One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

legallyflying

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Am I allowed to say I am skeptical about the results? I either see a ton of tiny buds or a huge mold melt down.

Could be I'm just being a dick, but you are going to NEED to get some air moving under that plant or at least blast it with some fans and trim some leaves off. Bud rott is an awful thing to experience.
 

lilindian

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Oh, well I do the tuck method vs tie down. Pull the shoots from underneath and move them to my desired location...let them grow through again...repeat...IDK less work imo...but to each their own, see great results both ways, so u just gotta find out what works for you.
I've never seen someone else do a tie down method, would love to see some more examples of scrogs like this, i'm sure they're floating about somewhere.... i can't be the first one.... no chance. Anyway yeh, growing is damn personal, each to their own!

I counted about the half of a carpet and there were already 50 bud sites. It means there are over 100 :o

This will be Legen.... wait for it........dary
Indeed there are well over 100 but remember, all branches will 100% not be equal in size, so yes i'm definately gona get some SUPER fat cola's like the 2 in the 2 back corners for example, in fact all the branches to the extreme left and right of the screen are producing massive buds already. These i'm sure will need to be supported from above once they pack on the weight. The branches in the middle of the canopy are producing smaller thinner buds due to their generation of branching, but hopefully the extra lumens in the middle will bulk them up over the next month.

True Legendary Grow Bro. I agree. Should be a sticky, WTF!!:bigjoint:
I duno if it quite deserves a sticky man! maybe in the advanced cultivation section.... Anyway cheers!

I am in till the end now. Just read the whole thing
You've come at a good time, enjoy the show

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6620930 said:
i love this grow :D
She loves u back for the support

Am I allowed to say I am skeptical about the results? I either see a ton of tiny buds or a huge mold melt down.

Could be I'm just being a dick, but you are going to NEED to get some air moving under that plant or at least blast it with some fans and trim some leaves off. Bud rott is an awful thing to experience.
You can be a dick AND be right...

Ur perfectly entitled to be skeptical, after all i'm probably the biggest skeptic out there which is why i've re-iterated from the start this is an experiment and yield is not important! Just a bonus.

Right, so basically what ur looking at is fat cola's forming round the edge of the canopy at the end of a certain generation of branching. The branches growing up through the middle of the canopy are all further down generations, so branches are thinner. Branches here are also given less space and are fighting for light dominance, while the branches round the side have plenty of room for fan leaves to grow out and absorb shit loads of light. So at the moment its a mix of big buds and small buds.

Something u probably can't see in the pics are the bud formations on the branches in the middle of the canopy. They do go down a few inches so its not just a tiny little top which is what it looks like in the pics.

The yellowing saga i faced this week i'm seeing it as a blessing in disguise again. I was forced to trim the edges of leaves, cut a few fan leaves off ect. This really really helped air up my canopy and improve light penetration. Although these branches now have less leaf area for photosynthesis, new leaf growth is growing RAPIDLY out these buds and is thickening my canopy up again almost on a daily basis.... This week i want her canopy to thicken up completely and recover from the stresses of this week, then i'll trim the hell out of her at the end of week 5.

I've got so much air movement in this cab its silly, if i still get mould well i'm telling u now there's no way i could've avoided it! I'm purposely leaving temps a little low to reduce chances of mould, and the intake and extractor run 24/7. When lights are off i still have 1 6" fan running above the canopy.

I got bud rot with my SLH and know exactly what its like. What makes it worse is that i lost both main cola's in my first grow due to the stuff. Then again i'd rather have got rot in that grow than this grow!
 

stelthy

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Just thought I'd show ya how my DinaFem - Royal haze is coming along.. she has less than 3 weeks left :) :) Hope ya like the pic, check out my thread man! I added tons of pics for this MONDAY's UPDATE!! How long does you lady have left now? - STELTHY :leaf:
 

Indicator

Active Member
I've never seen someone else do a tie down method, would love to see some more examples of scrogs like this, i'm sure they're floating about somewhere.... i can't be the first one.... no chance. Anyway yeh, growing is damn personal, each to their own!
Fascinating grow! Read the whole damn thing! I have seen this scrog method once before at opengrow. Sannie did/does it. There are either pics there or at his seed site. He uses circular clips to tie it down. Allows a lot more freedom yet branch is still directed. I'll post the exact link if I run across it.
 

lilindian

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Just thought I'd show ya how my DinaFem - Royal haze is coming along.. she has less than 3 weeks left :) :) Hope ya like the pic, check out my thread man! I added tons of pics for this MONDAY's UPDATE!! How long does you lady have left now? - STELTHY :leaf:
Beautiful stelthy, some crazy lady u have there, to all others this kinda gives u an indication of what to expect in a few weeks time!

Did u purposely let her stretch a little? Only say that as some branches i see are really thin! Im wondering how they're stayin up.... Others look real nice and chunky, same goes with the buds. I'm expecting roughly the same results really. Also how big is the footprint of that plant? She kinda looks bigger than big suze herself, width wise. Depth it looks like we're working with the same figures.

Also i see u have little popcorn buds just above the screen. I'm trying big time to avoid this and instead end up with each branch having a nice chunky top cola. Cut all else off so the plant doesn't waste any energy on lower down stuff thats not baked in light.

Your canopy dropped slightly on the left due to the extra distance these branches would have had to grow away from the main stalk, compared to the right side of the plant. I've had similar issues, sort of.... tried to achieve the best i can but have struggled slightly.

Anyway whats ur expected yield? U even have any idea?

Big suze still has another good 5-7 weeks left to REALLY plump up. Trust me, the buds on the edge of the canopy are already huge for 28 days, i can't even imagin how big they're gona get in another potentially 7 weeks...

Fascinating grow! Read the whole damn thing! I have seen this scrog method once before at opengrow. Sannie did/does it. There are either pics there or at his seed site. He uses circular clips to tie it down. Allows a lot more freedom yet branch is still directed. I'll post the exact link if I run across it.
FINALY! Someone who seen something like this before! Would be hugely appreciated if you could dig up the link if u can find it, if not no worries, i'll probably do a bit of investigating myself. What are the chances i've chosen to try this with a Sannie's strain....

If this turns out like i hope it will, i'll have to give him a shout.

Anyway glad u liked the read, thanks for the support
 

stelthy

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Beautiful stelthy, some crazy lady u have there, to all others this kinda gives u an indication of what to expect in a few weeks time!

Did u purposely let her stretch a little? Only say that as some branches i see are really thin! Im wondering how they're stayin up.... Others look real nice and chunky, same goes with the buds. I'm expecting roughly the same results really. Also how big is the footprint of that plant? She kinda looks bigger than big suze herself, width wise. Depth it looks like we're working with the same figures.

Also i see u have little popcorn buds just above the screen. I'm trying big time to avoid this and instead end up with each branch having a nice chunky top cola. Cut all else off so the plant doesn't waste any energy on lower down stuff thats not baked in light.

Your canopy dropped slightly on the left due to the extra distance these branches would have had to grow away from the main stalk, compared to the right side of the plant. I've had similar issues, sort of.... tried to achieve the best i can but have struggled slightly.

Anyway whats ur expected yield? U even have any idea?

Big suze still has another good 5-7 weeks left to REALLY plump up. Trust me, the buds on the edge of the canopy are already huge for 28 days, i can't even imagin how big they're gona get in another potentially 7 weeks...



FINALY! Someone who seen something like this before! Would be hugely appreciated if you could dig up the link if u can find it, if not no worries, i'll probably do a bit of investigating myself. What are the chances i've chosen to try this with a Sannie's strain....

If this turns out like i hope it will, i'll have to give him a shout.

Anyway glad u liked the read, thanks for the support


Hi dude :) it was a slight accident that she stretched.. (I put her into Flower when the screen was well over 3/4 full) yeah some of the branches are thin but they are held up with all the other branches and leaf's around them.. the footprint is approx:- 2'.5" tall X 2' wide X 4' long :) I wasn't to fussed with trimming off the popcorn sites, as I deem this 'percy' :) :) I know the tops could be bigger if I was trim off the popcorns but to be honest I dont think its gonna be much of a problem once she is all 'cut n dried' :) my last plant/s (X3) ...1 big, 2 small yielded a total of 9.3 oZ so I am hoping to bust that with just the one plant this time! :) :) but anywhere over 7 oZ is good :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 

entz

Member
i like that you started tying down immediately. worst part about growing a scrog in other methods is waiting for the plant to reach the screen and then once it fills the screen the lower branches don't receive enough light to grow and it all has to be removed and it just feels like wasted grow time to me. i guess the plant would have more time to thicken up some of its branches on the way to the screen but others suffer due to competition...
 

Someguy15

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i like that you started tying down immediately. worst part about growing a scrog in other methods is waiting for the plant to reach the screen and then once it fills the screen the lower branches don't receive enough light to grow and it all has to be removed and it just feels like wasted grow time to me. i guess the plant would have more time to thicken up some of its branches on the way to the screen but others suffer due to competition...
Gotta time it just right. And cutting off some lower, shaded growth only make it push more energy into the fat tops you want. The competition between the plants is a good thing, the strongest survive and make the top canopy, the weak are culled.
 

lilindian

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Hi dude :) it was a slight accident that she stretched.. (I put her into Flower when the screen was well over 3/4 full) yeah some of the branches are thin but they are held up with all the other branches and leaf's around them.. the footprint is approx:- 2'.5" tall X 2' wide X 4' long :) I wasn't to fussed with trimming off the popcorn sites, as I deem this 'percy' :) :) I know the tops could be bigger if I was trim off the popcorns but to be honest I dont think its gonna be much of a problem once she is all 'cut n dried' :) my last plant/s (X3) ...1 big, 2 small yielded a total of 9.3 oZ so I am hoping to bust that with just the one plant this time! :) :) but anywhere over 7 oZ is good :) - STELTHY :leaf:

Yeh makes sense, thats how a lot of my branching is being held up so far. Damn your plant is a good foot wider than mine! So ive got loads more branching in a smaller space. The fact that you never encountered mould or anything gave me hope until i read that. Oh well! I'm almost certain u'll pull off over 9.3oz man, 100% over 7oz. Percy shouldn't be popcorn buds! should be the best stuff on ur girl!

Okay... this is a link to Sannie's scrog I referenced above. Is several years old I believe.
http://www.sanniesshop.com/scrog-growing.html
Few minor differences in technique but indeed pretttty much exactly the same! How did i not come across this sooner. The size of some of the cola's in his scrog picture is makin me a little more optomistic, they're quite chunky but at the same time very closely bunched.

Cheers for that

i like that you started tying down immediately. worst part about growing a scrog in other methods is waiting for the plant to reach the screen and then once it fills the screen the lower branches don't receive enough light to grow and it all has to be removed and it just feels like wasted grow time to me. i guess the plant would have more time to thicken up some of its branches on the way to the screen but others suffer due to competition...
I only initially put the screen straight on the pot and started training immediately as i couldn't be bothered to wait for the plant to grow up to it! Wanted to get the scrog started ASAP. I tied down branches immediately for several reasons, one of which is that it's easier to sort out everything when branches are small thin and pliable. And so that nodes are exposed to light. I'm expecting a few massive cola's on this plant, specifically at the end of a certain generation of branching. 14 weeks of veg enables some branches to get pretttty thick indeed. So i'm expecting chunky buds on em.

Gotta time it just right. And cutting off some lower, shaded growth only make it push more energy into the fat tops you want. The competition between the plants is a good thing, the strongest survive and make the top canopy, the weak are culled.
I agree, even last week i found some branches that had failed to properly find their place at canopy level and as a result had failed to grow to a decent size and make the cut, so i snipped them off, even in week 4, no point in the plant wasting energy on branches like this! Removed about 3 of such branches.
 

C.Indica

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Why no more dailys?
That's no fair! Hogging up all the good moments after so much fucking suspense!

Ahhhhh!!!!

Please lilindian? At least every other day?
:leaf:
 

lilindian

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Why no more dailys?
That's no fair! Hogging up all the good moments after so much fucking suspense!

Ahhhhh!!!!

Please lilindian? At least every other day?
:leaf:
maaaaybe since u asked so nicely, might give little sneak peaks throughout the week with a proper update weekly...
 

lilindian

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Deal.

Yeh it seems like i've been growing her for-ever...

Anyway, does anyone have any info regarding waxy leaves? Thinking mine are heading down this route, im hearing its an early sign of over ferting... Any light shed on this would be hugely appreciated.

Maybe its something to do with cold temps? I duno, i got a heater which will be used from tmrw.
 

budbro18

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  • Right so i've named this plant "Big Suze", she's my big suze...


    PROBLEMS THIS WEEK

  • Anyway, big suze had quite a bad week really, she's been through a lot, starting the week with a lockout, which made me flush her with approx 80L of water, more than enough as organic nutes wash out easier. The leaves were yellowing quite a lot, and as i hadn't checked up on her before the lights came on for a few days in a row, the HPS hid the problem for a couple days. The last flush was more of a really really light feed of calmag (half strength) and supervit.

    The next day i checked up on her to find the yellowing had slowed down but was still spreading slightly, starting off in the middle of the canopy and working its way to the edges (ends of main branches). So i concluded as a flush had helped but not solved the problem, maybe its now a deficiency. Anyway i fed her full strength flower nutes + Topmax + Organic B + Silicon + and low and behold the next day she's pushing out some of the healthiest leaves i've ever grown! So so dark and cool and generally super healthy. I've seen plants with leaves like this on the forum but always thought it was the camera making them look so deep dark green but its not... Anyway I'll probably give her another good feed today of exactly the same stuff.

    The yellowed leaves that weren't gona recover and were shading super green healthy leaves below were removed, thats why the branches in the middle of the canopy look thinner and less plump than ones near the edge of the canopy that the yellowing didn't have a chance to reach before i figured out what was going on.

    ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY I SHOULD INVEST IN A PH METER! All week i've been guessing whats up with suze, i'm just fortunate enough to have guessed right.

    Anyway the damage is done now and she's well on the road to recovery. Plenty of overly healthy new growth. I'll continue to trim off yellow leaves when i see them, today i didn't have time but yeh.

    Only the tips of smaller leaves are the real noticeable bits of yellowing, with the odd fan leaf here or there. Everyday she gets a little greener as new growth gets bigger and i cut a few more tips off.



    CHANGES TO SCREEN/BRANCHING


  • This week i also untied a lot of the branches and/or pulled them up and off their ties in an effort to flatten the canopy up a bit and get rid of the hump in the middle. As i did this i noticed just how little of the canopy is actually tied down to the screen, and how much of the screen was being wasted. For this reason i chose to systematically dismantle as much of the screen as i could in an effort to improve air flow under/through the canopy, and to make space for the fan i've now placed there.

  • Removing big chunks of my screen also enabled me for the first time gain proper access to the top of my pot and the main stalk. I'm struggling to illustrate just how thick this stalk is...... I'm hoping when u can see the whole plant and all the other branches it puts it into perspective just what a BEAST this stalk is..... its a trunk, i'd say easily an inch in diameter...

  • Gaining access to the top of the soil also helped me clear out any old decaying leaves that had fallen through the screen and up till now were either extremely hard to access or had gone under a layer of soil after numerous waterings. Anyway i removed a lot of shit from the top of the soil, lots of dead leaves with little white dots on them... mould maybe? Either way they've all been removed and everythin now looks super clean and neat. Watering will be a walk in the park now, no more sticking hoses through the canopy.



    UPGRADES

  • SO i decided to stick another 125W CFL in there to bring up the total wattage i'm running to 850W. In the pics it kinda looks like they're blocking quite a lot of the HPS light from reaching the branches behind the bulb, but once the doors are shut and the cab has that reflective face to it again, those branches receive PLENTY of red and blue light.

  • After a week of trying to get hold of a stupid Mega-Ray 60W bulb + external ballast, i've had no luck. It seems 1 person in the whole of the UK stock these things, and they're almost impossible to get a hold of, so ive given up for the time being. I'm still dead set on introducing some UVB light in my cab as i'm completely sold on it, its just a case of getting the money together to buy a 26" tube (26W i think) + reflector and set it up on the back-side of my cab, shining down. Will be purchased in the next few weeks hopefully.

  • The sputnik reflector i'd been using all the way up till now has been removed and swapped for a cool tube. Why? Because i believe in a space as small as mine, a cool tube would offer a much better light spread than a big reflector that has to be angled. Also in a cool-tube, my inline fan blowing over the bulb will be miles more effective as its blowing air directly over and past the bulb, instead of over the bulb and around the inside of the reflector. This should mean less heat coming from the reflector and therefore i can sit the light lower = more lumens for all the tops.


    Using this cool-tube has also created a lot more space in my cab, useful for all my extra additional lighting. For example, now its actually quite easily feasible to put a tubed UV light/reflector behind the cool tube. Before there was no way a tube + reflector would fit in there.


    GENERAL WEEKLY INFO

  • Cab temps: Lights on 24-27C Lights off 17-20C

  • Under canopy fan has been moved to blow through the canopy from left to right as apose to just straight up. Much more effective here, there is good breeze felt at soil level.

  • Come this time next week if all goes well, there should be plenty of thick dark green foliage, bigger buds, and nothing yellow in sight! This update is a good one, but next weeks should be killer!

  • Nearly forgot to mention, she's getting sticky and smelly! Smells DELICIOUS, quite minty yet sweet. Trichs are popping up everywhere, and maintenance is now resulting in sticky hands!

  • The buds growing around the edges of the canopy i.e. a certain generation of branching, the buds are SO much bigger than the ones in the middle of the canopy. I'm sure this is partially down to the yellowing/trimming off of leaves (plants can't photosynthesise as much therefore put as much energy into growing) and partially due to the generation of branching.

    Again, something this grow has opened my eyes to. Slowly i'm learning how to train to achieve exactly what i want. Next grow will be a immense now i know what i'm doing.

































































Hope you enjoyed!
Lookin good!

i saw you put the air pot in upside down but youre lucky because you have that bucket top to keep water from pouring out the side

keep up the good work and watch out for THA MOLD hahaha it creeps up on the best of us.
 

C.Indica

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Cold Temps bring out Cystolith (Spellcheck?) hairs.

Don't know about the waxy leaves.

I always notice people's leaves in flowering seem to "shine" more than usual.
 
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