On FDR ... And The Great Depression.

ViRedd

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Great Myths About the Great Depression
by Thomas Sowell (October 10, 2003)

Article website address: http://www.CapMag.com/article.asp?ID=3159

Summary: On the myth that President Franklin D. Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s.

They say "truth will out" but sometimes it takes a long time. For more than half a century, it has been a "well-known fact" that President Franklin D. Roosevelt got us out of the Great Depression of the 1930s. That view was never pervasive among economists, and even J.M. Keynes -- a liberal icon -- criticized some of FDR's policies as hindering recovery from the depression.


Only now has a book been written in language that non-economists can understand which argues persuasively that the policies of the Roosevelt administration actually prolonged the depression and made it worse. That book is "FDR's Folly" by Jim Powell. It is very readable, factual and insightful -- and is endorsed by two Nobel Prizewinning economists.

If the word "folly" seems a little dismissive, read the book first. Someone described FDR's trust-busting Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold as being like one of the Marx brothers who went into government by mistake. That description would apply to many of the others around FDR, including his much-vaunted "brain-trust" of presumptuous and self-righteous people.

It is painfully obvious that President Roosevelt himself had no serious understanding of economics, any more than his Republican predecessor, Herbert Hoover, had. The difference was that Roosevelt had boundless self-confidence and essentially pushed some of the misconceptions of President Hoover to their logical extreme.

The grand myth for decades was that Hoover was unwilling to use the powers of government to come to the aid of the people during the Great Depression but that Roosevelt was more caring and did. In reality, both presidents represented a major break with the past by casting the federal government in the role of rescuer of the economy in its distress.

Scholarly studies of the history of these two administrations have in recent years come to see FDR's New Deal as Herbert Hoover's policies writ large and in bolder strokes.

Those who judge by intentions may say that this was a good thing. But those who judge by results point out that none of the previous depressions -- during which the federal government essentially did nothing -- lasted anywhere near as long as the depression in which the federal government decided that it had to "do something."

In "FDR's Folly," author Jim Powell spells out just what the Roosevelt administration did and what consequences followed. It tried to raise farm prices by destroying vast amounts of produce -- at a time when hunger was a serious problem in the United States. It imposed minimum wage rates that priced unskilled labor out of jobs, at a time of massive unemployment.

Behind both policies was the belief that what was needed was more purchasing power and that this could be achieved by government policies to raise the prices received by farmers and workers. But prices do not automatically translate into greater purchasing power, unless people buy as much at higher prices as they would at lower prices -- which they seldom do.

Then there were the monetary authorities contracting the money supply in the midst of the biggest depression in history -- when the economy was showing some signs of revival, until their monetary contraction touched off another big downturn.

With policy after policy and program after program, "FDR's Folly" traces the high hopes and disastrous consequences. It would be funny, like the Keystone cops running into one another and falling down, except that millions of people were in economic desperation while this farce was being played out in Washington.

Perhaps worse than any specific policy under FDR was the atmosphere of uncertainty generated by incessant new experiments. Billions of dollars of investment were needed to create millions of jobs for the unemployed. But investors were reluctant to risk their money while the rules of the game were constantly being changed in Washington, amid strident anti-business rhetoric.

Some of the people who most admired and almost worshipped FDR -- poor people and blacks, for example -- were hurt the most by amateurish tinkering with the economy by Roosevelt's New Deal administration. This book is an education in itself, both in history and in economics. It is also a warning of what can happen when leaders are chosen for their charm, charisma and rhetoric.




About the Author: Thomas Sowell has published a large volume of writing. His dozen books, as well as numerous articles and essays, cover a wide range of topics, from classic economic theory to judicial activism, from civil rights to choosing the right college.
 

medicineman

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Here a few tidbits from FDR the Man!
"The barrier between success is not something which exists in the real world: it is composed purely and simply of doubts about ability.


When you see a rattlesnake poised to strike you, do not wait until he has struck before you crush him.


I sometimes think that the saving grace of America lies in the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are possessed of two great qualities- a sense of humor and a sense of proportion.


Remember, remember always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrations and revolutionists.


These unhappy times call for the building of plans that build from the bottom up and not from the top down, that put their faith once more in the forgotten man at the bottom of the economic pyramid.


This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny.


Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.

"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs, who has never learned to walk."

"The United States Constitution has proved itself the most marvelously elastic compilation of rules of government ever written.
The nation that destroys its soil destroys itself. "
"But while they prate of economic laws, men and women are starving. We must lay hold of the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings. "

"An election cannot give a country a firm sense of direction if it has two or more national parties which merely have different names, but are as alike in their principals and aims as two peas in the same pod."
"I have no expectation of making a hit every time I come to bat."
"If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something. "
"The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. Let us move forward with strong and active faith."
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
"We, and all others who believe in freedom as deeply as we do, would rather die on our feet than live on our knees."
"True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made."
"We look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms. The first is freedom of speech and expression. The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way. The third is freedom from want. The fourth is freedom from fear."
"Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds."
"We have always held to the hope, the belief, the conviction that there is a better life, a better world, beyond the horizon."
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."
"It is the duty of the President to propose and it is the privilege of the Congress to dispose."
"Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort."
"There is no indispensable man."
"Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel in order to be tough."
"Our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men."
"It is a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead -- and find no one there."
"The value of love will always be stronger than the value of hate.. Any nation or group of nations which employs hatred eventually is torn to pieces by hatred..." "They are the Axis of Evil" G.W.Bush


For more famous quotes by Franklin D. Roosevelt, visit QuotationsBook.
 

Wavels

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Mr Sowell is correct.
Danddude, specifics would be appreciated, how is your post in any way a rebuttal of the facts disclosed in Sowells piece.
Are the facts erroneous?.....I think not....please enlighten us!
Thanks

Happy holidays and Merry Christmas to all
Wavels
 

medicineman

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Mr Sowell is correct.
Danddude, specifics would be appreciated, how is your post in any way a rebuttal of the facts disclosed in Sowells piece.
Are the facts erroneous?.....I think not....please enlighten us!
Thanks

Happy holidays and Merry Christmas to all
Wavels
I'm extremely sorry Mr. wavels, but I don't think there is a chance in hell to enlighten you or Vi. You are so set in your ways, that any enlightenment could never penetrate that membrain you guys call a brain (stubborn one celled omebic structure)! Have you heard of the reptilian brain, I think this applies as you only have one line of "thinking", How to get richer and fuck the little guy. I see in your future some hard times as reality sinks in, hopefully you will survive it and live a long and happy life. Maybe I'm being a little harsh here, but you guys seem to never think about anyone but yourselves and what you can get out of whatever is going on. BTW, Merry Christmas!!
 

Dankdude

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First Vi said FDR was a socialist, then he said FDR was more facist (in another thread) Which is it.....
FDR Fought tooth and nail against Hitler and he hated Stalin and every thing he stood for.

What FDR did was needed at that time in history period.
 

ViRedd

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No matter how you slice it ... FDR was a fascistic socialist. AND ... he did exactly what WASN'T needed at the time ... and that was for government to get out of the way of the free market.

Has it ever occured to any of you anti-Vi and anti-Wavels people that when FDR implimented his Make Work Programs, that those were paid for via tax dollars taken out of the private sector? If you take a dollar from a producer, filter it through the maze of a bureaucracy, then spend it on a WPA project, the only entity making out in the process is the bureaucracy?

Vi

PS: Hitler was a socialist ... he was the leader of Germany's National Socialist Party. Socialism and Fascism are nothing more than economic principles and/or governmental systems.

PSPS: Med ... I expected you to be a little kinder seeings how its Christmas.
 

medicineman

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PSPS: Med ... I expected you to be a little kinder seeings how its Christmas. I know, sorry, but it is so hard to be kind to ignorance and tomfoolery! when I have to deal with the blind postings of a fanatic, I get irritated. So Merry Christmas anyway, you and your comrad Wavels! Sig-Heil! I've meant to ask, am I dealing with a Skull and Bones idiot here, just curious?
 

Dankdude

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I'm Not anti -anyone, I just don't agree with your politics.... Besides Vi we have been friends for many years and I wouldn't let my Politics get in the way of that you know.
 

ViRedd

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Dank ...

Thanks for the kind words ... I feel the same about you. As a very fair and open minded person, I always welcome rational ideas from folks like you.

Med ...

Who asked for your idiotic, nonsensical opinion?

Vi
 

medicineman

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Dank ...

Thanks for the kind words ... I feel the same about you. As a very fair and open minded person, I always welcome rational ideas from folks like you.

Med ...

Who asked for your idiotic, nonsensical opinion?

Vi
Now-now Temper. When you become a caring warm open individual, I'll consider opining with you, otherwise, talk to the hand!
 

medicineman

New Member
Med ... yer using my color again. Your not into color redistribution too are ya?

Vi
Well you pissed on my parade so I'm pissing on yours. I was trying to be civil and use a different color but no, you couldn't lay off my hot rod so there. If you'll be civil I'll do this!
 

medicineman

New Member
OK ... your "hot rod" is really nice. Geeze ... this is like being back in high school!

Vi
So I take it you have no corporal hobbies, just cranial. Might do you some good to put your hands on something and make a change for the better. And BTW you and I can only wish for the High school feelings, I remember pryoprism, haven't had that in a few decades! ~LOL~
 
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