not subjected to the usual mainstream media self-censorship on 9/11 anomalies and unanswered questions) has overwhelmed the station's email system with thank you emails.
UPDATE: from http://911Truth.org ;
PLEASE NOTE: Although supportive notes to the station are a kind thought, and many of us have now sent them, we have been asked by the KMPH Executive Producer to not send anymore. Apparently, they've been so overwhelmed with 'thank you notes' they're missing other important emails like press releases and news tips, necessary to the continuing excellent production of Great Day. We encourage you to mail a thank you, if you feel compelled to do so, to their street address: KMPH FOX 26, 5111 E. McKinley Ave., Fresno, CA 93727.

Groovy baby ... :hump:

Transcript of Richard Gage explaining controlled demolition on KMPH in Fresno
Is the dam beginning to break?
In this seven minute interview, Richard Gage, an architect for 20 years, is given plenty of time to explain the overwhelming evidence that the World Trade Center buildings were not brought down by the impact of the planes and ordinary office fires. Unlike the derision and condescension that typically greets 9/11 truth activists at mainstream outlets, these two anchors seem genuinely curious and open to the uncomfortable facts proving that explosives were detonated inside the Twin Towers.

Now, before everyone gets excited, remember that this is a FOX News Affiliate, so this broadcast was show only in Fresno, not nation-wide, and from the clock on screen, at 8:41 in the morning when viewership is very low.
This may be a "bone" tossed by FOX to the truth movement so that FOX can now claim to have covered 9-11 honestly and fairly in case things really unwrap down the road.WRH

Here's a longer video presentation from Mr. Gage ...
9/11 Blueprint for Truth presented by Architect Richard Gage, AIA
ENTIRE 2 HR VIDEO: 9/11 Blueprint for Truth presented by Architect Richard Gage, AIA
9/11 Blueprint for Truth: The Architecture of Destruction Commercial architect Richard Gage (founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth) presents a watertight case for controlled demolition of the three steel-building collapses at the World Trade Center, New York on 9/11/01.
Includes physicist Steven Jones' updated evidence of thermite. Gage's website, www.ae911truth.org, is rapidly drawing building and engineering professionals to the 9/11 movement.

Corporate media continues to down play the truth ... in fact they claim people are mentally ill if they don't believe the government ... yeah ... right :roll:

...what is unfortunate for them ... only the bushwhackes believe them. :clap:

US News and World Report 911 hit piece backfires against the Propagandists
U.S. News and World Report ran an article on May 26th entitled“The Inner Worlds of Conspiracy Believers”. The intention was to demonize the truth/freedom movement by implying that anyone who doesn’t believe the official story of 911 or anyone who mistrusts the government all-together is mentally ill. But the real story isn’t the obvious moronic drivel concocted by this yellow-journalistic rag of disinformation, it is the collection of well-informed comments left on their site…. 147 so far, the overwhelming majority of which are critical of the official conspiracy theory and also of this collection of nonsense that tries to pass itself off as news.

Check it ... these are a few questions for the bushwhacked that believe the government's bullshit story about 911 ... since we are nuts then you shouldn't have any problems answering a few questions that concerns most of us so call nuts and tin foil hat peps ...

9/11 - The Basic Questions
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?
3. Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?
5. Why did George H.W. Bush meet bin Laden's brother on 9/11?
6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?
7. Where are the flight recorders?
8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?
10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?
11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?
12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?
13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?
14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?
15. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?
16. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?
17. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?
18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?
19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?
20. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?
21. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center?
22. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th?
23. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?
24. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?
25. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles?
26. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be Xeroxed?
27. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?
28. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?
29. How did a hijackers passport miraculously appear near the WTC? Who found it and what time?
30. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights?
31. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights?
32. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers?

And there are plenty more questions ... about 300 ... where these came from ... you can focus on the ones in bold first ... then the others ... then you can try to dispute Mr. Gage ... but somehow I doubt I will get much response other than the standard "I'm a nut job" it easier for you to do that than dispute the obvious evidence. Watch ... and listen folks ... nothing but crickets ... :neutral:

dirt clean · May 31, 2009

as a high level government official I feel it is my duty to let you all know you are pretty much expendable.

seriously, the other day. . .

GrowRebel · May 31, 2009

dirt clean said:
as a high level government official I feel it is my duty to let you all know you are pretty much expendable. seriously, the other day. . .

Well 911 pretty much proves we are expendable ... the other day... what? :confused:

GrowRebel · Jun 2, 2009

Not one government bullshit believer can answer ANY of the questions I listed ... I wonder why?
911 was indeed an inside job ... no if's and's or but's about it. :evil:

jfgordon1 · Jun 2, 2009

GrowRebel said:
Not one government bullshit believer can answer ANY of the questions I listed ... I wonder why?
911 was indeed an inside job ... no if's and's or but's about it.

Couldn't agree more man. I love how the "war on terrorism" has now transitioned to the war on the citizens. it honestly pisses me off how people enjoy to give up their civil liberties in the name of Safety. It's so ridiculous. If we give government an inch, we give them a mile. that's why we have to stand by our constitution 100%. if not it slowly deteriorates. That's why we can't allow torture, once we start using it on our "enemies" , they will use it on us. Study Nazi Germany people... history repeats itself.

GrowRebel · Jun 4, 2009

jfgordon1 said:
Couldn't agree more man. I love how the "war on terrorism" has now transitioned to the war on the citizens. it honestly pisses me off how people enjoy to give up their civil liberties in the name of Safety. It's so ridiculous. If we give government an inch, we give them a mile. that's why we have to stand by our constitution 100%. if not it slowly deteriorates. That's why we can't allow torture, once we start using it on our "enemies" , they will use it on us. Study Nazi Germany people... history repeats itself.

And notice the bushwhacked :dunce:

at the wheel like Loftiest are what? That's right kids ... no where to be found ... and we all know why don't we ... just can't seem to answer the question ... but that's right ... they don't have to because I'm a loon ... great come back. :-|

what... huh? · Jun 5, 2009

GrowRebel said:
9/11 - The Basic Questions
1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

There are numerous warnings of terrorist attacks every day. This one was just chatter picked up from more than one source, so it made a briefing. There was nothing specific about it... save that it involved the airlines. No date, no plan. The airlines were put on alert. Every jet we have cannot be scrambled in an instant to be anywhere they are needed an instant later. This was out of the blue.

GrowRebel said:
2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?

BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.

Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?

ASHCROFT: ...Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.

ASHCROFT: My wife traveled to Germany and back in August. My wife and I traveled to Washington, D.C., on the 3rd of September before the 17th -- before the 11th attack on commercial aircraft.

I have exclusively traveled on commercial aircraft for my personal travel; continued through the year 2000, through the entirety of the threat period to the nation.

The assessment made by the security team and the Department of Justice was made early in the year. It was not related to a terrorism threat as a threat to the nation. It was related to an assessment of the security for the attorney general, given his responsibilities and the job that he undertakes. And it related to the maintenance of arms and other things by individuals who travel with the attorney general. And it was their assessment that we would be best served to use government aircraft.

These were not private chartered jet aircraft. These were aircraft of the United States government. And it was on such an aircraft that I was on my way to an event in Milwaukee on the morning of September the 11th.
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/20040414_ashcroft.html

GrowRebel said:
4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?

Because we weren't sure what was going on when the first one hit. Details were sketchy... a plane went cowboy and hit a building... it could be an attack...

GrowRebel said:
9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?

He didn't. He is an idiot who misspeaks all the time.

GrowRebel said:
18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?

What does Bill Clinton have to do with this?

GrowRebel said:
19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?

Can you please provide some evidence of this?

GrowRebel said:
20. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?

Policy. That is what happens when you are investigated for mishandling sensitive data.

GrowRebel said:
23. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?

They had been through several dry runs, and like with any plan, if something goes wrong, you move to plan B.

GrowRebel said:
24. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?

They did. I personally know they did as my wife flew 4 of them to their Boston connection. However the lists are readily available if you care to look. What you are blindly copying and pasting concerns a document created by CNN which listed victims names... for obvious reasons the terrorists were excluded. This was not a document they received from the airline, but compiled from their own sources and was in no way complete nor official.

GrowRebel said:
27. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?

They didn't. Feel free to provide evidence that they were coerced. And if the terrorists WEREN'T who they were supposed to be... why force people to use their phones and betray that... and why did nobody betray such?

GrowRebel said:
28. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?

Well, to my knowledge the flight plan was never changed... it was simply not followed.

GrowRebel said:
29. How did a hijackers passport miraculously appear near the WTC? Who found it and what time?

I would expect the police or firefighters who had set up a perimeter around the buildings. Lots of stuff was found on the ground. Shoes. An engine. Purses...

NoDrama · Jun 5, 2009

"I would expect the police or firefighters who had set up a perimeter around the buildings. Lots of stuff was found on the ground. Shoes. An engine. Purses..."

Yep all those items survived the amazingly hot inferno that was able to melt steel and cause buildings to fall. The fire was SOOOOO hot that it caused steel 40 floors below to weaken so much that when it finally "Pancaked" there was no resistance to the structure and it fell with no resistance. I can see an engine, since they have lots of titanium and would need the fires to be in excess of 5000F to burn. Purses? sure maybe from the building occupants.

Watch the video over and over, especially building 7, even the most basically educated person can easily discern that that building was purposely demo'd. If you can't then perhaps the education system failed you and indeed a child was left behind.

what... huh? · Jun 5, 2009

Are you aware that house fires burn hot enough to vaporize bone? Do you know that temperature? Without an accellerant.

We are dealing with two very significant forces. The impact of a relatively delicate but heavy object into a mammoth steel framed object, AND a massive and immediate structure fire that is burning instantly at a minimum of 1300 deg (can't fact check self now, but as mem serves, jet A burns around there.)

That structure fire across several floors immediately widespread and hot, burns and feeds on everything in this building so hot and intensely people choose to plummit to their deaths on the floors above it to escape the agony.

Its fcuking hot. You don't melt steel under those loads before it comes down on itself. It weakens and buckles long before reaching melting point. That doesn't happen till later. The impacts of the floors were colliding with measures so immense I have trouble not viewing them abstractly... And with each impact gaining more weight and momentum.

I am rambling,

2 forces:
Impact (which hurled people stuff throug the building VERY fast. Not much would make it through... The building steel framework would act like a net)

Instant hot structure fire which burned for hours.

I still don't see how -tha gubbament planting precision explosives finding the time to tear into the interior to expose the stresspoints in at least 5 places on 188 floors, then repairing that damage including paint, and nobody noticed- theory holds more water than what we all saw, where the crux, if not whole of your argument is "I wasn't expecting it to fall like that."

jfgordon1 · Jun 5, 2009

the first and only 3 times a steal structure has ever fallen because of heat was on 9/11. fell in their footprint at the rate of gravity.

i'm sorry. 19 people didn't change america by themselves. many live news stations heard "secondary explosions" before it collapsed. ppl were running out of the lobbies with cement dust all over them. wtc 7 fell and it didnt even get hit? i dont think so... there is more to the story than what we've been told.

jfgordon1 · Jun 5, 2009

Jesse Ventura's best interview ( IMO )

[youtube]EFIZwC6z4Kk&NR=1[/youtube]

NoDrama · Jun 5, 2009

Great interview.

what... huh? · Jun 5, 2009

jfgordon1 said:
the first and only 3 times a steal structure has ever fallen because of heat was on 9/11. fell in their footprint at the rate of gravity.

Well, 1 that is simply incorrect. Talk to a fireman. Steel structures melt almost every day in structure fires.

As to falling in its footprint... It is billions of pounds of concrete, thinner metals, etc ON GUIDED STEEL RAILS collapsing onto itself. There has never in the history of man been the destruction of anything so immense. Because you have a hard time wrapping your head around it, and the nature of tragedy on people look to something outlandish to make the more mundane reality less credible so that you can focus your fear on a familiar enemy. Your own government.

jfgordon1 said:
i'm sorry. 19 people didn't change america by themselves. many live news stations heard "secondary explosions" before it collapsed. ppl were running out of the lobbies with cement dust all over them. wtc 7 fell and it didnt even get hit? i dont think so... there is more to the story than what we've been told.

No, 19 didn't. They are leigon.

Then by all means... Show me a news station on the scene which corroborates that. Are you kidding me? News orgs EXIST to expose such a thing, it is how they justify their necessity to the country. Show me the pictures of people fleeing covered in dust (not soot) before the building fell.

I again ask you for a feasible logistical answer to controlled demo prep without ANY of the millions who walked through the doors noticing. Security, maintenance, nobody. Not a peep. It has been more than 7 years and not a whisper.

Riddle me that. I have never in my life asked such an easy debate. I am not asking for facts, evidence, or even logic.

Just a logistically feasible flight of fancy that could even threaten the hope of "possible".

It isn't. Go ahead. Try.

what... huh? · Jun 5, 2009

I bet Bush melted this steel too. Or was it the jews?

Car fire underneath.

GrowRebel · Jun 6, 2009

Wow ... you are really stupid aren't you ... you'd rather disregard science and facts to blow some stupid bullshit out your ass ... well you won't get away with it on this thread I can promise you that. Let's break it down for the folks at home

what... huh? said:
There are numerous warnings of terrorist attacks every day. This one was just chatter picked up from more than one source, so it made a briefing. There was nothing specific about it... save that it involved the airlines. No date, no plan. The airlines were put on alert. Every jet we have cannot be scrambled in an instant to be anywhere they are needed an instant later. This was out of the blue.

Bullshit ... if any plane ... and I mean any plane deviates from it course jets are scramble in minutes ... never in the history before or after 911 have jet not been scramble when a plane leaves it's fight path. And this time 4 planes in secure air space? Please. What do you take us for? It's obvious by the other posters they don't buy your bullshit either.
Folks those jet were told to stand down ... and it wasn't by some so called terrorist in a cave ...
The 9/11 USAF Stand Down
The map below details the 9/11 planes' flightpaths and some of the military bases in those areas. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/911-flightpaths-bases.htm The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country.
So much for your "out of the blue" bullshit ...

what... huh? said:
BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.

You quote the testimony of Ashcroft in from of the phony 911 commission where people didn't have to testify under oath ... you expect us to believe what he said? Get real.

what... huh? said:
Because we weren't sure what was going on when the first one hit. Details were sketchy... a plane went cowboy and hit a building... it could be an attack...

The Dog That Did Not Bark
Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicized photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.
Details were sketchy ... yeah ... right. :roll:

what... huh? said:
He didn't. He is an idiot who misspeaks all the time.

No he didn't misspeak ... he gave away the plan.

what... huh? said:
What does Bill Clinton have to do with this?

If he had the FBI close the files ... plenty ...

what... huh? said:
Can you please provide some evidence of this?

So far I have only been able to find the question ... when I have the time I'll investigate further ...if nothing can be found this question will have to be retracted.

what... huh? said:
Policy. That is what happens when you are investigated for mishandling sensitive data.

So why wasn't he replaced? Why was the investigation stopped?

what... huh? said:
They had been through several dry runs, and like with any plan, if something goes wrong, you move to plan B.

This is possible ... but the fact that some of the so called hijackers are still alive (see below) indicates this is not probable.

what... huh? said:
They did. I personally know they did as my wife flew 4 of them to their Boston connection. However the lists are readily available if you care to look. What you are blindly copying and pasting concerns a document created by CNN which listed victims names... for obvious reasons the terrorists were excluded. This was not a document they received from the airline, but compiled from their own sources and was in no way complete nor official.

Oh the list are readily available ... yet you didn't "blindly" copy and paste something readily available to back your bullshit ... I wonder why? Put up or stfu on this one
And what about this?
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive

what... huh? said:
They didn't. Feel free to provide evidence that they were coerced. And if the terrorists WEREN'T who they were supposed to be... why force people to use their phones and betray that... and why did nobody betray such?

I have a problem with this question ... I would think people would want to call loved ones ... put the problem is it's impossible to use a cell phone So the big question is if they did make these phone calls how were they able to do so at 35000 feet?

what... huh? said:
Well, to my knowledge the flight plan was never changed... it was simply not followed.

Your knowledge? And what evidence do you have to back your knowledge? Of course the flight plan changed! When they deviated to those buildings! Get real :sleep:

what... huh? said:
I would expect the police or firefighters who had set up a perimeter around the buildings. Lots of stuff was found on the ground. Shoes. An engine. Purses...

Shoes ... engine ... purses ... source?

what... huh? said:
Are you aware that house fires burn hot enough to vaporize bone? Do you know that temperature? Without an accellerant.

What complete and total bullshit ... the average house fire is between 800 and 1200 degrees and it takes 1600 degrees to vaporize bone ...

what... huh? said:
We are dealing with two very significant forces. The impact of a relatively delicate but heavy object into a mammoth steel framed object, AND a massive and immediate structure fire that is burning instantly at a minimum of 1300 deg (can't fact check self now, but as mem serves, jet A burns around there.)

Again you're blowing it out your ass ... those buildings according the Richard Gage and other architects like him state those building were design to withstand what happen. "delicate but heavy object" Bwaa ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ha .. The melting point for steel is 2700 degrees! So those fires weren't nearly hot enough ... so much for your bullshit.

what... huh? said:
That structure fire across several floors immediately widespread and hot, burns and feeds on everything in this building so hot and intensely people choose to plummit to their deaths on the floors above it to escape the agony.

Duh ... it doesn't take much temperature to make someone want to get away from it in a hurry ... :dunce:

what... huh? said:
Its fcuking hot. You don't melt steel under those loads before it comes down on itself. It weakens and buckles long before reaching melting point. That doesn't happen till later. The impacts of the floors were colliding with measures so immense I have trouble not viewing them abstractly... And with each impact gaining more weight and momentum.

Total bullshit and defies the laws of physics and how those buildings were design.

what... huh? said:
I am rambling,

No you are babbling and blowing it out your ass ...

what... huh? said:
2 forces:
Impact (which hurled people stuff throug the building VERY fast. Not much would make it through... The building steel framework would act like a net)

Yeah ... right ... :lol:

what... huh? said:
Instant hot structure fire which burned for hours.

Wrong again ... the building only burn from 8:45 to 10:28 according to the
"Official"911 Time linebefore it collapse in it's own footprint in less than 15 sec. which is impossible without help. Skyscrapers like them have burn longer in the pass that still stand and are used today ... go back to around page 17 ... I have a list of buildings that are still standing that burned way longer than those towers. How the hell do you explain that?

what... huh? said:
I still don't see how -tha gubbament planting precision explosives finding the time to tear into the interior to expose the stresspoints in at least 5 places on 188 floors, then repairing that damage including paint, and nobody noticed- theory holds more water than what we all saw, where the crux, if not whole of your argument is "I wasn't expecting it to fall like that."

It's called construction work ... ever seen it? Workers come in do there thing under the guise of "construction work" ... plant the thermanite ... no one is the wiser ... "I wasn't expecting it to fall like that"? ... no ... the law of physics wasn't expecting it to fall like that.
You are pretty stupid with all the facts of the evidence presented to post such ridiculous and stupid comments. :spew:

what... huh? said:
Well, 1 that is simply incorrect. Talk to a fireman. Steel structures melt almost every day in structure fires.

Bwaa ha ha ... steel structures melt everyday? Bullshit! Steel structures are sprayed with fireproofing material! Wrong again ... I have video posted in this thread ... around page 19 or so ... of firemen stating that they heard explosions right before the building collapes ...

what... huh? said:
As to falling in its footprint... It is billions of pounds of concrete, thinner metals, etc ON GUIDED STEEL RAILS collapsing onto itself. There has never in the history of man been the destruction of anything so immense. Because you have a hard time wrapping your head around it, and the nature of tragedy on people look to something outlandish to make the more mundane reality less credible so that you can focus your fear on a familiar enemy. Your own government.

Once again total bullshit ... it has already been established that these building do not collapse in 15 sec with out help ... what part of that can't YOU rap you head ... if you have one ... around the obvious.

The only thing "outlandish" is your bullshit explainations. :dunce:

what... huh? said:
No, 19 didn't. They are leigon.

Say who? The parts of the government that has been caught in lies time and time again?

what... huh? said:
Then by all means... Show me a news station on the scene which corroborates that. Are you kidding me? News orgs EXIST to expose such a thing, it is how they justify their necessity to the country. Show me the pictures of people fleeing covered in dust (not soot) before the building fell.

9\11 WTC Demolition - Investigate
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Come back when you are better educated so you don't look so stupid. Don't think for one mintue you can come to this thread blowing shit out your ass without being challeged ... and slapped down on many statement ... the neocons may be able to get away with the lies on corporate news ... but you won't be able to here ... that's for damn sure :clap:

what... huh? · Jun 6, 2009

GrowRebel said:
Wow ... you are really stupid aren't you ... you'd rather disregard science and facts to blow some stupid bullshit out your ass ... well you won't get away with it on this thread I can promise you that. Let's break it down for the folks at home

You certainly are an easily frustrated little box person aren'tcha? I am debating the science, and your "facts". You are all red faced and spitting on your keyboard. Not necessary. I am new here, and don't want to start flaming yet... because I am an awful person and would like to stick around a while to give some understanding of how I work. Most of what you parrot is completely contrived. You state presumptions about circumstances you do not understand, and apply simple logic to the solution. Here... I will show you...

GrowRebel said:
Bullshit ... if any plane ... and I mean any plane deviates from it course jets are scramble in minutes ... never in the history before or after 911 have jet not been scramble when a plane leaves it's fight path. And this time 4 planes in secure air space?

Here you are just incorrect. Unless you are in "restricted" air space, such as over the whitehouse. There is no such thing as "secure" air space, and none of the planes were in restricted airspace. The procedure, for the record, when a plane goes off course, we usually don't know about it, because radar is not tracking planes most of the time (being ground based 50s technology). It is called "uncontrolled space".

Typically if a jet goes off course and does not squalk within 5 minutes they pick up the "red phone". Already you are 20 minutes into just getting them into the air, much less approaching their target.

At 8:40 NORAD gets a call from the FAA about flight 11.

At 8:43 they get one about 175

At 8:45 11 slams tower 1.

At 8:46 we get birds in the air from Falmouth MA (350 mi)

At 9:03 175 hits tower 2.

At 9:22 NORAD gets the call on flight 77.

It generally takes about 15 minutes to scramble a jet from order to throttle.

It was unexpected, and our state of readiness was not as good as it could have been... but even if it was... it would have made no difference.

GrowRebel said:
Please. What do you take us for? It's obvious by the other posters they don't buy your bullshit either.
Folks those jet were told to stand down ... and it wasn't by some so called terrorist in a cave ...

Seriously... how do you keep the foil from chaffing? Seems like the sound alone of it on my head would drive me nuts.

Who is it exactly that you claim to represent? Who exactly do you think I do?

GrowRebel said:
The 9/11 USAF Stand Down
The map below details the 9/11 planes' flightpaths and some of the military bases in those areas. The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country.
So much for your "out of the blue" bullshit ...

You do realize that every base doesn't have jets and pilots waiting at the ready to jump into "pew pew pew got'em" battle right? Most highly militarized parts of the country? They went from boston to New York (215 mi) Falmouth is closer to boston, Andrews is closer to NY.

GrowRebel said:
You quote the testimony of Ashcroft in from of the phony 911 commission where people didn't have to testify under oath ... you expect us to believe what he said? Get real.

I expect you to disprove my evidence or STFU... frankly.

"Nuh uh" is not a acceptable defense.

GrowRebel said:
The Dog That Did Not Bark

GrowRebel said:
Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicized photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.
Details were sketchy ... yeah ... right.

What is this meant to demonstrate exactly?

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11secretservice.html?q=9-11secretservice.html

GrowRebel said:
No he didn't misspeak ... he gave away the plan.

lol.

GrowRebel said:
If he had the FBI close the files ... plenty ...

So the conspiracy widens... awesome.

GrowRebel said:
So far I have only been able to find the question ... when I have the time I'll investigate further ...if nothing can be found this question will have to be retracted.

GrowRebel said:

Oh the list are readily available ... yet you didn't "blindly" copy and paste something readily available to back your bullshit ... I wonder why? Put up or stfu on this one
And what about this?
At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive

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So... it is your contention that our intelligence is too stupid to kill the people who are supposed to have died in this phony attack? Seriously? That makes sense to you? Kill 3000+ citizens and ruin our economy... but let the scapegoats run free in morocco or wherever... You really are awesome.

Ok... but this is the last time I do your research for you. Now quit regurgitating the lies you KNOW are false. It is intellectually dishonest. THIS is what a flight manifest looks like.

GrowRebel said:

I have a problem with this question ... I would think people would want to call loved ones ... put the problem is it's impossible to use a cell phone So the big question is if they did make these phone calls how were they able to do so at 35000 feet?

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Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. It is damned near impossible to stay connected for more than a couple of minutes because you pass the towers faster than the service can switch... but they work just fine until the drop. Also, the planes were nowhere near 35k feet. They were flying low in order to obfuscate radar.

GrowRebel said:

Your knowledge? And what evidence do you have to back your knowledge? Of course the flight plan changed! When they deviated to those buildings! Get real

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A fligh plan is what pilots file with the FAA before takeoff. The flight plan was not changed mid flight, they simply deviated from the course. Attah didn't radio in a flight plan change.

GrowRebel said:

Shoes ... engine ... purses ... source?

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You weren't watching the news live that day I guess.

GrowRebel said:

What complete and total bullshit ... the average house fire is between 800 and 1200 degrees and it takes 1600 degrees to vaporize bone ...

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http://books.google.com/books?id=JdtgE0eHTL4C&pg=PT268&lpg=PT268&dq=house+fire+incinerate+bone&source=bl&ots=TcicpZMSp6&sig=gtYG8wOym-020qlg560FyFwxfHQ&hl=en&ei=av8qSo2DBaGyyQXJh5nnCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

Great... glad we are all on the same page now.

GrowRebel said:

Again you're blowing it out your ass ... those buildings according the Richard Gage and other architects like him state those building were design to withstand what happen. "delicate but heavy object" Bwaa ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ha .. The melting point for steel is 2700 degrees! So those fires weren't nearly hot enough ... so much for your bullshit.

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For I believe the 3rd time now... the steel does not have to melt, to weaken/bend. When you say steel melts at 2700, you are unaware that you are referring to the melting point of steel... the point when it becomes liquid.

GrowRebel said:

Duh ... it doesn't take much temperature to make someone want to get away from it in a hurry ...

Total bullshit and defies the laws of physics and how those buildings were design.

No you are babbling and blowing it out your ass ...

Yeah ... right ...

Wrong again ... the building only burn from 8:45 to 10:28 according to the
"Official"911 Time linebefore it collapse in it's own footprint in less than 15 sec. which is impossible without help. Skyscrapers like them have burn longer in the pass that still stand and are used today ... go back to around page 17 ... I have a list of buildings that are still standing that burned way longer than those towers. How the hell do you explain that?

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Burned ignited by Jet A after suffering the impact of tons?

GrowRebel said:

It's called construction work ... ever seen it? Workers come in do there thing under the guise of "construction work" ... plant the thermanite ... no one is the wiser ... "I wasn't expecting it to fall like that"? ... no ... the law of physics wasn't expecting it to fall like that.
You are pretty stupid with all the facts of the evidence presented to post such ridiculous and stupid comments.

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What law would that be? Just curious.

GrowRebel said:

Bwaa ha ha ... steel structures melt everyday? Bullshit! Steel structures are sprayed with fireproofing material! Wrong again ... I have video posted in this thread ... around page 19 or so ... of firemen stating that they heard explosions right before the building collapes ...

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So you explain that bridge how? I mean... cmon... I gave you a well documented case. How much twisted melty steel do I have to find before you accept that you have no understanding whatsoever of physics, metalergy, or thermodynamics.

GrowRebel said:

Once again total bullshit ... it has already been established that these building do not collapse in 15 sec with out help ... what part of that can't YOU rap you head ... if you have one ... around the obvious.

The only thing "outlandish" is your bullshit explainations.

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So... these buildings fall slower? Sweet. Got a link to a video of one?

oh... thats right... THEY ARE THE ONLY TWO IN HISTORY.

GrowRebel said:

9\11 WTC Demolition - Investigate
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Come back when you are better educated so you don't look so stupid. Don't think for one mintue you can come to this thread blowing shit out your ass without being challeged ... and slapped down on many statement ... the neocons may be able to get away with the lies on corporate news ... but you won't be able to here ... that's for damn sure

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I am here to challenge the shit blowing... not the other way around.

Keep skipping the things you cant answer and move on to new ones...

btw

I am still waiting for a rational logistical solution. I notice you skipped that.

Ps... You can be civil. Just because I dont agree with you, and frankly think you are a loon, doesn't mean you have to be nasty.

Like I said. I will try nice as long as it works. Then I am going to hurt your feelings and you will be sad... so try being civil.

Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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