ginjawarrior
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You haven't even shown it's got spots in the first place let alone asserting it will never change them
Organic grown wheat contains GM impurities
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echelon1k1
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No, Monsanto have a great history... even greater now federal courts can't touch them...
ginjawarrior
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Nothing but vacuous and dishonest handwaving
echelon1k1
New Member
You sound like Monsanto - next you'll add "we should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.'s job" - Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications
then the FDA can retort - "Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety" - FDA, Statement of Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties (GMO Policy)
But please, continue debunking studies with nothing but "vacuous and dishonest handwaving" as you so eloquently put it.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
15 year-old quote mining? Smacks of desperation to me
Why is it the "studies" you keep coming up with are so bad?
echelon1k1
New Member
By yours and monsantos they're considered bad. As i'm not a scientist i'm not going round debunking every tom, dick & harry... You must be a scientist familiar with gene expression and the like or otherwise you're like the rest of us...
The only real answers can be found in the studies Monsanto has conducted and HAVE NOT made public. You don't see a connection between herbicides/pesticides and GM food than no one can help you and I encourage you to eat up. Too many useless eaters on this planet as it is.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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The federal courts can touch them.
There is no Monsanto Protection Act. Its called the Farmers Assurance Provision and protects farmers in a certain instance and it expires this September.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
not just by me or Monsanto they're bad to the extent where they willingly use studies from the likes of Andrew Wakefield who been disbarred and discredited for his fraudulent work
How exactly do you look at standards like that and say to yourself "that's ok"?
what drivel you have no proof because Monsanto isn't giving it to you
? Got evidence to that? Oh no that's right more handwaving
echelon1k1
New Member
Protection for farmers and biotech alike... Does it covers crop loss as a result of genetic contamination?
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
Was it meant to?
You could ask if it whistles yankee doodah while dancing a jig if you want
echelon1k1
New Member
not just by me or Monsanto they're bad to the extent where they willingly use studies from the likes of Andrew Wakefield who been disbarred and discredited for his fraudulent work
How exactly do you look at standards like that and say to yourself "that's ok"?
what drivel you have no proof because Monsanto isn't giving it to you
double standards did you mean? like having a whinge about people posting to blogs then posting a link to a blog to try and support your argument? yes the examiner.com is a blog platform
and the article written by a software tech. Pot meet kettle.
One citation linking to wakefield doesn't debunk the whole paper, nor will your oblivious double standards...
echelon1k1
New Member
I don't know, ask those farmers who've had their crops infected in the PNW.
ginjawarrior
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software tech with PhD in chemistry
didn't cannado say he made his living from genetics? You think hippy blogs is where they get their info from
what about the references to the bogus seralani papers?
Tell you what why don't you look at reference 121 and see what the authors of your paper left out and what people who have already done the experiments say about it
desert dude
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I can't speak for every regulatory agency but the FDA doesn't test anything it regulates. The FDA relies on research and testing provided by the drug/food manufacturer, so the fact that Monsanto conducts its own testing and sends that data to the FDA is just the way the FDA works. Note that the FDA requires the drug manufacturer to do its own testing and then uses internal FDA experts to review the testing. To imply that this is some sort of scandal is a bit off the mark.
I would expect regulatory agencies in other countries to operate in a similar manner.
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[h=1]Development & Approval Process (Drugs)[/h] American consumers benefit from having access to the safest and most advanced pharmaceutical system in the world. The main consumer watchdog in this system is FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER).
The center's best-known job is to evaluate new drugs before they can be sold. CDER's evaluation not only prevents quackery, but also provides doctors and patients the information they need to use medicines wisely. The center ensures that drugs, both brand-name and generic, work correctly and that their health benefits outweigh their known risks.
Drug companies seeking to sell a drug in the United States must first test it. The company then sends CDER the evidence from these tests to prove the drug is safe and effective for its intended use. A team of CDER physicians, statisticians, chemists, pharmacologists, and other scientists reviews the company's data and proposed labeling. If this independent and unbiased review establishes that a drug's health benefits outweigh its known risks, the drug is approved for sale. The center doesn't actually test drugs itself, although it does conduct limited research in the areas of drug quality, safety, and effectiveness standards.
Before a drug can be tested in people, the drug company or sponsor performs laboratory and animal tests to discover how the drug works and whether it's likely to be safe and work well in humans. Next, a series of tests in people is begun to determine whether the drug is safe when used to treat a disease and whether it provides a real health benefit.
For more information about the drug development and approval process, see How Drugs Are Developed and Approved.
http://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmentapprovalprocess/default.htm
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GETTING A BIOTECH PRODUCT TO MARKET
Finally, let me describe the procedures industry follows to get a biotech food product to market. In 1994, for the first bioengineered product planned for introduction into the market, FDA moved deliberately, following the 1992 policy. We conducted a comprehensive scientific review of Calgene's data on the Flavr SavrTM tomato and the use of kanamycin resistance marker gene, and also held a public meeting of our Food Advisory Committee (the Committee) to examine applicability of the 1992 policy to products such as the Flavr SavrTM tomato. The Committee members agreed with FDA that the scientific approach presented in the 1992 policy was sound and that questions regarding the Flavr SavrTM had been addressed. The Committee members also suggested that we develop a more expedited process for FDA and the industry to reach decisions on the marketing of other bioengineered foods that do not raise substantive scientific issues."
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/testimony/ucm115032.htm
echelon1k1
New Member
The guys claim to fame is he writes cook books and as an aside he has a chemistry degrees. Many people have degrees in fields they're not actively working within it does not make them an expert.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
LOL handwave away....
Now how about you spend a couple of minutes checking out the honesty of your authors...
Reference 121 from your link
echelon1k1
New Member
Kinda like the honesty of those that defend a company like Monsanto with it's track record... Or the honesty of the people that keep saying GM food is safe to eat...
Or the honesty of a science journal that hires a former Monsanto employee in the wake of the "serilini affair"... Is dr. Michael antoniou discredited too?
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
Are you having a meltdown or something?
The study you posted reference 121 go have a look at it it and come back here with your report
echelon1k1
New Member
you sound like "sense about science"... which is all your handwaving amounts to... I would bet that's your thinkprogress.
ginjawarrior
Well-Known Member
I take by your refusal that you already looked haven't got the gut to honestly report it here?
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