Old School Skunk, who's found it???

Who came up with 1979 ? Everyone knows the 1980 edition was released early in late '79 hahaha
That should be a dead giveaway.
But on a serious note.
The old mexi could be odorless when you got a grassy pheno. But the grassy mex crossed to ghani made some good skunk phenos

I found the source. And its called Floriduh for a reason.
Don't believe the crap that comes outta that pit.
Tk & white were bagseed...
Matt didn't create bubba..
And now they claim 79 hahaha

What arw you guyz trying to recreate ? Can you tell me the pedegrie of that exact plant you smoked in the 70s and 80s. Unless you knos that then your just looking for a needle in the whole wide world.
Is that 79 skunk from those guys who made up there own version of the florida og and og ect whith completly diffrent plants. Crazzy people around on the breeding scene. People need to be more carefull of some of the things people come up with when their trying to sell you seeds or clones.

Someone wrote a review on the 79 skunk clone on strainly from sunshine state seed co:
"There is no "skunk" smell to it at all. It's a citrusy funk. Like so many other strains out currently."

conor c said:

Huft nah man thats almost 160 pounds i wouldnt pay that for em bud

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I just picked up a donny burger clone its danky smelling we'll see I've heard skunky things about it ? Also grabbed a holy grail kush , I did that one 15 yrs ago it was pretty danky , so theres that . uhggg , Wheres is our 70/80's skunk ? lol

80skunk said:

I just picked up a donny burger clone its danky smelling we'll see I've heard skunky things about it ? Also grabbed a holy grail kush , I did that one 15 yrs ago it was pretty danky , so theres that . uhggg , Wheres is our 70/80's skunk ? lol

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The holy grail I had in 2013 (regular)was one of the stinkiest cultivars I’ve ever had…

Flash63 said:

The holy grail I had in 2013 (regular)was one of the stinkiest cultivars I’ve ever had…

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Oh yeah I bet . The 1st two were in a 55 gal trash bag w/ super soil . 1/2 lb off that one .2nd two are w/ co2 in rockwool ,, just screwing around .

jimihendrix1 said:

No Cigar. And we had Skunk, long before those 2 strains were available. Friend grew it from 78-79, and got ratted out in 1984, and lost it, to the cops. My buddy grew tons of it on the Levisa Fork, of the Big Sandy River, in South East Ky-Va border. It was in the middle of nowhere/mountains then, and you could grow about as much as you could plant. This would also be about a 120 miles, 1 way drive, on a 2 lane road, loaded with coal trucks, in the mountains, of E Ky. It was truly dangerous. Youd never get away with it now.
Same thing for the Ohio River.
He lived ( RIP ) in north east Ky, and would drive 50 miles to Garrison Ky, put his boat in the water, and go west, and then go across the river, to Adams County Ohio, and plant on the back side of some really really really nice farms, that grew corn, and was as flat, as a pancake. Plants got sun from dawn, until dark. Main thing you have to worry about growing on the river, is FOG, in the fall, and it can destroy the weed. But nothing grows weed like a river bottom.


But anything from Mr Nice, or anything else with Sk1, or if you see Sk1 advertised. remember. Sk1 NEVER had a skunk smell, and is a sweet type skunk, with possible catpiss phenos, cheese, floral hash. But Skunk, ammoniated, sulfur, aint one of them.
Nothing Watson, ever had, was reeking skunk.

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Wonder if the Cops have it still lololl haha ... Thats crazy sht . To bad we didn't know in the 80s what we know now uhgggg . We'd have our Skunk ! Uhgggg

80skunk said:

Wonder if the Cops have it still lololl haha ... Thats crazy sht . To bad we didn't know in the 80s what we know now uhgggg . We'd have our Skunk ! Uhgggg

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Thats going to be 40 years ago, this coming fall. Id say most of the cops, are dead. My buddy passed 2 years ago, this Oct 30. He was the one that had the weed.
He got it from a guy nicknamed "Noodles". From Meigs county, Ohio. Which back then, was known as the Humoldt County of the East, as long ago, as 1970. Noodles, would be 80 this year, and my buddy, 74. My buddy met Noodles, when his band Appalachian Mainline, opened for Joe Walsh, in Charleston West Virginia. I think it was 1972.
Noodle gave him the first Indica seeds, we ever saw.
Noodle, is also the creator of Meigs County Gold, and had frequent visits from Willie Nelson.
COPA Genetics, is working with some of Noodles genetics, and is friends with Noodles nephew. I believe they hunt together. I never met Noodles.
Ive also often wondered. Noodles got busted in the late 90s, and not so many years after that, Skunk, was gone. I never saw anything like what we had, after it was lost in 84, and my buddy didnt keep close contact with Noodles.
I just wonder if Noodles, had anything to do with some of the breeding of Skunk. Its curious that it was around from at least 1977, and it had to be around before that, because it was already in circulation, and it wasnt just like it all of a sudden popped up, and my buddy got it. Id guess, it had to have been around, for a good long while.
And while my buddy didnt know if Noodles was trying to throw him off about the origins of the Skunk, he gave my buddy. He said it was a cross of an Unnamed Afghani, and South Indian Kerela. And the plants my buddy had, were very Sativa dominant. They could get 10 feet tall in the right conditions. Long, medium sized, electric green buds. Done Mid-Late October, in NE-SE-Ky.
He also lost that Indica strain. It grew like a round hedge, and my buddy called it Beach Ball, because of the plant structure. It would get at most 6ft tall , and 8 feet wide. It dried, to a deep, brick red, and would choke your brains out. Just as far as a wipe out stone, it was at least as strong as the Skunk. It was true breeding. He grew that stuff for 12 years, and never saw a bad plant. He grew a lot on the Levisa Fork of the Big Sandy, and the Ohio River, from Ashland-Garrison, Garrison-Manchester Ohio. And up the Scioto River, between Portsmouth, and Piketon, where they have the Nuclear Power Plant.
Back in the 70s, and into the early 80s, much of these areas, were still in the middle of nowhere Appalachia. Up until Ron Rayguns brought in the Helicopters starting around 1983-84. And then started the CAMP. Campaign Against Marijuana Planting. And Just say No.
And Ky became the worst of the worst, for weed.

jimihendrix1 said:

Its curious that it was around from at least 1977, and it had to be around before that, because it was already in circulation, and it wasnt just like it all of a sudden popped up, and my buddy got it. Id guess, it had to have been around, for a good long while.

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Sam's catalog in 1986, seeds from 1985, "grown in California 10 years" [I assume that refers to Skunk in general not SK1], so that would be around 1975 already.

Sativied said:

Sam's catalog in 1986, seeds from 1985, "grown in California 10 years" [I assume that refers to Skunk in general not SK1], so that would be around 1975 already.

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I had that catalog. And notice is says Sweet Taste. I bought the Afghani #1, and the Sk1. I wish I could find some good genes of the old Afghani #1. Its aka M10. Ive read more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version.
He was talking about the Sk1, being grown, and stabilized since 1975. Not Skunk, in general.

Well well tell me if you think this was really danky killer pot ? The PNWHP x Puck BC1 ,, I did 2 last year outside . Well I don't know any chime in would be cool . I have more seeds., Remember when almost every skunky 80s plant was a keeper ,, in 91' My buddy handed me a gandful of select dank seeds he put aside from smoking the dankiest around the Mountain /Humboldt . I hit them w/ rockwool trays and threw guano on the cubes 2 weeks before harvest and . That year I was injured on the job and couldnt smoke due to severe nerve damage , but my buddy that bought the badest humboldt off Our friend said that sprinkled rockwool bud was more killer than thab the native zips he was buying .,, he gave 400 all the wat up 16 for 4 wow those were the days huh .. I het so saddened by todays weedz ,,

jimihendrix1 said:

I had that catalog. And notice is says Sweet Taste. I bought the Afghani #1, and the Sk1. I wish I could find some good genes of the old Afghani #1. Its aka M10. Ive read more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version.
He was talking about the Sk1, being grown, and stabilized since 1975. Not Skunk, in general.

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Have U ever smoked Univ. Washington x black hash ,,,its great ,, Shoe sent them to me to try , purple zebra x 84 humboldt skunk , I'm trying to get them outside this time ,

80skunk said:

Have U ever smoked Univ. Washington x black hash ,,,its great ,, Shoe sent them to me to try , purple zebra x 84 humboldt skunk , I'm trying to get them outside this time ,

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Nope, never smoked that one.

jimihendrix1 said:

I had that catalog. And notice is says Sweet Taste. I bought the Afghani #1, and the Sk1. I wish I could find some good genes of the old Afghani #1. Its aka M10. Ive read more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version.

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I sold it, not the seeds but the product. I started smoking late eighties when most of the weed was afghanis, indicas, varieties that would finish before outdoor in the dutch climate before the fall and its rain and cold would cause it to rot. Not a whole lot of people would smoke nor grow haze at the time. The coffeeshops were initially mostly hash shops, import from Morocco but also Nepal and India. Nowadays it's mostly Moroccan or locally produced. Not every town had a coffeeshop, mostly 'home dealers', which wasn't the best stuff either. So I'd go to the nearest bigger city and buy like 50 grams and sell it per gram back home or on beaches.

"And then there was Skunk

The green team now maintained gardens with plants throughout the country.

In 1984 the Green team had achieved a turnover of several hundred kilos per year and it was time for expansion. We sent a ticket to two promising Americans, Ed Rosenthal, the famous author of the ancient cannabis bible, and a man named Sam the Skunkman. This Sam promised such enormous harvests and benefits with the new strain of Skunk he developed that we called him the miracle man. That year we grew Skunk for the first time in a greenhouse as shown in the photo below.

When I had to sell that Skunk, the weed was literally pulled out of our hands. Consumers were wildly enthusiastic about the beautiful red buds and took Nederwiet to their hearts. Sam was absolutely right! His species made indoor cultivation possible in the greenhouse and under artificial light [with ballasts and lights they developed with the help of Philips themselves]. The wheel that we had worked so hard to turn now began to turn at an awesome speed. Everything was suddenly possible.

One of first Skunk plants grown in NL:

That's Old Ed:
https://olded.nl/geschiedenis/ (English option top left, written by Wernard Bruining, founder first coffeeshop in Amsterdam)


The sweet taste comment has to be put in perspective. Skunk was sweet only compared to the rest, it wasn't 'sweet' in a way we'd now label sweet. It was sweet on top of the skunk. It was just more than the greeny, hashy, minty stuff everything else was. It reeked, thick, it lived up to its name, but not in a cat piss way (I'd know! lol) and not in a roadkill way either. I have to agree with you and say I don't think we even had that, not from Sam anyway. In no time ALL the shops in NL started selling Skunk. They went from selling more hash to selling more weed. Every street with a shop would reek to a point it was the main complaint from neighbors. Not the people, the 'junkies', the 'drugs' being sold, but the smell. For a decade, Skunk was synonymous with 'netherweed'. All the breeders, all the now old seed shops, started using Skunk to cross with what they had already and sell it across the globe, sometimes without honestly naming the Skunk parent. As the quote from above says, it was the beginning of indoor growing as well. So for me.... that's as old school Skunk as Skunk gets.

In the early 90s I worked in a coffeeshop for a few years, where the first half of the above catalog, plus OH, was the popular stuff on the menu. Super Skunk and Northern Lights too of course. Later Master Kush, Silver and Early Pearl. Jack Herrer was the first that really took it up a notch. Later White Widow. Skunk was still sold but not nearly as popular anymore. One of the things that still set it apart was that it caused a space, indoor or outdoor, to reek. People in jail didn't want it, only hash cause that wouldn't linger as long in the cell.

Afghanis were always the cheapest stuff aside from outdoor grown (which became subpar compared to indoor given our climate). I knew many people who continued to grow it outside and didn't join the new rage. In shops however, it was too close to hash and what we already had pre-Sam, which we had in much larger variety. I'd expect nothing less than reading "more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version", as that is what it always was, more bad than good. Good to reduce flowertime and beef up calyxes of a haze hybrid, not so much a great plant on its own. Nothing compared to all the derivatives that exist today. Seeds were dead cheap back then, it was a given most would not result in great clone-worthy plants. You need(ed) more than a couple of packs. The whole reason that worked is cause most were never as uniform as some people suggest, getting seeds from the 80s doesn't mean you get the same plants/pheno nor grow environment and thus different results.

I kind of have a love-hate relationship with Sensi... I'm skeptic about everything they have nowadays, but that goes at least as much for others as well, and in some cases would still be the first for me to try, if anything to exclude. (the silver haze is very prone to hermie, wasted a good amount of time on that). But many who complain had too high expectations to begin with. There's good reasons they were replaced on the menu. That wasn't about losing parents or w/e.

Only reason I'd be interested is for breeding. Much better products available nowadays and those who are chasing an old strain for its effects supposedly being so much better are chasing a fantasy. My first indoor grow was Orange. Would not mind having those again but it was never as citric or orangy as some of the stuff today and I doubt it would get me high.

How cannabis affects each individual is complex and subjective. I'm not too fond of the majority of new strains and find them weak and bland. For me, it's not a matter of "chasing fantasies", I grow and smoke modern and old strains, and I am mostly disappointed by modern strains. I don't base my opinion on nostalgia or memories of better times.

But to each their own, and luckily we live in a time when it's getting easier to seek out what works best for each person.

80skunk said:

I just picked up a donny burger clone its danky smelling we'll see I've heard skunky things about it ? Also grabbed a holy grail kush , I did that one 15 yrs ago it was pretty danky , so theres that . uhggg , Wheres is our 70/80's skunk ? lol

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Thats got chem d in it i think so its funk proly from there

Sativied said:

I sold it, not the seeds but the product. I started smoking late eighties when most of the weed was afghanis, indicas, varieties that would finish before outdoor in the dutch climate before the fall and its rain and cold would cause it to rot. Not a whole lot of people would smoke nor grow haze at the time. The coffeeshops were initially mostly hash shops, import from Morocco but also Nepal and India. Nowadays it's mostly Moroccan or locally produced. Not every town had a coffeeshop, mostly 'home dealers', which wasn't the best stuff either. So I'd go to the nearest bigger city and buy like 50 grams and sell it per gram back home or on beaches.

"And then there was Skunk

The green team now maintained gardens with plants throughout the country.

In 1984 the Green team had achieved a turnover of several hundred kilos per year and it was time for expansion. We sent a ticket to two promising Americans, Ed Rosenthal, the famous author of the ancient cannabis bible, and a man named Sam the Skunkman. This Sam promised such enormous harvests and benefits with the new strain of Skunk he developed that we called him the miracle man. That year we grew Skunk for the first time in a greenhouse as shown in the photo below.

When I had to sell that Skunk, the weed was literally pulled out of our hands. Consumers were wildly enthusiastic about the beautiful red buds and took Nederwiet to their hearts. Sam was absolutely right! His species made indoor cultivation possible in the greenhouse and under artificial light [with ballasts and lights they developed with the help of Philips themselves]. The wheel that we had worked so hard to turn now began to turn at an awesome speed. Everything was suddenly possible.

One of first Skunk plants grown in NL:
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That's Old Ed:
https://olded.nl/geschiedenis/ (English option top left, written by Wernard Bruining, founder first coffeeshop in Amsterdam)


The sweet taste comment has to be put in perspective. Skunk was sweet only compared to the rest, it wasn't 'sweet' in a way we'd now label sweet. It was sweet on top of the skunk. It was just more than the greeny, hashy, minty stuff everything else was. It reeked, thick, it lived up to its name, but not in a cat piss way (I'd know! lol) and not in a roadkill way either. I have to agree with you and say I don't think we even had that, not from Sam anyway. In no time ALL the shops in NL started selling Skunk. They went from selling more hash to selling more weed. Every street with a shop would reek to a point it was the main complaint from neighbors. Not the people, the 'junkies', the 'drugs' being sold, but the smell. For a decade, Skunk was synonymous with 'netherweed'. All the breeders, all the now old seed shops, started using Skunk to cross with what they had already and sell it across the globe, sometimes without honestly naming the Skunk parent. As the quote from above says, it was the beginning of indoor growing as well. So for me.... that's as old school Skunk as Skunk gets.

In the early 90s I worked in a coffeeshop for a few years, where the first half of the above catalog, plus OH, was the popular stuff on the menu. Super Skunk and Northern Lights too of course. Later Master Kush, Silver and Early Pearl. Jack Herrer was the first that really took it up a notch. Later White Widow. Skunk was still sold but not nearly as popular anymore. One of the things that still set it apart was that it caused a space, indoor or outdoor, to reek. People in jail didn't want it, only hash cause that wouldn't linger as long in the cell.

Afghanis were always the cheapest stuff aside from outdoor grown (which became subpar compared to indoor given our climate). I knew many people who continued to grow it outside and didn't join the new rage. In shops however, it was too close to hash and what we already had pre-Sam, which we had in much larger variety. I'd expect nothing less than reading "more bad reports than good on the Sensi Version", as that is what it always was, more bad than good. Good to reduce flowertime and beef up calyxes of a haze hybrid, not so much a great plant on its own. Nothing compared to all the derivatives that exist today. Seeds were dead cheap back then, it was a given most would not result in great clone-worthy plants. You need(ed) more than a couple of packs. The whole reason that worked is cause most were never as uniform as some people suggest, getting seeds from the 80s doesn't mean you get the same plants/pheno nor grow environment and thus different results.

I kind of have a love-hate relationship with Sensi... I'm skeptic about everything they have nowadays, but that goes at least as much for others as well, and in some cases would still be the first for me to try, if anything to exclude. (the silver haze is very prone to hermie, wasted a good amount of time on that). But many who complain had too high expectations to begin with. There's good reasons they were replaced on the menu. That wasn't about losing parents or w/e.

Only reason I'd be interested is for breeding. Much better products available nowadays and those who are chasing an old strain for its effects supposedly being so much better are chasing a fantasy. My first indoor grow was Orange. Would not mind having those again but it was never as citric or orangy as some of the stuff today and I doubt it would get me high.

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84 would make sense for when it arrived in holland as this is where skunk#2 (eu one not usa #2 yes theres two different lines called that)and red skunk and skunk special all come from the first greenhouse grows and hunts in holland at this time according to ferry so that ties in he worked for posi and nirvana before him self and he been there from the start

Another one I dug up from old pc, this was in the US:


No discount on Skunk #1...

Found the other half of the previous one too:



Sacred seeds was Soma. Another guy involved was Eddie, who later start Flying Dutchmen seeds. They used to sell "The Pure" which was the red haired Skunk #1. Sam also gave him his Original Haze seeds. "Flying Dutchmen is currently unavailable", some seed sites may still have some stock. Used to be good alternative to Sensi.

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Another one I dug up from old pc, this was in the US:

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No discount on Skunk #1...

Found the other half of the previous one too:

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Sacred seeds was Soma. Another guy involved was Eddie, who later start Flying Dutchmen seeds. They used to sell "The Pure" which was the red haired Skunk #1. Sam also gave him his Original Haze seeds. "Flying Dutchmen is currently unavailable", some seed sites may still have some stock. Used to be good alternative to Sensi.

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The pure is nothing like the one termed skunk red hair tho as that reeks of catpiss the pure is fruity crap all sweet skunk#1 ime ask ferry from fms there his lines the pures sams of course but skunk red hair skunk#2 (eu one) and skunk special ice and a bunch of others too are from him

Ive been smoking since 1967, grew my 1st plant in 1972. Started trying to grow long flowering landrace sativas, with SHO - 8ft Fluroescent bulbs, in 75, with very limited success. Then, around 77-78, they started advertising a 1000w Metal Halide buld, that the Navy used for growing veggies, in their subs, when they go no contact for months at a time. They supplement their diets, with frest grown veggies.
The bulb was so fragile, they wouldnt guarantee it would survive shipping. So no warranty. about 6 months after that, someone came out with the Supernova 1000w Halide, and was rugged enough to survive shipping.
I started buying seeds, as soon as they became available.

I ordered Mazar from Nevil, and the seeds came from Santa Barbara. Letter had a Santa Barbara Post Stamp. I ordered many of the strains of the 80-90s. But when I got the NL5 x Haze x Nevils Hashplant x Sk1, my seed buying days, were over. Ive not seen anything close to it, since, and gave up nothing to any landrace, I ever smoked. I smoked a few that were comparable, but NOTHING, ever stomped it. And Ive got a verified Chem91skva cut, and as far as a strain that should come with a warning, the strain I had, was noticeably more powerful, than Chem91. And not S1 either. It was the type of weed that had people peering out from behind the curtains, because they know for sure, aliens, are out to get them. I lost older customers because it was so strong. 1 toke, would send many into extreme paranoia, and though the mental high was so strong, the physical aspect, was no less devastating. Add on to that, that is is for sure, the best tasting weed, I ever smoked.
In my neck of the woods, it went for $5000 anlb, all day long, and you couldnt grow enough of it. I grerw it 6 years, and a partner rattd me out to the feds, when he got caught with 500 clones I gave him, to put on his 2000 acre cattle farm, in Lincoln county Ky. 150 miles away, from where I am. They found 750 more I had. I got charged with all 1250 of them, and did almost 8 years locked up, and 5 years supervised release. 1997-2009.
I didnt smoke the whole time. So, when I started again, I had no tolerance. So, since 2009, Ive been trying to find something thats as good, as what my old strain was, and so far, and 10s-1000s of dollars in seeds, and clones, Ive still not found anything, that I like, better than that old strain.

We had the real deal skunk where I am. North East, Ky, as far back as 1977. First I ever saw, my buddy got it from Meigs County, Ohio, which was known as the Humboldt County, of the East.
My buddy older buddy ( RIP ) played in a band, that opened for Joe Walsh, in Charleston Wva, in 1972, and he met a guy nicknamed "Noodles" who we now know, was a legendary grower in Meigs.
He is the creator of Meigs county Gold, which is Skj#2 x Acapulco Gold. And I have no idea which version of Sk2.
Meigs Gold, was Willie Nelsons favorite weed, in the 70s-80s, and used to come to Noodles farm, in Rutland, Ohio.
noodles gave my buddy the first Indica, we had ever heard of. This was in 1973. And growers for sure did know, to kill males.
But my buddy called it Beach Ball, because it grew like a round bush. No more than 6ft tall, and would get 7 feet wide, if given enough sun, water, and started early in the season. It dried to a deep brick red, and would choke you to death,.

In 1978, Noodles gave my buddy the first Skunk, we ever heard of. My buddy grew it until 1984, when an alleged friend, ratted him out, and both strains were lost. The Skunk my buddy had, was Sativa Dominant, and had long, medium sized colas, and would get 10 feet tall, if given the chance.
And while I dont know if Noodles told him the truth, he told my buddy, the Skunk he had, was a cross of South Indian Kerela, and an unnamed Indica. AND, this Indica he had, was Narrow Leaf, and not Afghanica/Broad Leaf.
Noodles would be 80 years old, and started collecting seeds, in the 60s.
He passed in 2020, in Huntington Wva, at St Marys Med Center. I found my buddy passed 2 years, this Oct 31.
COPA Genetics, is working with some of Noodles Genetics, and were said to be given to COPA by Noodles Nephew, who is friends with Noodles Nephew, and they hunt, together.
Noodles real name was William Keith Hayes. He is legend, in Appalachia.

William Keith “Noodle” Hayes
BIRTH-27 Jul 1944
Middleport, Meigs County, Ohio, USA
DEATH-24 Jan 2020 (aged 75)
Huntington, Cabell County, West Virginia, USA
BURIAL
McGee Cemetery

William (Noodle) Hayes, 75 of Racine, OH (Antiquity community) went home Friday, January 24, 2020, at St Mary's Medical Center, Huntington, WV.

He was Born July 27, 1944 at Middleport, OH, to the late Arnold Wilson (Red) Hayes and Nettie Mae Badgley Hayes. He was a carpenter and mechanic. Noodle had a great love for his dogs and enjoyed working in his herb garden.

Survived by his known children Macenzie Hayes, Levi Ellis, Jeffrey Bodine Hayes, Tracy Hayes plus possible other children. 2 brothers Bob and Walt Hayes, special friend David Graham, 9 grand children known and others, 5 great grandchildren, nieces and nephews.

Along with his parents preceded by daughter Vikki Hayes, son Brian Hayes, and brother Gene Hayes.

Memorial services are Friday, January 31, 2020, at 7 pm at Birchfield Funeral Home, Rutland, Ohio. A gathering of family and friends is 5 to 7 pm, Friday before services. Noodle's burial will be at a later date at Smallwood Cemetery, Vinton, OH.