organic doesnt seem to be organic anymore

i want to do an organic grow, but not a grow that is the exact same as a chemical nutrient grow but with all ' certified organic bloomers' and whatnot - b.s. to me, although yes i no it works well.
so my question is, does anyone have any tips on a way to really grow organic from home waste and supplies - currrently I have a compost pile starting, and I have been looking up what foods are rich in what nutrients
urine for nitrogen
most vegetables for phosphorous and potassium
calcium from eggshells
as well as many things such as half-used tea leaves and greens

oh, and the pile is on/in the side of a dead and rotting stump in my backyard thought that was clever
I am scared about gettin enough nutrients, so if anyone knows of a home natural process that would help my basically hippie intention here (yea, whatever ill admit it) i would greatly appreciate some sharing
+rep for info

look in to kelp.

get some composting red worms


thats really all i know you can get yourself unless you have pet bats.

There are lots of good sites on composting take the time to google them.
You didn't mention leaves wood chips etc. Your pile should be mostly comprised of carbon materials like this. I add a little bone meal, blood meal, alfalfa meal and lime,along with the table scraps and yard debris. Turn it regularly and keep it moist to speed things up.
After it is composted have it analyzed by your county extension/cooperative office then you'll know just what you need to do next time.
Good luck.

snew said:

There are lots of good sites on composting take the time to google them.
You didn't mention leaves wood chips etc. Your pile should be mostly comprised of carbon materials like this. I add a little bone meal, blood meal, alfalfa meal and lime,along with the table scraps and yard debris. Turn it regularly and keep it moist to speed things up.
After it is composted have it analyzed by your county extension/cooperative office then you'll know just what you need to do next time.
Good luck.

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as far as leaves and wood chips, its got a few leaves, and plentyyyyy of wood chips - i didnt just put it next to the stump, i dug out the side of it and chipped up all the wood so its mixed in

Compost is the basis of a good organic grow. Also remember there are some very good organic fertilizers out there to supplement the compost. Fox Farms makes some very good dry organic fertilizers and a little goes a long way.





Good luck and good growing.

BuddhaBud said:

as far as leaves and wood chips, its got a few leaves, and plentyyyyy of wood chips - i didnt just put it next to the stump, i dug out the side of it and chipped up all the wood so its mixed in

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You want about 75% brown or carbon material. If you don't you will have anaerobic not aerobic decomposition . It will stink any not produce healthy compost. You can pick up leaves and dried grass from neighbors. Its the easy cheap stuff to find. If you must buy peat moss. My compost will not be ready for my vegetable garden so i'll use peat and manure. I'll buy compost manure but if I had a large enough area I would get some manure from local farmers.
Good luck

Johnnyorganic said:

Compost is the basis of a good organic grow. Also remember there are some very good organic fertilizers out there to supplement the compost. Fox Farms makes some very good dry organic fertilizers and a little goes a long way.

Good luck and good growing.

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you know i was really wantin to see how far i could get just doin it at home personal food waste and go without buying an actual fertilizer, but i feel like its likely ill run into a deficiency and based on the look of those boxes, and your name, that brand might comin into the mix
thanks!

but mostly yall im also still lookin for tips of at home stuff

BuddhaBud said:

you know i was really wantin to see how far i could get just doin it at home personal food waste and go without buying an actual fertilizer, but i feel like its likely ill run into a deficiency and based on the look of those boxes, and your name, that brand might comin into the mix
thanks!

but mostly yall im also still lookin for tips of at home stuff

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...how about an organic tea?

What you'll need:

Seabird guano, bat guano, earth worm castings, kelp meal (or liquid seaweed), molessas, a bubble stone and bubble pump, a paint strainer. 5 gallon bucket.

What to do:

Get a couple of gallons of water from tap....let set on bubbles over night to dechlorinize it, then pH balance the water to 6.5....take a couple tablespoons of each (worm castings, seabird, bat, kelp, molessas) and put inside paint strainer and tie shut...hang the mix over the bubble stone to make movement/activity in the water....let set for 24-48 hours....put 2 cups of this per gallon to new dechlorinized pH balanced water, then water in once weekly.

...you'll want to back up off of the earthworm castings and the seabird guano in mid flower to eliminate nitrogen avalibility.

...the molessas and liquid seaweed are liquid , however, still use table spoon measurements.

...stop giving tea @ weeks 5 for an 8 week strain, or allow a couple weeks to flush (not so important organically but, I prefer to save the $)

Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue: 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste: 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05 Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomato Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5

borage: silica, phosphorus.
chamomile: calcium, potassium, phosphorus.
comfrey: silica, nitrogen, magnesium, calcium, potassium, iron.
fennel: sodium, sulphur, potassium.
horsetail: silica, magnesium, calcium, iron, cobolt.
nasturtiums: sodium, flourine, sulphur, magnesium, calcium, potassium, phosphorus, iron.
nettles: sodium, sulphur, nitrogen, calcium, potassium, iron, copper.
primrose: magnesium
spurges: boron
vetches: nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, copper, cobolt.
yarrow: nitrogen, potassium, phosphorus, copper.

Yarrow (Iron, Lime, Potash, Soda, Phosphorus, Sulphur, Nitrates)
* Chamomile (Potash, Lime, Phosphorus, Sulphur)
* Dandelion (Iron, Soda, Potash, Phosphorus)
* Oak bark (Potash, Lime)
* Valerian (Formic Acid, Acetic Acid)
* Nettle (Oil, Formic Acid, Ammonia, Carbonic Acid, Iron)
* Honey (Glucose)

Flowering bin

Potato skins
Apple skins and cores
Cucumber skins
Coffee grounds
Citrus skins
Kiwi skins
String bean scraps

Flowering treat

Workin' on it, so far...
Ground dried fruit seeds
Crushed egg shells
Fruit skin ash
Ground dried seaweed
Sand or Granite dust when I have it.

Vegging bin

Hair and fur (from my house only)
Nail trimmings (same as above)
Tea bags
Coffee grounds
Salad greens
"Bell" pepper scraps
Mushroom stem scraps
Asparagus scraps
Banana skins

Vegging treat

Ground dried veggie seeds
Crushed egg shells
Ground barley
Rolled oats
Hominy grits
Ground nut shells
Ground dried seaweed
Sand or Granite dust



.......Hope that helps ya out!

make sure to let your compost sit long enough... It happens that pests and disease occure when people use their own compost due to what ingredients are in the compost... a good way to give the compost to your plants is by making tea out of it...
Bat guano is an absolute must... Itll really show you the full potential of your plant...
There are some EC and SKAL certified liquid ferts available that work wonders... Like Canna's biocanna line of products... They also correct the ph of your watering solution.... Seen as your probably gonna want to use all available organic amendments you have in your household you dont want too products to use... Canna is only 3 bottles fore bloom phase and its very mild, so you can really go at it with all the other stuff youll have.. like compost tea, guano tea, molasses, etc....

For pest control you can make a nicotine spray, either from fresh tobacco leafs or dried ready to smoke tobacco...
Good luck,

happy growin

blue mountain organics. ebay. win

BuddhaBud said:

you know i was really wantin to see how far i could get just doin it at home personal food waste and go without buying an actual fertilizer, but i feel like its likely ill run into a deficiency and based on the look of those boxes, and your name, that brand might comin into the mix
thanks!

but mostly yall im also still lookin for tips of at home stuff

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I understand and applaud your desire to do it with compost alone.

Commercial organic mixes provide the extras that compost cannot. This option is much easier and less time consuming, not to mention less expensive; than mixing your own fertilizer blend.

Each box is roughly the size of a cereal box and sells for $7.99 at my hydro store. It takes me a while to run through a box.

The tomato blend is good for vegging and the fruit blend is good for flowering.

thanks yall, i think i might just be able to make this shit happen nicely!
will keep yall posted with a link if i ever get to startin a journal

trichlone fiend said:

Flowering bin

Potato skins
Apple skins and cores
Cucumber skins
Coffee grounds
Citrus skins
Kiwi skins
String bean scraps

Flowering treat

Workin' on it, so far...
Ground dried fruit seeds
Crushed egg shells
Fruit skin ash
Ground dried seaweed
Sand or Granite dust when I have it.

Vegging bin

Hair and fur (from my house only)
Nail trimmings (same as above)
Tea bags
Coffee grounds
Salad greens
"Bell" pepper scraps
Mushroom stem scraps
Asparagus scraps
Banana skins

Vegging treat

Ground dried veggie seeds
Crushed egg shells
Ground barley
Rolled oats
Hominy grits
Ground nut shells
Ground dried seaweed
Sand or Granite dust



.......Hope that helps ya out!

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fuckin great info man, thanks
- how do you apply the veggin and flowering 'treats', just suspend in water... or mix in the soil durin a transplant..

...awe man, I copy and pasted that, I would give credit, but it's from another site similar to this one, which wouldn't be cool to RIU. I'll see if he mentions anything on that when I get a minute.

trichlone fiend said:

...awe man, I copy and pasted that, I would give credit, but it's from another site similar to this one, which wouldn't be cool to RIU. I'll see if he mentions anything on that when I get a minute.

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eh, u showed it to me so i give u the credit, haha they probly just got it off another site anyways
-let me know, thanks!

jahtrip said:

make sure to let your compost sit long enough... It happens that pests and disease occure when people use their own compost due to what ingredients are in the compost... a good way to give the compost to your plants is by making tea out of it...
Bat guano is an absolute must... Itll really show you the full potential of your plant...
There are some EC and SKAL certified liquid ferts available that work wonders... Like Canna's biocanna line of products... They also correct the ph of your watering solution.... Seen as your probably gonna want to use all available organic amendments you have in your household you dont want too products to use... Canna is only 3 bottles fore bloom phase and its very mild, so you can really go at it with all the other stuff youll have.. like compost tea, guano tea, molasses, etc....

For pest control you can make a nicotine spray, either from fresh tobacco leafs or dried ready to smoke tobacco...
Good luck,

happy growin

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oh I have actually been running across some stuff on fertilizer teas, and i think that might be my best bet for supplementing my babies with nutrients - just dont wanna go out n buy a bubble machine and all that equipment
definitely gonna look into either making one or tea by stirring, or just buy one

- oh, n thanks for being one of two or three that actually realize the point of this thread is --I DONT WANT TO USE/BUY BRAND ORGANICS -dont care if theyre on ebay or theyre fox farm or everyone on RUI is on the bandwagon, IM TRYING TO DO IT AT HOME ONLY -pretend i live in fuckin africa or sumthin guys, no walmarts

BuddhaBud said:

oh I have actually been running across some stuff on fertilizer teas, and i think that might be my best bet for supplementing my babies with nutrients - just dont wanna go out n buy a bubble machine and all that equipment
definitely gonna look into either making one or tea by stirring, or just buy one

- oh, n thanks for being one of two or three that actually realize the point of this thread is --I DONT WANT TO USE/BUY BRAND ORGANICS -dont care if theyre on ebay or theyre fox farm or everyone on RUI is on the bandwagon, IM TRYING TO DO IT AT HOME ONLY -pretend i live in fuckin africa or sumthin guys, no walmarts

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The products I suggested are dry organic fertilizers, not nutes.

Apparently I misinterpreted your OP. Sorry I butted in.

Unsubscribed.

trichlone fiend said:

...how about an organic tea?

What you'll need:

Seabird guano, bat guano, earth worm castings, kelp meal (or liquid seaweed), molessas, a bubble stone and bubble pump, a paint strainer. 5 gallon bucket.

What to do:

Get a couple of gallons of water from tap....let set on bubbles over night to dechlorinize it, then pH balance the water to 6.5....take a couple tablespoons of each (worm castings, seabird, bat, kelp, molessas) and put inside paint strainer and tie shut...hang the mix over the bubble stone to make movement/activity in the water....let set for 24-48 hours....put 2 cups of this per gallon to new dechlorinized pH balanced water, then water in once weekly.

...you'll want to back up off of the earthworm castings and the seabird guano in mid flower to eliminate nitrogen avalibility.

...the molessas and liquid seaweed are liquid , however, still use table spoon measurements.

...stop giving tea @ weeks 5 for an 8 week strain, or allow a couple weeks to flush (not so important organically but, I prefer to save the $)

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what this guy said. poop tea is the greatest.