OK I am confused about "yield"

Cowart69

Active Member
Me and my wife are starting a "mom and pop" thing in one of our closet spaces.....

We plan to start out with Master Cush (in the grow space now) and White Willow (seeds are on their way from a overseas seed bank....we are in CA)

I am stil researching the Master Cush as we bought that from a local place but I did a lot of research on the White Willow....it is suppoed to be really good stuff and the advertised yield is 450 grams.

But it doing some reading today you have different yields/harvests for indoor and outdoor.....since we are growing indoors we should be able to harvest 3 times in a full year right (I realize that this year is half over so we will be probably get 2 at the most this year.

BUT....my question is on the yield.....what exactly would the indoor yield be of a white willow plant? Is it the advertised 450 grams or is it less? I need to know so that I can get more plants going if it is less (we were going to start out with 6)

We have a license in CA so we can legally grow the plants....we have ventalation, fans, lighting, walls inside covered, etc etc so we have a basis to start.

I know this is going to be a "learn as you go" process but any help would be appreciated.
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
How much will I yield?
"I have XXX watts...how much will I yield?" or "How can I get bigger yields?"

A common inquiry. From ambitious new gardeners and for good reason too. But, this is really a loaded question that doesn't have a definite answer. It seems one of the first assumptions by new gardeners is that loads of light automatically equals loads of buds. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. Yield is equally contingent on a number of factors; light, temperature, humidity, water, nutrients, CO2/ventilation, genetics, etc. Think of it as an engine, with each factor of cultivation representing a single piston, sure the engine will run if some of the cylinders are misfiring or not firing at all, but to yield the most power from that engine, all cylinders must be firing in sync and at maximum capacity.

Temperature. Most cannabis plants will slow or cease growth when temp's get above 85F, or below 65f. Optimal lights-on temp for most strains is about 72-78F, with 5-10 degrees cooler during the dark period being a good rule of thumb.

Humidity. Cannabis does best around 45%-55% RH (relative humidity).
During veg and late flower, however letting it drop lower during the final two weeks of flower is advised, as it will help prevent mould problems.

Water/moisture. Cannabis generally doesn't like "wet feet", or a soggy environment, so it's very important to have a fast draining soil/soil-less mix (or well aerated solution in a hydro garden). Wet or damp conditions can also lead to mould problems during flowering.

Nutrients. Cannabis will require a variety of nutrients at varying NPK ratios during its existence. NPK stand for; nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K)-the three major nutrients used by plants. Simply put, your plants will need a fertilizer with more N than P and K during vegetative growth and fertilizer with more P than N and K during flowering. Using any well-known quality fertilizer applied per instruction @ ½ strength is a good place to start. Organic, chemical, or somewhere in-between is another choice to be made and is a totally personal one. There is a plethora of fertilizers on the market, but the best fertilizer is the one that's used properly.

CO2/ventilation. Plants require CO2. There is sufficient CO2 in our atmosphere to support massive bud growth, but when growing inside you must either have adequate ventilation (the volume of the room exhausted at least once/5 minutes) to ensure that there is a constant supply of fresh, CO2 enriched air or one must have supplemental CO2, which requires higher temp's and more nutrients to be utilized effectively.

Light. Typically, the more the merrier, but more light will create stronger water, nutrient, and CO2 demands on the plants. You must also have the proper spectrum of lighting as well as a means of efficiently reflecting as much of the light as possible into the garden's canopy. The norm is to use more bluish light (Metal Halide, cool-white fluorescents) for vegetative growth and more reddish (High Pressure sodium, warm fluoro's) light for flowering. Though it's possible to grow great buds under fluorescent lighting and a few will even argue their superiority to HID's, most indoor growers use High Intensity Discharge lights such as MH and HPS, and many use fluoro's for vegetative growth and HPS for flowering. It's very important to have the light as physically close to the canopy as possible without burning the foliage and still allowing for even coverage.Many new growers believe that "Droppin the light" closer to the plant will be beneficial. Besides heat stress, the bulb puts out radiant energy that causes leaf burn (Note it is possible to complete a grow using just HPS or MH)

Genetics. Its an easily overlooked factor. Some strains simply have the potential to yield more than others. Having a heavy-yielding strain doesn't automatically equal big yields, either. It only means that the potential for heavy yields is there. The grower must provide the optimum environment for that particular strain in order for it to be able to reach it's yield potential, and each strain has slightly unique requirements. Also, within a strain there are usually several phenotypes, each of which will exhibit unique characteristics which is to say that some pheno's of a particular strain will weigh more than others.

Plant/root/container size. Obviously, the longer a plant is veg'd, the bigger it will get and the more it will yield. Almost always overlooked because they're unseen are the roots. Root mass is directly related to bud production. Simply put, the more roots you have the more bud you will (potentially) have. Be sure to always allow plenty of space for the roots to grow and spread out, even more-so in soil A general rule of thumb is 1 gallon of soil for every foot of plant height.

System.
Scrog/Sog/Vertical gardens
These systems have a higher g/w/time yield than comparable large plant system over the same time period.

Grower's skill. Growers can add yield by: using additives (like B1, kelp, enzymes), foliar feeding, and topping/FIM/

In addition. Tricks like keeping nutrients and the air temps warm during night cycle can help final yield. Although it's a topic of hot debate, it's generally thought that any system that supplies the roots with maximum oxygen (aeroponics) would outperform a system that restricts 02 input such as (soil).
So, as you can see there's much more to yield than throwing some plants under tons of light with tons of nutes. Before one becomes too concerned with yield, one must first learn how to grow plants well, learn how to "listen" to the plants and give them just what they need. It's best to start with simpler methods, in fact, I think the simpler method is always the better one. Learn how to grow strong, healthy, fast-growing plants and the yields will come.
 

Cowart69

Active Member
Thanks

I actually did read this....I was just wondering if we had some cush and ww growers out there who might be able to give me what their yields were for a reference.....

We are doing all/most of these things listed.....light is on a timer....there is a tempreture guage in the space we we are monitoring....they have the best light we could buy, best soil, best nutrients. Ventilation biult in and the best fans we could buy that are for this purpose.

Just wondering if the listed yield on the website we bought the seeds from is true and how long it would take. I dont want to rush it because I want a quality product but I also want to get in 2 harvests this year if I can.
 

midgradeindasouth

Well-Known Member
Those listings are for optimal growth.
They have a harvest time listed: 6-12 weeks flower./harvest.
Since you are growing inside and I suspect this might be your first grow don't expect the max.

I would be happy with half of the advertised dry weight the first grow a round.

Happy growing
 

Paola

Well-Known Member
It depends on so many variables it's tough to say how much you will actually harvest. When you say "White Willow" do you mean White Widow?
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
What they list on the website is usually what you could expect if everything is exact. But how often does that happen? You yield will vary depending on the level of your skill when it comes to providing your plants with what they need. Otherwise use what on the website as a very general guide.

What will make the yield vary? Are you growing in soil? What type of lighting and size? Do you have proper ventilation? Ph test? What ferts are you gonna use? Do you know when to start them? And at what strength?

If you aren't sure go to FAQ and click on getting started.
 

Cowart69

Active Member
Thanks for the help.

I actually would be happy with half of the advertised our first time out.....we will just grow more plants.

By the way.....anybody know anything about master cush? I know white widow (sorry about the previous spelling) is said to be very good.....I am still waiting on those seeds and hope they come in next week. The Cush I have right now and is starting to crytalize (We bought them already started from the store we brought our startup materials from)
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Did you get cush or Master Kush?IS it williow or white widow? Curious as I never heard the ones you listed just the Master Kush and White widow.The yield listed on those usually is for otimol conditions of 2 square meters per plant which is alot of room per plant.If its 450 grams outside figure about a third of that indoors with proper room lighting co2 injections and skilled growing.
 

beenthere donethat

Well-Known Member
As others have said..this is a max figure/optimal conditions given by the breeder.

FWIW...I've been growing for 15 years indoors and the MAX I've harvested off of one plant was 225 grams. This was a SCROG and it was grown on a DWC....one of the highest yielding approaches to growing out there...and it was grown all by itself under a 600 watt hps.

450 grams is doable...under perfect conditions...and a **minimum** of 1000 watts of light per plant.

Realistically...I'd say you''ll be closer to an ounce per plant than a pound per plant....

good luck

bt dt
 

Cowart69

Active Member
Did you get cush or Master Kush?IS it williow or white widow? Curious as I never heard the ones you listed just the Master Kush and White widow.The yield listed on those usually is for otimol conditions of 2 square meters per plant which is alot of room per plant.If its 450 grams outside figure about a third of that indoors with proper room lighting co2 injections and skilled growing.
Sorry I was not more clear on this....its Master Kush and White Widow. I tried to pick 2 premium type's
 
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