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Vikerus Forrest

Vikerus Forrest

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I've read a large portion of the temporary rule published on the state website and have some serious concerns to voice.

First and foremost is the amount and detail of information being required by the application process. From everything I've read it seems like a very large database is being created on all cannabis related business. Which spells prices fixing and insider knowledge when cannabis hits markets and the stocks exchange is involved. Betting on futures will be simple... for those working for the state... If you have not read the very strangly specific requirements on security systems. Do it now. https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/TemporaryMarijuanaRules_adopted_102215.pdf

Second and just as disturbing. The prices of licensing and fees attributed to it. They are in a single word, predatory. $5000 for each accepted license? And fees up to and above $100 for late entry? What is this? By my estimation this means that cartel fronts will in the best position to start up and will quickly out pace mom and pops who have to build up capitol just to get into the field.

If money is what they want. Do it the right way. Let the supplier supply what is in demand and collect the taxes. By making crazy entry fees the state is actually slowing the potential grow of revenue (fewer people will be on the tax for longer). Can't the people making this happen realize that?

Please leave your thoughts on this situation. I think we have some real issues ahead.
 
Vikerus Forrest

Vikerus Forrest

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If you're wondering my qualifications to speak on such a level about the collection of data. I am a website developer among many things and can see quite clearly the value in such things being required. Be smart people, the game never ends.

As a great man once said: "...The important thing is to not stop questioning. Curiosity has it's own purpose for existing..."
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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Lmao. You should list your conspiracy theory credentials.

The state needs detailed information for a variety of reasons, from background checks, funding sources, and STC system entry. Their requirements are along the lines of other states with rec weed.

Predatory fees? The olcc is a non profit entity, the fees are used to run the program. If they find the fees are too high then they will reduce them. By state law, they can't actually make money.

Despite this.. bitching about paying 5k for the ability to net over a million in profits for the year... now THAT is classic.
 
shanepdx

shanepdx

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It is the OLCC! What else would you expect? They still think alcohol prohibition just ended! I'm just glad they are nor doing it as strict as liquor, i.e. having to ship all product through their central warehouse and "lease" one of the OLCC retail stores and sell at fixed prices. Could be worse. $5k for each license is just a small cost if doing business compared to the security requirements and the software that you are forced to pay a monthly license fee. They are creating a situation with high barriers to entry and as a result will keep the black market thriving, exactly opposite of what they claimed the goals were in the beginning. Typical democrat run government.
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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Vikerus Forrest said:
I've read a large portion of the temporary rule published on the state website and have some serious concerns to voice.

First and foremost is the amount and detail of information being required by the application process. From everything I've read it seems like a very large database is being created on all cannabis related business. Which spells prices fixing and insider knowledge when cannabis hits markets and the stocks exchange is involved. Betting on futures will be simple... for those working for the state... If you have not read the very strangly specific requirements on security systems. Do it now. https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Documents/TemporaryMarijuanaRules_adopted_102215.pdf

Second and just as disturbing. The prices of licensing and fees attributed to it. They are in a single word, predatory. $5000 for each accepted license? And fees up to and above $100 for late entry? What is this? By my estimation this means that cartel fronts will in the best position to start up and will quickly out pace mom and pops who have to build up capitol just to get into the field.

If money is what they want. Do it the right way. Let the supplier supply what is in demand and collect the taxes. By making crazy entry fees the state is actually slowing the potential grow of revenue (fewer people will be on the tax for longer). Can't the people making this happen realize that?

Please leave your thoughts on this situation. I think we have some real issues ahead.
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Issues, ya we got issues. I have been following this very closely. Tomorrow, in Me ford is the OLCC's attempt to blow the heads off a bunch of growers. They have created Barriers to entry that will be overwhelming to some. I'm not surprised as I have been listening to the audio of the committee meetings ( I attended the first few) I still laughing out loud about all the so called consultants selling advice on policy that although has been written, is still temporary. Thanks MPP.:(
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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legallyflying said:
Lmao. You should list your conspiracy theory credentials.

The state needs detailed information for a variety of reasons, from background checks, funding sources, and STC system entry. Their requirements are along the lines of other states with rec weed.

Predatory fees? The olcc is a non profit entity, the fees are used to run the program. If they find the fees are too high then they will reduce them. By state law, they can't actually make money.

Despite this.. bitching about paying 5k for the ability to net over a million in profits for the year... now THAT is classic.
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The $5000. for a Grower permit would not be my redress. There are separate $5000 permits for each business model. A person or entity who wants to grow and sell and concentrate is looking at $15,000 up front. Not to mention the plethora of other financial requirements. I'm a grower, I am far more concerned with the requirements for the registration of Batches/ and flow charts and all of the absurd paperwork that will go into the process and removal of each dead clone. ( will they require funerals) LoL. Anyway, I really don't think a lot of the B.S will stand the test of time. However, there are a lot of Mom and Pops that are just not going to be able to participate and that is sad. :( The land use issues will be another hurdle.
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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Well, I just came from the big meeting. There were 400 chairs and 500 people. I don't regret going because the gang was all there but It was just a Power Point presentation of what is already posted on the web site. They did reaffirm to the crowd what I posted the other day, "these are temporary rules" Anyway, it's all over but the shouting. I still feel that all of this is historical, and I feel privileged to be here at this time in this place.
 

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Honestly, the OLCC is doing a pretty good job. Of course there are barriers to entry. There are barriers to entry for any real occupation or business. You can't even plant landscape plants in Oregon without a license. Oh, the mom and pops..boo hoo. What did you expect was going to happen? Do mom and pop operations make liqueur for the retail market? How about cigarettes? Or even food for that matter. There will be some tweaking of the rules, but not a whole lot. the OLCC has a tremendous task at hand, and is not going to keep changing the system t make more work for themselves. And people bithcing because they ca't find a way into the system, or cant afford it.. those peoples voices will get softer and softer as the recreationl market becomes established and rides off into the distance.

There are hoops, and if you want to play the game then you have to jump through said hoops.. sorry to break it t people... but that is actually how the world works. Yes, there are some huge bi money operations but there are also mid scale operations like ours hat folow the rules, get the permits and still make a profit. A pretty good damn profit actually.

It i comical that people are wasting their energy bitching about all the changes. I spent 6 hours yesterday go to this office and that office, paying this fee, getting this certificate, etc. It may sound dickish, but I say bring it on. Bring it fucking on. FINALLY we will see an end to people selling weed laced with tons of chemicals and mold and mountains of outdoor schwag weed leaving the state in the back of u hauls.

The really funny thing is that most of these so called "marijuana professionals" think that getting the permits and growing is going to be the hard part. I got news for you, actually selling your product is going to be the hard part. There is going to be ALLOT of people staring at bags full of sub par weed with CTS bar codes on them just begging dispensaries to buy them. Sure, you can sell machine trimmed outdoor to people in Minnesota or Kansas, etc. But in these parts, all the dispensaries have like two or max, three jars of "sun grown" bud.
 
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john rickman

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legallyflying said:
Honestly, the OLCC is doing a pretty good job. Of course there are barriers to entry. There are barriers to entry for any real occupation or business. You can't even plant landscape plants in Oregon without a license. Oh, the mom and pops..boo hoo. What did you expect was going to happen? Do mom and pop operations make liqueur for the retail market? How about cigarettes? Or even food for that matter. There will be some tweaking of the rules, but not a whole lot. the OLCC has a tremendous task at hand, and is not going to keep changing the system t make more work for themselves. And people bithcing because they ca't find a way into the system, or cant afford it.. those peoples voices will get softer and softer as the recreationl market becomes established and rides off into the distance.

There are hoops, and if you want to play the game then you have to jump through said hoops.. sorry to break it t people... but that is actually how the world works. Yes, there are some huge bi money operations but there are also mid scale operations like ours hat folow the rules, get the permits and still make a profit. A pretty good damn profit actually.

It i comical that people are wasting their energy bitching about all the changes. I spent 6 hours yesterday go to this office and that office, paying this fee, getting this certificate, etc. It may sound dickish, but I say bring it on. Bring it fucking on. FINALLY we will see an end to people selling weed laced with tons of chemicals and mold and mountains of outdoor schwag weed leaving the state in the back of u hauls.

The really funny thing is that most of these so called "marijuana professionals" think that getting the permits and growing is going to be the hard part. I got news for you, actually selling your product is going to be the hard part. There is going to be ALLOT of people staring at bags full of sub par weed with CTS bar codes on them just begging dispensaries to buy them. Sure, you can sell machine trimmed outdoor to people in Minnesota or Kansas, etc. But in these parts, all the dispensaries have like two or max, three jars of "sun grown" bud.
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Very well said, but i question the part about growers having to beg to sale to dispensaries. I like how this is all going from a growers view. It is really showing who has what? But even guys with shit weed have the oil and street to sale too. Lots of street in all those states. Im to old for that any more, but let me tell ya in the day…..lol…We are selling out and getting all the lis. and permits we need.
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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john rickman said:
Very well said, but i question the part about growers having to beg to sale to dispensaries. I like how this is all going from a growers view. It is really showing who has what? But even guys with shit weed have the oil and street to sale too. Lots of street in all those states. Im to old for that any more, but let me tell ya in the day…..lol…We are selling out and getting all the lis. and permits we need.
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Sadly, Illegally flying is quite correct (in my opinion) we have some philosophical differences, but I think he is quite correct. Fortunately, I'm all dialed in. I too am enjoying the testing. However, I did have an altruistic vision of how it should be. Probably because I was there. I've attended a lot of B.S. meetings and hearings. Put on hundreds of MMJ clinics and gathered thousands of signature over the years. I would hate to see certain entities get a foot hold.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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It's all good Gardner. Honestly, I think it's easy for many to think that bigger companies somehow are evil or don't have any concerns about their patients or customers or that the "little guy" is going to get trampled.

My thought is that it is not the little guy that is screwed but the guy who has been busy taking dabs and hoping for the best. I honestly consider us pretty small and we are pulling around 60-70# of dispensory marketable flower a month.

As you are aware, those that have been busting their fucking ass and staying on top of things and adjusting to the regulations will be fine. People trying to find loop holes or concentrating on what they don't like about the rules... well, that is not going to be very fruitful.

We went to the Bend meeting. My favorite question... which took up like 10 precious minutes was

" how am I expected to pay the 4k application fee online if I can't legally have a bank"

She went on and on and on about it. And peopl3 wete clapping and cheering. As if, in some parrellel universe the OLCC has some sway eith the FDIC.

My partner leans over to me and says "lady, if you have been in this business for any length of time and don't know how to get some cash into the banking system, you are fucked on soo many levels".

I said "I think I would go with grocery store money orders", he said, "pre paid visa for the win". Then I said, maybe I should tell her to try and put the cash in an old disk drive as if it was an atm.
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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legallyflying said:
It's all good Gardner. Honestly, I think it's easy for many to think that bigger companies somehow are evil or don't have any concerns about their patients or customers or that the "little guy" is going to get trampled.

My thought is that it is not the little guy that is screwed but the guy who has been busy taking dabs and hoping for the best. I honestly consider us pretty small and we are pulling around 60-70# of dispensory marketable flower a month.

As you are aware, those that have been busting their fucking ass and staying on top of things and adjusting to the regulations will be fine. People trying to find loop holes or concentrating on what they don't like about the rules... well, that is not going to be very fruitful.

We went to the Bend meeting. My favorite question... which took up like 10 precious minutes was

" how am I expected to pay the 4k application fee online if I can't legally have a bank"

She went on and on and on about it. And peopl3 wete clapping and cheering. As if, in some parrellel universe the OLCC has some sway eith the FDIC.

My partner leans over to me and says "lady, if you have been in this business for any length of time and don't know how to get some cash into the banking system, you are fucked on soo many levels".

I said "I think I would go with grocery store money orders", he said, "pre paid visa for the win". Then I said, maybe I should tell her to try and put the cash in an old disk drive as if it was an atm.
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Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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I defiantly get that. The stupid questions. The Feds came out and told everybody, (loosely paraphrased) "Don't tell us what you are doing, pay your taxes and shut the F' up" I think I have a letter around here somewhere that says that. We had the same problem with Cynthia Willis (who I adore) but all she had to do was check the no box on her concealed weapons permit. She went looking for a fight and got it. What if she would have lost a the Supreme Court?Also the O'l lady ( clearly on your side) said, "That was a crowded room, where were all those hippies when we were working our asses off" ???? She reminded me of this event we threw where we had almost as many cops as activists. There were some donations, I but I paid out of pocket for some of it.
 

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Good times. Are you in Portland? I went down to building development services to get my land use compatibility statement and they were like... oh, you have to go to the office of neighborhood involvement for that..ok.

I go down there, they say, you have to get a city of portland marijuana license. "Oh, sorry, I thought I told you, we are not a dispensary, we have a production facility". "well, the city has a permit for that as well". "umm, since when? "like two weeks ago.. there is a lottery for having your application reviewed, would you like to register?".

Sure, and can I have a copy of the application, oh, BTW, how much is the license? $500 to have it reviewed 2k when you get it.

Sighh..

So I have to get my city permit, then they will approve me to have my LUCS done, then I have to take that BACK to building development services and get them to issued my LUCS... so that I can apply to the OLCC for our license. :)

The bigger issue... what are we going to do with our mature plants when the OLCC says "ok, we are going to inspect you and approve you for a license on X date". Someone is going to be renting a u haul LOL. I can see it now.. craigslist for sale... 96 6 foot tall plants in week 5 of flower...
 
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john rickman

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legallyflying said:
It's all good Gardner. Honestly, I think it's easy for many to think that bigger companies somehow are evil or don't have any concerns about their patients or customers or that the "little guy" is going to get trampled.

My thought is that it is not the little guy that is screwed but the guy who has been busy taking dabs and hoping for the best. I honestly consider us pretty small and we are pulling around 60-70# of dispensory marketable flower a month.

As you are aware, those that have been busting their fucking ass and staying on top of things and adjusting to the regulations will be fine. People trying to find loop holes or concentrating on what they don't like about the rules... well, that is not going to be very fruitful.

We went to the Bend meeting. My favorite question... which took up like 10 precious minutes was

" how am I expected to pay the 4k application fee online if I can't legally have a bank"

She went on and on and on about it. And peopl3 wete clapping and cheering. As if, in some parrellel universe the OLCC has some sway eith the FDIC.

My partner leans over to me and says "lady, if you have been in this business for any length of time and don't know how to get some cash into the banking system, you are fucked on soo many levels".

I said "I think I would go with grocery store money orders", he said, "pre paid visa for the win". Then I said, maybe I should tell her to try and put the cash in an old disk drive as if it was an atm.
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We did a little over 1500lb last year we consider ourself small fry as well. And you are so right about that stupid bitch, i wanted to yell…SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU NOOB…We also have been to all the meetings and some of those people are so fucking stupid, with out food stamps they could not even feed them self. And they think they will compete in this market, lol..all that will happen to all them is lose money getting scammed over and over again and again. We got into OMMP about 6 years ago and it has been a real learning lesson to us, so many low life loser scammers in it we got schooled a lot. In the old days you just never felt with losers like that, now you sort of have too. But we have learned and grown and have learned who we can work with and who are the fake two face hypocrite fucks out there. Just like I'm sure all you have. I use to trust a lot more before all this now i trust NO ONE IN OMMP.
 
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john rickman

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legallyflying said:
Good times. Are you in Portland? I went down to building development services to get my land use compatibility statement and they were like... oh, you have to go to the office of neighborhood involvement for that..ok.

I go down there, they say, you have to get a city of portland marijuana license. "Oh, sorry, I thought I told you, we are not a dispensary, we have a production facility". "well, the city has a permit for that as well". "umm, since when? "like two weeks ago.. there is a lottery for having your application reviewed, would you like to register?".

Sure, and can I have a copy of the application, oh, BTW, how much is the license? $500 to have it reviewed 2k when you get it.

Sighh..

So I have to get my city permit, then they will approve me to have my LUCS done, then I have to take that BACK to building development services and get them to issued my LUCS... so that I can apply to the OLCC for our license. :)

The bigger issue... what are we going to do with our mature plants when the OLCC says "ok, we are going to inspect you and approve you for a license on X date". Someone is going to be renting a u haul LOL. I can see it now.. craigslist for sale... 96 6 foot tall plants in week 5 of flower...
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been there done that…lol…its still all a honor system and when I'm dealing with the government who has no honor all bets are off.
 
Oregon Gardener

Oregon Gardener

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legallyflying said:
Good times. Are you in Portland? I went down to building development services to get my land use compatibility statement and they were like... oh, you have to go to the office of neighborhood involvement for that..ok.

I go down there, they say, you have to get a city of portland marijuana license. "Oh, sorry, I thought I told you, we are not a dispensary, we have a production facility". "well, the city has a permit for that as well". "umm, since when? "like two weeks ago.. there is a lottery for having your application reviewed, would you like to register?".

Sure, and can I have a copy of the application, oh, BTW, how much is the license? $500 to have it reviewed 2k when you get it.

Sighh..

So I have to get my city permit, then they will approve me to have my LUCS done, then I have to take that BACK to building development services and get them to issued my LUCS... so that I can apply to the OLCC for our license. :)

The bigger issue... what are we going to do with our mature plants when the OLCC says "ok, we are going to inspect you and approve you for a license on X date". Someone is going to be renting a u haul LOL. I can see it now.. craigslist for sale... 96 6 foot tall plants in week 5 of flower...
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On M*A*S*H* they called it :Bugging out" Actually, We are in Southern Oregon. We are outdoor and indoor growers. I have two sites here, but eventually see one of them will be zoned out (pardon the pun) In the meantime we are going to have a lot of fun with it. I'm not filling for a rec grower. permit until next year. I want to see what's going to happen. As I said, I'm all dialed in. We don't make land payments, just taxes. We are going hard core into the concentrate French Canollie/ Oil business. ( not my idea) and my daughter will be returning from the University with the degree necessary to operate a testing facility.(my idea) The future is going to be very interesting. Actually, I don't drink but all this has got me thinking about a regular liquor licensee .LoL.
 
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