Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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Joel S. Hirschhorn
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August 11, 2009

As we approach the eighth anniversary of 9/11 consider this paradox. In the post 9-11 years the scientific evidence for disbelieving the official government story has mounted incredibly. And the number of highly respected and credentialed professionals challenging the official story has similarly expanded.

Yet, to the considerable disappointment of the international 9/11 truth movement, the objective fact is that there are no widespread, loud demands for a new government-backed 9/11 investigation.

The 9/11 truth movement is the epitome of a marginalized movement, one that never goes away despite not achieving truly meaningful results, which in this case means replacing official lies with official truth. What has gone wrong?


Akin to the definition of insanity, the hallmark of entrenched but marginalized movements is that they continue to pursue exactly the same strategy and tactics that have failed to produce solid results.

They indulge themselves with self-delusion, defensive thinking and acting as if the world at large must surely and finally wake up, see the light and embrace the Truth. Years and, potentially, decades go by, but this quixotic status quo remains embedded, as if set in intellectual concrete.

There is no brain tumor to blame. Nor any mass hypnosis of true believers to prove. There is just monumental disinterest among the dominant culture, political establishment and the broad public that is far more engaged with other issues, problems and movements.

The 9/11 truth movement, at best, gets meager public attention when it is derided and insulted, used as an example of persistent conspiratorial insanity.

Make no mistake; I concluded a few years back, after using my professional engineering and materials science background to study the evidence, that the official government story is a lie.

As a former full professor of engineering, I firmly believe that elements of the US government were involved with contributing to (not just allowing) the 9/11 tragedy, but that does not necessarily eliminate the role of those terrorists publicly blamed for the events. Science, logic, evidence and critical thinking told me this.

Who should we blame for the failure of the 9/11 truth movement to fix the historical record and, better yet, identify those in the government who turned 9/11 into an excuse for going to war, getting them indicted, prosecuted, and punished for their murderous acts?

It is too easy to blame the mainstream media and political establishment for refusing to demand and pursue a truly comprehensive and credible independent scientific and engineering investigation.

President Obama with his tenacious belief in looking forward, not backward, exemplifies a national mindset to avoid the painful search for truth and justice that could produce still more public disillusionment with government and feed the belief that American democracy is weak at best, and delusional at worst.

Marginalized movements always face competition for public attention. There are always countless national issues and problems that feed new movements and distract the public. There have been many since 9/11, not the least of which was the last presidential campaign and then the painful economic recession, and now the right wing attacks on health care reform.

The 9/11 truth movement illustrates a total failure to compete successfully with other events and movements. This can be explained in several ways. The 9/11 movement has not been able to articulate enough benefits to the public from disbelieving the official government story and pursuing a new investigation.

What might ordinary Americans gain? Would proof-positive of government involvement make them feel better, more secure, and more patriotic? Apparently not.

In fact, just the opposite. By its very nature, the 9/11 issue threatens many things by discovering the truth: still less confidence in the US political system, government and public officials. Still more reason to ponder the incredible loss of life and national wealth in pursuing the Iraq war. In other words, revealing 9/11 truth offers the specter of a huge national bummer.

Conversely, it would show the world that American democracy has integrity.
The second explanation for failure is that the truth movement itself is greatly to blame.

It has been filled with nerdish, ego-centric and self-serving activists (often most interested in pushing their pet theory) unable to pursue strategies designed to face and overcome ugly, challenging realities. The truth movement became a cottage industry providing income and meaning for many individuals and groups feeding the committed with endless websites, public talks, videos, books and paraphernalia. They habitually preach to the choir. Applause substitutes for solid results.

In particular, it embraces the simplistic (and obviously ineffective) belief that by revealing technical, scientific and engineering facts and evidence the public and political establishment would be compelled to see the light. Darkness has prevailed.

Proof of this are the views expressed days ago on the truth movement by Ben Cohen on the Huffington Post:

“I have done some research on the topic, but stopped fairly quickly into when it dawned on me that:
1. Any alternative to the official account of what happened is so absurd it simply cannot be true.
2. No reputable scientific journal has ever taken any of the ’science’ of the conspiracy seriously.
3. The evidence supporting the official story is overwhelming, whereas the 9/11 Truthers have yet to produce a shred of concrete evidence that members of the U.S. government planned the attacks in New York and Washington .”

Similarly, in the London Times James Bone recently said a “gruesome assortment of conspiracy theorists insists that the attacks on the US of September 11, 2001 were an inside job. It is easy to mock this deluded gang of ageing hippies, anarchists and anti-Semites.” Truthers continue to face a very steep uphill battle.

A common lie about the truth movement is that there have been no credible scientific articles in peer reviewed journals supporting it. But those opposing the truth movement will and do find ways to attack whatever scientific evidence is produced and published. It takes more than good science and facts for the movement to succeed.

Besides the movement having too many genuine crackpots (possibly trying to subvert it), a larger problem is what has been missing from it: effective political strategies.

Besides pushing scientific results and more credible supporters, it did nothing successful to make a new 9/11 investigation a visible issue in the last presidential campaign. It did nothing effective to put pressure on a new, Democrat controlled congress to consider legislation providing the authorization and funding for a new, credible investigation. It seems that people who want to blame the government are often unable to also see the political path forward that requires the government to fund a new investigation.

To its credit, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth does have a petition aimed at Congress, demanding a new investigation, but has fewer than 5,000 signers. The petition effort in New York City to get a new investigation is commendable, with just under 75,000 signers, but national action is needed.

Pragmatically, both efforts are unimpressive compared to other campaigns seeking political action. To get both media attention and political support the movement needs a hundred times more documented supporters, willing to do a lot more than sign a petition.

The tenth anniversary of 9/11 will come fast. The opportunity is making 9/11 an issue in the 2012 presidential campaign. The least delusional and defensive in the truth movement should think deeply and seriously on what needs to change to accomplish the prime goal: having an official investigation that compels most people and history to accept the truth, no matter how painful it is, including the possibility that it finds no compelling evidence for government involvement.
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fdd2blk

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You know Fdd ... I'm getting real tired of you making these FALSE claims and accusations against me! How dare you state I've been TROLLING when all I've been doing it putting up scientific FACTS, professional opinions, and creditable witnesses to back my opinion and claims. What have you done besides try and BULLY me with your little pictures and insults!
You what me to answer the dummy's question ... alright we don't know who is behind it. That's why we want a REAL INVESTIGATION. You seem to have a big problem with that. Fine. But don't use some bullshit excuse to close a thread YOU DON'T LIKE!
You want to close this thread ... then close it ... but we will know it's due to nothing more than YOUR own prejudice!:finger:
and the fact that you can't debate without throwing insults.


bullied you? wtf ever. :roll:

wanna play politics?


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GrowRebel

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and the fact that you can't debate without throwing insults.
You mean like you? :roll:


bullied you? wtf ever.
Oh yeah ... every time I try to post something you jump in my shit ... I don't see you doing it to people that insult me. I don't see you saying no throwing insults to the deniers. No it's just me.

wanna play politics?
You?

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Golly gee ... I'm being monitor ... I'm really scared now. I'll be monitoring you too buddy boy ... to see if the rules applies to everyone or just the people you pick out.

personal attacks and insults will get it closed.
..and will you close it when YOU start the personal attacks(like your little troll picture) or are you above the rules?

it's the rules you all agreed to. thank you for playing.

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What did the Barney Frank video have to do with this discussion? ... already breaking your own rules I see. Quite a double standard.

I didn't realize Barney Frank had anything to do with 9-11.
You notice that too. Looks like it's okay for FDD to break the rules, and the people that agree with him. But if it's any of us ... well then ...he's have to close the thread!
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Keenly thanks for posting that ... I'm sure FDD will accuse you of trolling and spamming ... but thanks just the same. He can close this thread, but he can't stop the debate or the people that want a real investigation.:clap:
 

GrowRebel

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http://www.911blogger.com/node/20920Damn 9/11 Truthers won't go away, so Nat Geo prepares another hit piece on 9/11 Truth movement?
National Geographic has announced it will air a documentary with the title: 911 Science and Conspiracy.
Title of the announcement:
Official Version or Cover-Up Conspiracy? The Truth Behind 9/11 Put to the Test in New National Geographic Channel Program.

Based on the comments about it at the announcement website here: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/...
it doesn't look like it will be very fair.

It's pretty obvious they are worried ... that's why the hit pieces are coming out.
 

GrowRebel

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http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/incarcerated-in-a-psychiatric-ward-because-i-said-911-was-an-inside-job/Held In A Psychiatric Ward & Called “Delusional” For Saying 9/11 Was An Inside Job
Clare Swinney brought a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority pointing out that TVNZ’s claim that Osama bin Laden carried out the attacks of 9/11 was an outright lie. Shortly afterwards, she was threatened and then incarcerated in a psychiatric ward. Following a week of compulsory treatment, the head psychiatrist told a judge that she should remain in hospital, as her belief that 9/11 was an inside job was evidence she was “delusional.” The judge agreed. This is her extraordinary story:
 

wyteboi

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@ the real spammers................. PLEASE i am asking nicely for you guys to STOP spamming this thread. If you dont agree to somthing then argue it (dont fight it) So far we got a small group of folks here that all believe the same thing ...we need a real investigation ...... thats all nothin more nothin less. And then we have What..huh , who is against our believes but LEGITIMATELY comes up with usefull info to argue his/her point. Thats all fine.............but then we have SPAMMERS like warlord who is constantly tryin to find ways to piss others off, and always talkin aliens and shit......and i am not just callin out warlord cause there are other spammers too. (no offence to anyone!) So can we just please go on with the topic (9/11)
If someone believes that bill clinton caused all this then lets argue it.......lets NOT just sit here and talk about his cigars and his wife. THANK YOU ALL AN GOD BLESS.
bongsmilie please folks this is an important topic!
 

The Warlord

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The point I am trying to make is that it's more likely aliens than the over complicated convoluted fantasy world you guys are living in. This whole thead is a fantasy.
 

GrowRebel

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The point I am trying to make is that it's more likely aliens than the over complicated convoluted fantasy world you guys are living in. This whole thead is a fantasy.
Yeah you keep saying that ... but you have yet to show us why. Why is it more likely aliens? It's only complicated and convoluted to the people that can't handle the truth ... even a real investigation is something you can't seem to handle. The only thing you seem to be able to do is gloat and poke fun. You have no educated opinion on the matter. You can't accept the truth so you give us these knee-jerk reactions and :dunce: comments. It's all you are capable of doing. Since you can't offer an intelligent rebuttal ... so you act like a child and poke fun. That's the absolute best you can do. WH is the only one that at least makes an attempt. A poor one ... but one none the less. Come back when you are more educated on the issue. It's obvious you don't have a clue.:sleep:
Folks want to bet he will come back still uneducated to poke more fun ... watch now.:-o
 

West Coast Medicine

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So we just allow those responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands to get away with murder? Is that what you are suggesting? Letting them know that we know would make them extremely nervous. They already are with all the disinformation they are putting out now.
Number one, who are "they"? If you know, please divulge. Without knowing who "they" are, or letting them know that we know who "they" are, we can't make "them" nervous, can we? Number two, without knowing who "they" are, we may well be talking about the entire United States government entity. If this is the case, how many lives would be lost to the civil war that ensues from factioning states? Would there be a full civil war, or would there be as much opposition against the sitting DC government to allow a coup d'etat? Unless this is the case, I can guarantee that we will be facing martial law, but under whose command will it be imposed? Who will know who is in control? Will you know if the Army battallions rolling through your neighborhood are friendly or enemy? Will said armies even know who the enemy is? How many states will be responsible for how many murders then? The reason that the majority of American's are acceptant of our governments explanation of what happened on 9/11/01 is because they are smart enough to know that if what you say what happened is true, they don't want to know and they would much rather continue life as it is. In the other scenario, if only a few of "them" were responsible, then how we identify "them"? Are "they" powerful? Who do we ask who "they" are?
 

wyteboi

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Number one, who are "they"? If you know, please divulge. Without knowing who "they" are, or letting them know that we know who "they" are, we can't make "them" nervous, can we? Number two, without knowing who "they" are, we may well be talking about the entire United States government entity. If this is the case, how many lives would be lost to the civil war that ensues from factioning states? Would there be a full civil war, or would there be as much opposition against the sitting DC government to allow a coup d'etat? Unless this is the case, I can guarantee that we will be facing martial law, but under whose command will it be imposed? Who will know who is in control? Will you know if the Army battallions rolling through your neighborhood are friendly or enemy? Will said armies even know who the enemy is? How many states will be responsible for how many murders then? The reason that the majority of American's are acceptant of our governments explanation of what happened on 9/11/01 is because they are smart enough to know that if what you say what happened is true, they don't want to know and they would much rather continue life as it is. In the other scenario, if only a few of "them" were responsible, then how we identify "them"? Are "they" powerful? Who do we ask who "they" are?

"They" are whoever was in charge of 9/11 and yes they are very powerfull. and why bring up the civil war ? that has nothing to do with lives lost on 9/11 . Them structures were not brought down by planes nor fire....just plain AND simply impossible. WHAT happened to the undamaged steel ? No one has answered that one yet...? So i dont need to sit here and even try to explain "they" I dont know who they are but I do know without a REAL investigation by THE AMERICAN GOV. none of us will ever know "WHO" killed all those folks on that day........... I care do you?

and i am just a normal person , i barley know what conspiricy means, but my mama gave me enough common sense to not believe that the buildings just fell with no resistance. 1 Thing that has never happened in history happened THREE times in one day !??! :o i will just NEVER believe that sorry.
 

West Coast Medicine

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"They" are whoever was in charge of 9/11 and yes they are very powerfull. and why bring up the civil war ? that has nothing to do with lives lost on 9/11 . Them structures were not brought down by planes nor fire....just plain AND simply impossible. WHAT happened to the undamaged steel ? No one has answered that one yet...? So i dont need to sit here and even try to explain "they" I dont know who they are but I do know without a REAL investigation by THE AMERICAN GOV. none of us will ever know "WHO" killed all those folks on that day........... I care do you?


I don't know about fire because I'm not an engineer, nor are you. I am assuming that it was an inside job for purposes of discussion, and do not need to be convinced otherwise. Unless the "undamaged steel" tells us who "they" are, it is not relative to our discussion. You say you want a real investigation by the government, but you KNOW the government won't help you. Next, I never said anything about THE civil war, but the civil war that may "ensue" (result) from a conflict of interest between "they" and the American people. Until anybody knows if "they" are more or less powerful than the American public, we cannot assure there will not be a civil war over this issue. If our government was willing to tell us any pertinant information on 9/11/01, they would have by now, and no investigation now will result in finding any perpetrators or in pressuring any government officials to change their story of what happened (if that is the case). Simply, the U.S. government will not help investigate anything further on what happened on 9/11/01, there has already been a commission assembled and their report made!!!!! I dropped out of college to join the Marines to kill that S.O.B. Bin Laden that supposedly attacked our country, so did all my friends, good friends, and they are fighting and dying in Afghanistan every day for every drop of blood spilled on 9/11/01, so don't give me shit about "do I care," and if Bin Laden didn't do it I want to know who did, and if the government won't help, it's up to the American People to find out.
 

wyteboi

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WASHINGTON – Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge says pressure from fellow Cabinet members to raise the nation's terror alert level just before the 2004 presidential election helped convince him it was time to quit working for President George W. Bush.
In a new book, Ridge says that despite the urgings of former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Attorney General John Ashcroft he objected to raising the security level, according to a publicity release from the book's publisher.
In the end the alert level was not changed.
Bush's former homeland security adviser, Frances Townsend, said Thursday that politics never played a role in determining alert levels.
Two tapes were released by al-Qaida in the weeks leading up to the election — one by terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and the other by a man calling himself "Azzam the American." Terrorism experts suspected that "Azzam the American" was Adam Gadahn, a 26-year-old Californian whom the FBI had been urgently seeking.
Townsend said the videotapes contained "very graphic" and "threatening" messages.
Ridge's publicist, Joe Rinaldi, said Ridge was out of town and was not doing interviews until his book, "The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege ... and How We Can Be Safe Again," is released on Sept. 1.
In 2004, Ridge explained why he didn't feel the alert should be raised. "We don't have to go to (code level) orange to take action in response either to these tapes or just general action to improve security around the country," he said then.
In 2005, months after he resigned, Ridge said his agency has been the most reluctant to raise the alert level. "There were times when some people were really aggressive about raising it, and we said, 'For that?'" he said during a panel discussion in May 2005. But his book appears to be the first time he publicly attributes some of the pressure to politics.
The Homeland Security Department, which Ridge was the first person to lead, faced criticism in 2004 from Democrats who alleged that raising the alert level was designed to boost support for the Bush administration during an election year.
Ridge, who resigned on Nov. 30, 2004, said the episode convinced him to follow through with his plans to leave the Bush administration.
Townsend said that anytime there was a discussion of changing the alert level, she first spoke with Ridge and then, if necessary, called a meeting of the homeland security council comprising the secretaries of defense and homeland security, the attorney general and CIA and FBI directors. The group then made a recommendation to the president about whether the color-coded threat level should be raised.
"Never were politics ever discussed in this context in my presence," she said.
Asked if there was any reason for Ridge to have felt pressured, Townsend said: "He was certainly not pressured. And, by the way, he didn't object when it was raised and he certainly didn't object when it wasn't raised."
A former Republican congressman and governor of Pennsylvania, Ridge was widely named as a potential running mate to John McCain in 2008 before the GOP candidate chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.


sorry bout the giant post but this is what i read so you guys may as well read too........
 

West Coast Medicine

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It's quite a coincidence that the Bush White House was playing "terror" at the expense of the American Public for (possibly) political gain. Although this has no direct bearing on our discussion, it shows that the Bush White House was willing to use terror threats to (possibly) enhance political favor. Good post Wyteboi.
 

GrowRebel

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Number one, who are "they"? If you know, please divulge. Without knowing who "they" are, or letting them know that we know who "they" are, we can't make "them" nervous, can we?
We don't know for sure who they are but I have my suspicions that "they" are the elite and members of PNAC, and other elite groups, but we can't know for sure who "they" are until we have a real investigation. We do know that Nick Rockefeller is one of them by the interview Alex Jones had with Aaron Russo before he died. I re-posted that back on page 119 post 1190. And if we weren't making "them" nervous "they" wouldn't be putting out shills and disinformation on the subject. Now would they?

Number two, without knowing who "they" are, we may well be talking about the entire United States government entity.
Again ... that's why we need a real investigation to find out who are responsible for what happen.

If this is the case, how many lives would be lost to the civil war that ensues from factioning states?
How many more lives are going to be lost if we allow these war criminals to go unpunished? Well over a million have died so far. Do you think they will stop the killing on their own?

Would there be a full civil war, or would there be as much opposition against the sitting DC government to allow a coup d'etat?
Most Americans are sheep ... I have my doubts about civil war. Besides the government is anticipating that ... why do you think they are building all these detention centers in the states?

Unless this is the case, I can guarantee that we will be facing martial law, but under whose command will it be imposed?
I have a feeling that's what the elite in government wants ... to impose martial law ... hence the detention centers.
Who will know who is in control?
Most likely the ones behind 911. The ones in control now.

Will you know if the Army battallions rolling through your neighborhood are friendly or enemy?
If they are rolling through my neighborhood I would not take them for friendly.

Will said armies even know who the enemy is?
Since they don't know who the enemy is in Afghanistan or Iraq ... I doubt they will know here, and just shoot and ask questions later like they always do.

How many states will be responsible for how many murders then?
How could I possibly know that? Your guess is as good as mine.

The reason that the majority of American's are acceptant of our governments explanation of what happened on 9/11/01 is because they are smart enough to know that if what you say what happened is true, they don't want to know and they would much rather continue life as it is.
That's no surprise that some people simply can't handle the truth, and they would think it smart to keep their heads in the sand ... but that will not stop the rest of us from fighting to get the truth out where it is generally known.

In the other scenario, if only a few of "them" were responsible, then how we identify "them"? Are "they" powerful? Who do we ask who "they" are?
We identify them through a real investigation. And that is what we "truthers" will continue to do until there is a real investigation and those responsible are held accountable. The people of NY are planning to vote in November to demand a real investigation ... by law congress has to act, but since congress no longer obeys the law it will probably boil down to some kind of civil action.
Now I have a question for you... how much of the 911 information in this thread have you gone over. And what ... if any ... of the evidence do you refute? Please be specific.
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GrowRebel

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It's quite a coincidence that the Bush White House was playing "terror" at the expense of the American Public for (possibly) political gain. Although this has no direct bearing on our discussion, it shows that the Bush White House was willing to use terror threats to (possibly) enhance political favor. Good post Wyteboi.
Oh but it does have a bearing on our discussion ... those "terror alerts" were the result of the 911 false flag attack. 911 was done so the elite could have a perpetual war in order to loot the treasury and to gain control of the Middle East. They blame the "terrorists" and tell the sheep they will protect them ... they only have to give up a few rights, and some fell for it. Do you really think they could get away with the crimes they are committing now without 911?
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GrowRebel

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This gives you an idea of how nervous "they" are ...

The "Pod People" And The Plane That Crashed Into the Pentagon
Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon.
This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story.
WRH believed ... at that time ... there was a plane ... but for me there are still a lot of unanswered questions like why didn't the reporters and ground witnesses see the plane? Or the pilot that was ordered to check the damage. How could you miss seeing it in the air?

Man if they ever do have a real investigation, and put it on TV the ratings would be sky high, put all the "reality" shows to shame.
:clap: This shit would be better than any show or movie they could put out.:o


 

GrowRebel

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Check out this op-ed by Larry Flynt ... yeah THAT Larry Flynt... he's not talking about 911 per say but this op-ed of his give a good indication who is responsible and why ... and the most important message of the piece ... the real enemy. The message is far more important than the messenger.:o
“The Real War Is Not Between the Left and the Right. It Is Between the Average American and the Ruling Class ...Who Would Make Us Their Slaves”
Larry Flynt - wrote today on Huffington Post:
The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich ... Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.
This was never more obvious than with the Wall Street bailout, whereby the very corporations that caused the collapse of our economy were rewarded with taxpayer dollars. So arrogant, so smug were they that, without a moment's hesitation, they took our money -- yours and mine -- to pay their executives multimillion-dollar bonuses, something they continue doing to this very day. They have no shame. They don't care what you and I think about them. Henry Kissinger refers to us as "useless eaters"...
Oh no ... this couldn't be from the people that want to "protect us" from those nasty terrorists! Surely they wouldn't regard us common folk as "useless eaters" ... they wouldn't think of all those good folks killed on 911 that way ... right? :roll: The elite don't give a damn about you ... face it.
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Operation 420

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This gives you an idea of how nervous "they" are ...

The "Pod People" And The Plane That Crashed Into the Pentagon
Right now, government shills are working hard to trick web sites into running the claim that a passenger jet did not really hit the Pentagon.
This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story.
WRH believed ... at that time ... there was a plane ... but for me there are still a lot of unanswered questions like why didn't the reporters and ground witnesses see the plane? Or the pilot that was ordered to check the damage. How could you miss seeing it in the air?

Man if they ever do have a real investigation, and put it on TV the ratings would be sky high, put all the "reality" shows to shame.
:clap: This shit would be better than any show or movie they could put out.:o


That site was total bullshit, lol. Reverse psychology failure if I've ever seen one.
 
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