Organic Growing: An Introductory Guide

Rasta Roy

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This in a 2x5x5ft tent so sunflowers wont work lol


Thanks for the recipes!
I see neither uses guano, is that a no-no?
I use lots of that in my soil.

Ill have my girl look when she goes. I dont get out much anymore.
Although I just found our lost cat in the shed with a broken leg so I am off to the vet. He was missing 24 hrs so he must be starving and he smells of piss. Glad I found him and that he didnt freeze last night
I don't use guano much anymore but I went thru a real heavy period with it. I would not mix it into my soil, it is way to water soluble. This is the huge benefit of it, super fast readily available water soluble nutrition. Its great for teas and top dressing. Its wasted in a soil mix.
 

bassman999

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I don't use guano much anymore but I went thru a real heavy period with it. I would not mix it into my soil, it is way to water soluble. This is the huge benefit of it, super fast readily available water soluble nutrition. Its great for teas and top dressing. Its wasted in a soil mix.
I am new to organic so still learning, and hope to eventually get a compost and worm bin, but space is at a premium. I also have to keep it looking like I dont grow because the owner shares our duplex and is anti drugs lol
 

Rasta Roy

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I am new to organic so still learning, and hope to eventually get a compost and worm bin, but space is at a premium. I also have to keep it looking like I dont grow because the owner shares our duplex and is anti drugs lol
Definitely heard that! I am legal to grow but I've been robbed before so I like to avoid the grow house look lol. I plant lots of veggies and flower beds outside so if you see all the stuff I do with soil and compost in my backyard you'll just get the impression I have a green thumb. There's a lot of different approaches. Guano is great for beginners just getting started. It doesn't have a break down time like other amendments. It does have some sustainability issues... But You can do pretty well just recycling your soil and doing top dressings of guanos, kelp, and worm castings.
 

bassman999

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Definitely heard that! I am legal to grow but I've been robbed before so I like to avoid the grow house look lol. I plant lots of veggies and flower beds outside so if you see all the stuff I do with soil and compost in my backyard you'll just get the impression I have a green thumb. There's a lot of different approaches. Guano is great for beginners just getting started. It doesn't have a break down time like other amendments. It does have some sustainability issues... But You can do pretty well just recycling your soil and doing top dressings of guanos, kelp, and worm castings.
I do the same with veggies because I ,like it, and because it makes sense to see soil etc as you stated.

I saw you have a different soil for vegging, and a more complete for flowering uppotting
 

Chunky Stool

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One of my best performing water-only soil mixes was plain old FFOF mixed with seabat.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Greenbelt-Organics-Sea-Bat-Fusion-Guano-2-lb-Organic-Granular-Fertilizer-GB00561P2LBS/204583312
Hell, I bet it wasn't even necessary to mix it; probably could have just done a top dressing since it doesn't need to cook. Not sure about exact measurements, but it was for a 7 gallon pot so probably about half a cup per cubic foot.
Now that I've found a local source of FFOF for $13 (1.5 cu ft), the cost is not prohibitive.
Even though peat moss is cheap ($12 for 3 cu ft at home depot), you've still got to buy all of the other amendments, mix the soil, and let it cook for at least three weeks. Also gotta store all of the leftover stuff for the next round. And there's still the risk that the custom soil mix could have problems, ph for example.
The more I think about it, FFOF looks like a very good option for you.
In your situation, it doesn't look like you are going to use a lot of soil anyway -- and probably don't have room to store a lot of extra crap. If you can get FFOF for less than $20 it's probably worth it.
 

bassman999

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One of my best performing water-only soil mixes was plain old FFOF mixed with seabat.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Greenbelt-Organics-Sea-Bat-Fusion-Guano-2-lb-Organic-Granular-Fertilizer-GB00561P2LBS/204583312
Hell, I bet it wasn't even necessary to mix it; probably could have just done a top dressing since it doesn't need to cook. Not sure about exact measurements, but it was for a 7 gallon pot so probably about half a cup per cubic foot.
Now that I've found a local source of FFOF for $13 (1.5 cu ft), the cost is not prohibitive.
Even though peat moss is cheap ($12 for 3 cu ft at home depot), you've still got to buy all of the other amendments, mix the soil, and let it cook for at least three weeks. Also gotta store all of the leftover stuff for the next round. And there's still the risk that the custom soil mix could have problems, ph for example.
The more I think about it, FFOF looks like a very good option for you.
In your situation, it doesn't look like you are going to use a lot of soil anyway -- and probably don't have room to store a lot of extra crap. If you can get FFOF for less than $20 it's probably worth it.
I didnt think the FFOF was strong enough to go full cycle water only
 

Chunky Stool

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I didnt think the FFOF was strong enough to go full cycle water only
That's the beauty of organic soil -- you get fresh nutes every time you repot. FFOF + seabat will get you most of the way through an 8 week flower & finish em off with tea (indonesian bat guano, kelp, epsom salts).
 

Rasta Roy

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I watched a video of yours and you used a soil with less ingredients for veg I think
For early part of veg yes...Sort of...I just stick with compost and castings in the mix, maybe some kelp or neem seed meal if I have extra on hand. Once I go into a big pot they go into a similar mix but that has been amended...However the amendments aren't for when it's in veg...I put them there to be available later for when I'm in flower and later cycles.
 

bassman999

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I repot twice.
Solo --> half gallon
half --> final pot (a couple of weeks before flower)
Straight FFOF is fine until final repotting, then it needs a boost.
Not sure my pot size, 7" tall and 6+" across then repot to final pot.
This is the ones I use after solo and before flowering pot
http://www.zenhydro.com/gro-pro-premium-nursery-pot-1-gallon.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KEQiA4o3DBRCJsZqh8vWqt_8BEiQA2Fw0efwoLDH6ne4imC8_ez9v59K-NZhTqJajzFEsQv2AKx0aAkiA8P8HAQ
 

bassman999

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For early part of veg yes...Sort of...I just stick with compost and castings in the mix, maybe some kelp or neem seed meal if I have extra on hand. Once I go into a big pot they go into a similar mix but that has been amended...However the amendments aren't for when it's in veg...I put them there to be available later for when I'm in flower and later cycles.
Can too many amendments ruin taste of finished buds?
 

Chunky Stool

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Can too many amendments ruin taste of finished buds?
"Too many" implies that the plants are overfed, so the answer is yes. You don't want a lot of chlorophyll in your finished product. That's what gives it the harshness. There's a thread going right now about curing weed and how bright green weed may not be the best when it comes to smoothness and smokability. Both get you high & everyone has an opinion...
 

bassman999

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"Too many" implies that the plants are overfed, so the answer is yes. You don't want a lot of chlorophyll in your finished product. That's what gives it the harshness. There's a thread going right now about curing weed and how bright green weed may not be the best when it comes to smoothness and smokability. Both get you high & everyone has an opinion...
I was told you cant over feed with organic, and also over amending can ruin or lose taste.

I thought buds being bright green or darker green was mostly genetic, or are you referring to plants that finish still having green leaves?
 

Vnsmkr

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I read that as referring to buds that are still cured being green...instead of brown or darker colored...buds can finish out fine still green and healthy imo, its the cure which takes care of the chlorophyl loss
 
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