Outdoor Soil Mix

Ronald Dregan

Ronald Dregan

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I'm trying to make a good cheap outdoor soil mix for a guerilla grow. Here's what I have so far:

peat moss
perlite
cow manure
worm castings
dolomite lime

Anything else I should add?

I don't want to use bone or blood meal because i don't want animals digging up my plants
 
HTP

HTP

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Make sure the cow shit is old. Its way to hot fresh.
Good call on the bone meal. You an also use some premixed chicken shit from homedepot also. Just throwing it out there.
You can use some kelp mean, bat crap and stuff. Look around - tons of ideas. Dont forget some sand also!
 
stonerman

stonerman

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HTP said:
Chicken shit it higher in nitrogen
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Chicken manure can also be very potent, It is much easier to burn a marijuana plant grown in chicken manure as opposed to cow manure.

My answer to the original post is, that is a fine recipe, When I first started growing I simply used cow manure and peat moss mixed in with existing ground soil and I had incredible success. Happy growing
 
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shizz

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as far as ecoil... your not puting it on the plants. your puting it oin the ground. there more ecoli in your kitchen then chicken shit....your soil mix depends on your ground.....if your add to the ground. if your doing containers. that def... if yur not going to us bone you need p source. you can us bone or blood if you put hot pepper dust over the ground. and dont put the plants out to early and nothing will eat them. people put them out to early before native plantsd start growing and aniamls smell that fresh plant growing...make sure there good food source for the aniamls and youll be ok....
 
KLITE

KLITE

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I know someone who SWEARS by rabbit shit. I would make 40% of the mixture a combination of cow, worm, bat and rabbit shit. Maybe 30% peat moss 15-20% vermiculite (will make sure there's always moisture in the soil) and 10-15% perlite. I would use gypsum instead of dolomite lime. Gypsum has some trace elements that are great for plants and it also keeps the ph constant. Any comments?
 
swampcracker

swampcracker

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Use compossted chicken manure 3-3-2, Gypsum, bone meal. Never had a problem with bone meal and animals. That may because we grow in pots and not in holes. Plenty of perlite as well. mix wthe some good soil. Heres the recipe from the man himself Tom Hill. Oh yea this we use for a long grow season.
I've played with a lot of different soil recipes over the years, 1rst year new soil mixes, as well as yearly additives. Here's a very simple mix that is well proven and I am comfortable recommending for those large outdoor containers. It gives about 50 cubic feet or just over 300 gallons (dry U.S), and fills a 6ft diameter container to a depth of about 18inches - perfectly.

25 bags black gold potting soil (1.5cf ea)

4 bags stutzman farms chicken manure (1 cf ea)

1 bag perlite (4 cf ea)

1 bag (50 lbs) bonemeal (steamed, not precipitated)

1/2 bag gypsum (aprox 1/2 cf) - Edit -> 1/2 of a 40 lb bag (20lbs).

Mix well, water thoroughly, let rest for 2-3 weeks minimum, transplant, and stand back


Best Regards,

Tom
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Ronald Dregan said:
I'm trying to make a good cheap outdoor soil mix for a guerilla grow. Here's what I have so far:

peat moss
perlite
cow manure
worm castings
dolomite lime

Anything else I should add?

I don't want to use bone or blood meal because i don't want animals digging up my plants
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Worm castings are anything but cheap, and are already present in the soil. The trick is understanding what the existing soil needs for optimal growth. Is it clay?, if so that stuff is loaded with pre-existing nutes...but they are locked in. Is it sand?, that when you have to replace it(such as in south Florida). Unless you dig very deep, your root structures are going to out-grow a full soil replacement anyways. That's when amending is a good option, plus hauling in a ton of dirt can present it's own challenges...unless you're using 4 wheelers etc.

Peat is great for clay, as is perlite. Note on perlite, some hillsides are not a good locations as heavy rains will cause a nice little white trail to your ladies.
 
Guerillia Farmer

Guerillia Farmer

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depends if you want to go organic or chems.... i like using organics for personal and chems for commercial... if you are going to sue chems dont bother buying liquid shit that u have to manually mix and water yourself. which means more trips to your spot. Use time released pellets everytime it rains your plants get fertilized minimizing visists which increases success chances(i like heavy harvest by Advance Nutrients). For organics use stuff that takes a while to break down like bat guano and alfalfa and kelp meal.... etc. etc. if you cage your shit in u can add stuff like fish emulsions and shellfish meal

your mixture is fine... i just use promix mixed with native soil and compost i find around my area (rotten tree stumps and logs like super rotten when u see plants growing from it u know its broken down enough to support vegetive growth, turn over a few rocks for worms.. etc i even collect animal shit and throw it in the stumps for next year and mix it in every time i walk by them)
 
Ronald Dregan

Ronald Dregan

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shizz said:
as far as ecoil... your not puting it on the plants. your puting it oin the ground. there more ecoli in your kitchen then chicken shit....your soil mix depends on your ground.....if your add to the ground. if your doing containers. that def... if yur not going to us bone you need p source. you can us bone or blood if you put hot pepper dust over the ground. and dont put the plants out to early and nothing will eat them. people put them out to early before native plantsd start growing and aniamls smell that fresh plant growing...make sure there good food source for the aniamls and youll be ok....
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they are going into the ground. and i will be mixing with the native soil. the native soil is good forest soil that already has some organic matter. I dont think the hot pepper would work because it rains a lot here early in the season, and would probably get washed away. i will be using chicken wire so im not worried about anything eating the plants, just digging them up for the bone meal

Sunbiz1 said:
Worm castings are anything but cheap, and are already present in the soil. The trick is understanding what the existing soil needs for optimal growth. Is it clay?, if so that stuff is loaded with pre-existing nutes...but they are locked in. Is it sand?, that when you have to replace it(such as in south Florida). Unless you dig very deep, your root structures are going to out-grow a full soil replacement anyways. That's when amending is a good option, plus hauling in a ton of dirt can present it's own challenges...unless you're using 4 wheelers etc.

Peat is great for clay, as is perlite. Note on perlite, some hillsides are not a good locations as heavy rains will cause a nice little white trail to your ladies.
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its forest soil that has a good layer of organics on top of clay. and i know of a local place to get the worm castings for cheap
Guerillia Farmer said:
depends if you want to go organic or chems.... i like using organics for personal and chems for commercial... if you are going to sue chems dont bother buying liquid shit that u have to manually mix and water yourself. which means more trips to your spot. Use time released pellets everytime it rains your plants get fertilized minimizing visists which increases success chances(i like heavy harvest by Advance Nutrients). For organics use stuff that takes a while to break down like bat guano and alfalfa and kelp meal.... etc. etc. if you cage your shit in u can add stuff like fish emulsions and shellfish meal

your mixture is fine... i just use promix mixed with native soil and compost i find around my area (rotten tree stumps and logs like super rotten when u see plants growing from it u know its broken down enough to support vegetive growth, turn over a few rocks for worms.. etc i even collect animal shit and throw it in the stumps for next year and mix it in every time i walk by them)
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yeah i looked into heavy harvest, but that stuff is really expensive
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Ronald Dregan said:
they are going into the ground. and i will be mixing with the native soil. the native soil is good forest soil that already has some organic matter. I dont think the hot pepper would work because it rains a lot here early in the season, and would probably get washed away. i will be using chicken wire so im not worried about anything eating the plants, just digging them up for the bone meal


its forest soil that has a good layer of organics on top of clay. and i know of a local place to get the worm castings for cheap

yeah i looked into heavy harvest, but that stuff is really expensive
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Castings here run about 2 bucks/pound, I'm thinking a worm farm might be a good investment!. With respect to granule nutes, this one is organic, cheap, effective, and at Home Depot.:

http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/tones_plant.html
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Ronald Dregan said:
would that work with my soil mix?

and would i still need b flowering nutes?
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That soil mix is fairly loaded to begin with, a decent time release granule is all you should need as directed on package. I add diluted molasses to the mix come mid/late summer, that really stimulates the existing microbial life and gives plants more than enough for flower.

Also, you would be better off with humus(aged compost)as opposed to the cow shit as it is already broken down.

Peace.
 
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