Our debt is too damn high!

hanimmal

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Bush went insane, Obama took it to another level, and Trump is putting the nails in our coffin. Lol - nobody cares!

lmao, posting a article from AP news, and saying nobody cares......

 

hanimmal

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You do understand how money works don't you? Cause it doesn't sound like it.

The federal reserve, a private, never audited company, loans all money to the government at interest. Without inventing another kind of currency, and then somehow forcing them to accept it, it is impossible to repay the national debt. This is by design.
Incorrect.
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And after re-reading your post, the entire thing is wrong. Where did you pick this up? They lied to you .
 

RevRico

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Incorrect.
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And after re-reading your post, the entire thing is wrong. Where did you pick this up? They lied to you .
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From the very specific exemptions laid out in their own rules. That exempt the actual important parts of what the Fed does from being properly audited.

Still not answering though, if all money comes from the federal reserve at interest, which it does, how could it ever possibly be paid back, seeing as more is owed than is borrowed from the beginning?

Logic and math say it cannot be.
 

abandonconflict

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You do understand how money works don't you? Cause it doesn't sound like it.

The federal reserve, a private, never audited company, loans all money to the government at interest. Without inventing another kind of currency, and then somehow forcing them to accept it, it is impossible to repay the national debt. This is by design.
Rawn Pawl is still alive?
 

hanimmal

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From the very specific exemptions laid out in their own rules. That exempt the actual important parts of what the Fed does from being properly audited.

Still not answering though, if all money comes from the federal reserve at interest, which it does, how could it ever possibly be paid back, seeing as more is owed than is borrowed from the beginning?

Logic and math say it cannot be.
That is just saying that the government doesn't have full control over the Fed, which is a good thing or else Trump would have been screwing with our monetary policy other than tweet bullying.

And 'all money' does not come from the Federal Reserve, the treasury is the one that controls currency and new debt. They use the Federal Reserve system to distribute it to the banks is all. And the Fed can only buy and sell existing treasuries. It is a check and balance system.

The way we do it, the Treasury (government agency) can create new 'debt' in bonds that people/businesses (Private) can decide to purchase. This stops the government from being able to tank our currency on their own, they need people to be willing to lose their wealth too. Then the Fed (quasi-government agency) can use what is out in the system to help control interest rates, and inflation to try to maintain full employment.

The Fed having the treasuries they have bought, as they mature and the government pays them the money the treasury was worth is just putting the currency back into the system that they took out when they sold it in the first place. The Fed not needing to make a profit ends up sending a lot of excess earnings to the government at the end of the year too, which is nice having it pay for itself.
 

abandonconflict

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From the very specific exemptions laid out in their own rules. That exempt the actual important parts of what the Fed does from being properly audited.

Still not answering though, if all money comes from the federal reserve at interest, which it does, how could it ever possibly be paid back, seeing as more is owed than is borrowed from the beginning?

Logic and math say it cannot be.
By "borrowing" less than is taxed and lowering the interest rates (some loans carry less interest, such as those secured by tangible property like land), a budget surplus is achieved. This can be done with a rising GDP.

Take an economics course before you comment with some nutty Rawn Pawl bullshit.
 

rkymtnman

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By "borrowing" less than is taxed and lowering the interest rates (some loans carry less interest, such as those secured by tangible property like land), a budget surplus is achieved. This can be done with a rising GDP.

Take an economics course before you comment with some nutty Rawn Pawl bullshit.
Was Rawn or Rand the one that got beat up by the neighbor? I get them confused.
 

hanimmal

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If the past is anything to go by, extremely low interest rates are indication nobody has any money to spend. At least people anyway.
Can't remember a time there wasn't an inevitable crash afterward.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks a lot like the beginning of 2008 FC again. That scares the shit out of me.
Businesses have (as far as I have seen) not been over extending much after Trump gave them a windfall tax break, so unless the global stress brings us down it shouldn't be as rough as 2008. But you never know until it happens.
 

londonfog

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That is just saying that the government doesn't have full control over the Fed, which is a good thing or else Trump would have been screwing with our monetary policy other than tweet bullying.

And 'all money' does not come from the Federal Reserve, the treasury is the one that controls currency and new debt. They use the Federal Reserve system to distribute it to the banks is all. And the Fed can only buy and sell existing treasuries. It is a check and balance system.

The way we do it, the Treasury (government agency) can create new 'debt' in bonds that people/businesses (Private) can decide to purchase. This stops the government from being able to tank our currency on their own, they need people to be willing to lose their wealth too. Then the Fed (quasi-government agency) can use what is out in the system to help control interest rates, and inflation to try to maintain full employment.

The Fed having the treasuries they have bought, as they mature and the government pays them the money the treasury was worth is just putting the currency back into the system that they took out when they sold it in the first place. The Fed not needing to make a profit ends up sending a lot of excess earnings to the government at the end of the year too, which is nice having it pay for itself.
:o I hope you do realize that the Federal Reserve is basically privately owned by banks and families. Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Morgans. I suggest you do more research.
 

londonfog

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let me drop this large piece of knowledge. it will be an eye opener for those who HONESTLY take the time to do
Google list of Rothchild owned banks. First one to paste the list wins the prize
 

abandonconflict

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If the past is anything to go by, extremely low interest rates are indication nobody has any money to spend. At least people anyway.
Can't remember a time there wasn't an inevitable crash afterward.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks a lot like the beginning of 2008 FC again. That scares the shit out of me.
There is a correlation. In the case of 08, a big part of the problem was Dubya's approach to getting everyone into home mortgages. Low interest rates along with predatory lending led to the housing bubble. Some people thought that the investment was causing GDP to increase, or at least it was argued this way. Obviously, that wasn't the case. The interest rates were too low and no actual wealth was being produced.
 
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