over 50% thc strain, bullshit or not?

littleflavio

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"i would appreciate if you can pm me and teach me how to do that. thanks"

Little Flavio there's a pictorial in the Extraction chapter of Weed Science, linked at the bottom of this post. There are several great ways to extract resin, many are dangerous if the safety precautions aren't followed. I'll be adding a pictorial for making a CO2 extractor in a couple of weeks, no chance of fire or explosion.

The Sublingual Tinture link below has extraction information and links as well. If there's an extraction method not covered that you want info on please post in the Grow Lab thread and I'll dig up the best pictorials and videos from around the net.

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let me add you for now since i gotta get to work and i might missed this thread. thanks
 

skiweeds

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Nope. I've seen some that went as high as 21%.. but no higher than that.

But yeah there's no possible way for a cannabis plant to have that much THC. Especially 50%.. rediculus. If there was any possible way for that to even be feasible.. you would have seen people around here ranting and raving about it.. and before you know it everyone around here would be talking about it. But yeah.. its not even feasible. LMAO.. 50%.. I wish. That would be some awsome medicinal smoke for sure.. lol.

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barneys seed farm has a couple that are 25% but thats the highest i seen from i site i trust. dr grinspoon and pineapple chunk. i dont know if the thc is accurate but im sure its close. i hear they are trustable for ordering seeds tho.

yeah as usually, i had a feeling i was right when i called bullshit but had to ask to make sure. i met this guy from a friend who also grows, hes kinda not really right in the head but is a nice guy. he just must be a bit gullible, believes almost anything he reads type thing. next time i see him i'll have to find a nice way to him not to believe the hype and that there are others out there who just want to rip you off. thanks everyone for the verification. i'll rep u all
 

ganjaluvr

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barneys seed farm has a couple that are 25% but thats the highest i seen from i site i trust. dr grinspoon and pineapple chunk. i dont know if the thc is accurate but im sure its close. i hear they are trustable for ordering seeds tho.

yeah as usually, i had a feeling i was right when i called bullshit but had to ask to make sure. i met this guy from a friend who also grows, hes kinda not really right in the head but is a nice guy. he just must be a bit gullible, believes almost anything he reads type thing. next time i see him i'll have to find a nice way to him not to believe the hype and that there are others out there who just want to rip you off. thanks everyone for the verification. i'll rep u all
ah, shit. Yeah your right.. now that I really think about it. That's the highest I've seen.. is around 25%. And also, Barney's Farm Genetics is a reliable and trustworthy seed company. I've ordered from them before.

Attitude; TGA/Subcool; and Nirvana.. are the only ones that I'll order from. Never had any problems with my past orders from either three of them.. so I know they're 100% loyal and legit companies. I won't order from anyone else.. though I did order from SpeedySeedz once.. they're reliable and legit too.. but their prices are a little high for the genetics that they carry.

anyhow, I need to load up my bowl for my morning wake-N-bake.

peace.
 

Hobbes

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Hey Sr Verde!

If you've never tried it check out the sublingual tincture recipe linked at the bottom of this post, easy to make and by far the fastest and hardest hitting high I've had. It sort of goes with the thread.

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Brick Top

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ah, shit. Yeah your right.. now that I really think about it. That's the highest I've seen.. is around 25%
Sannie's Herijuana is another strain that is rated as being up to 25% in THC but I do not recall seeing from anyone considered to be trustworthy being rated higher than 25%.
 

Hobbes

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Inside the Trichome

By Bubbleman and Jeremiah Vandermeer, Cannabis Culture - Thursday, June 11 2009

TAGS: CC MAGAZINE FEATURE ARTICLES CC74 GROW FEATURES HEADLINE NEWS BUDSHOTS GROWING SCIENCES TRICHOMES



CANNABIS CULTURE - An up-close look at the THC-producing resin glands of the cannabis plant through pot-ographer Bubbleman's macro lens.

If you’ve seen pictures of mature cannabis plants taken with a macroscopic lens that’s zoomed-in very close, then you’ve undoubtedly noticed the many glistening translucent resin glands protruding from the buds, leaves, and just about everywhere else on the plant (see “Stalking Trichomes”, CC #72). Most marijuana growers and readers of pot magazines are quite familiar – and some downright obsessed – with these resinous outgrowths known as trichomes. You may have also read that the sticky coating of trichomes is home to the active ingredients in cannabis – the stuff that gets you high and has all the medical benefits – tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD), and other cannabinoids. But have you ever wondered exactly what the trichomes do for the cannabis plant, or what biological purpose they serve?


Sticky resinous growths knows as trichomes are home to the active ingredients in cannabis.

Evolution of Trichomes



In nature, only the strong survive, and it is hypothesized by biologists that trichomes evolved as a defense mechanism of the cannabis plant against a range of potential enemies (1). Trichomes, from the Greek meaning ‘growth of hair,’ act as an evolutionary shield, protecting the plant and its seeds from the dangers of its environment, allowing it to reproduce. These adhesive sprouts form a protective layer against offensive insects, preventing them from reaching the surface of the plant. The chemicals in the trichomes make cannabis less palatable to hungry animals and can inhibit the growth of some types of fungus. The resin also helps to insulate the plant from high wind and low humidity, and acts as a natural ‘sun-screen’ in protecting against UV-B light rays. But since trichomes contain euphoric properties attractive to humans, it may be man who has had the most influence on the plants’ development through many years of favoring strains that consistently produce more of these gooey resin heads.

Trichome Types

Trichomes grow in numerous shapes and sizes on many types of plants. The cannabis plant has developed three main types (from NationMaster Encyclopedia):

Bulbous: This type is the smallest (15 to 30 micrometers). From one to four cells make up the ‘foot’ and ‘stalk’, and one to four cells make up the ‘head’ of the gland. Head cells secrete a resin, presumably cannabinoids, and related compounds that accumulate between the head cells and the cuticle. When the gland matures, a nipple-like protrusion may form on the membrane from the pressure of accumulating resin. The bulbous glands are found scattered about the surfaces of the aboveground plant parts. [Pictured below.]



Capitate-Sessile: The second type of gland is larger (25 to 100 micrometers) and more numerous than the bulbous glands. They are called capitate, which means having a globular-shaped head. On immature plants, the heads lie flush, appearing not to have a stalk and are called capitate sessile. They have a stalk that is one cell high, although it may not be visible beneath the globular head. The head is composed of usually eight, but up to 16 cells, that form a convex rosette. These cells secrete cannabinoids and related compounds that accumulate between the rosette and its outer membrane. This gives it a spherical shape.

Capitate-Stalked: Cannabinoids are most abundant in the capitate-stalked glands, which consists of a tier of secretory disc cells subtending a large non-cellular secretory cavity. During flowering, the capitate glands that appear on the newly formed plant parts take on a third form. Some of the glands are raised to a height of 150 to 500 micrometres when their stalks elongate. These capitate-stalked glands appear during flowering and form their densest cover on the female flower bracts [specialized leaves that cover the seeds]. They are also highly concentrated on the small leaves that accompany the flowers. The male flowers have some stalked glands, but they are smaller and less concentrated than on the female. (2)

Cannabinoids

Cannabinoids are a group of chemical compounds that occur naturally in the cannabis plant, first discovered in the 1940s. When consumed by humans, the chemicals bind to CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors in the brain and body, causing euphoria and other effects. The broader definition includes three general types: phytocannabinoids, which occur uniquely in the cannabis plant; endogenous cannabinoids, produced by the bodies of humans and other mammals, birds, fish, and reptiles; and synthetic cannabinoids, which are related compounds produced in laboratories. Cannabinoids present in the cannabis plant include THC, CBD, cannabinol (CBN), cannabichromene (CBC), cannabigerol (CBG), and tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV).

Inside the Trichome

THC and other cannabinoids are produced in only one place on the cannabis plant: inside the heads of the trichomes. How it happens: Organelles produced by the plant called Vacuoles – which contain phenols, a chemical compound similar to alcohol [pictured at right in blue], and another type of organelle called plastids – containing hydrocarbons called terpenes [red], make their way up the trichome stalk [green] and combine inside the secretory cavity into a fibrous mat [yellow]. This concentrated mat is hit by UV-B light waves, causing the creation of cannabinoids. Since all of the psychoactive ingredients are produced inside the trichome, these tiny resin hairs have long been sought after by hash and oil makers and can be separated from the plant and harvested in a variety of ways (3).



Potency and Tricomes

Many media outlets and politicians say the ‘potency’ of today’s pot has increased dramatically in the last 30 years, claiming it contains anywhere from 10%-40% THC. Most are dubious claims, as it is quite obvious that a sample of herbal plant material does not consist of nearly half THC, but there is still much debate on the issue of potency classification. One thing is for sure; heavy trichome production does not necessarily mean higher potency, because the resins inside the trichome may or may not contain high levels of THC and other active ingredients. Some speculate that the percentage levels refer to the amount of THC in the oils produced inside the resin glands, but new studies show that cannabinoids other than THC also have distinctive effects on brain functions and cause correspondingly different effects on human cognition and psychiatric symptoms (4). This makes gauging the ‘potency’ or ‘strength’ of cannabis plants very difficult, as different cannabinoid level combinations may induce different types of highs. (For more information, see “Pot Potency” CC #34.)








Dry Sift

There are many ways to separate the trichomes from the plant to make hash, oil and butters, or to smoke directly as dry-sifted kief (see “How To Make Hash”, CC #69). Fine mesh screens and products like BubbleBags assist in the extraction process. When it comes to dry-sifted trichomes, it is very difficult to completely separate the resin heads from the stalk and other waste product of the plant. (See “Bubbleman’s Trichome Meltdown”, CC #73) The dry sift shown here is nearly 100% glandular heads and was extracted using the Sam the Skunkman method that even our CC hash experts have yet to figure out.





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skiweeds

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holy fuck, nice pics. i know about trichromes and all, but not to this extent. i would rep u a million more times if i could. thanks for the post, very interesting!
 

Sr. Verde

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Hey Sr Verde!

If you've never tried it check out the sublingual tincture recipe linked at the bottom of this post, easy to make and by far the fastest and hardest hitting high I've had. It sort of goes with the thread.

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I'm kind of low on buds right now dude! I've got my spare $ all over the place with lots of little investments here and there. I'll for sure check it out when I have a zip layin around ;)

holy fuck, nice pics. i know about trichromes and all, but not to this extent. i would rep u a million more times if i could. thanks for the post, very interesting!
The trichomes are one of the most important, if not the most important part of the plant. Read up! ;)
 

BillyBudd

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Yes, genetically modified tetraploid plants can almost achieve that THC level. I would guess 40-45% range as the maximum. You cannot, however, buy seeds as they are super elite clones ONLY. UBC Chemo / OG Kush / Chemdog / Diesel / Pink Kush / G-13. I believe that they are all the same strain which is NOT kush but an F1 cross of Thai x Afghani and then genetically modified to essentially double the THC content. It was initially created at the University of B.C. by Canadian David Suzuki and the Canadian Government (Health Canada) for chemotherapy patients. A single female clone was stolen in 1977. There was never a male tetraploid. These clones sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars and most people have NEVER, EVER smoked the REAL deal. Unless you know somebody then good luck...

You can tell a tetraploid by looking at the plant structure. You DO NOT have to stain it and look through a microscope to determine if it is real. It is obvious as it will have double leaves, double buds, double trichome density and hence double the THC. Do not confuse whorled phyllotaxy for polyploidism.

Breaking the code: G-13 (made famous in "American Beauty") from the University of Mississippi is probably another lie. They NEVER had a GM project. The 13th letter of the alphabet is M and according to Google G-13 is also a Suzuki engine. The person was very clever when making the name up as this tells you that it is genetically modified and created by Suzuki. The Chemdog story, like the others, is a joke, bagseed into legend, yea right. C H E M O O G (written in uppercase on a white label on the clone) can look like Chemdog to a dyslexic...OG Kush - another name change to capitalize on the Kush hype. Sorry but no Hindu Kush in it. The OG could stand for Ocean Grown as it was grown by the Pacific Ocean at UBC but it could be Original Gangsta' as it was supposedly sold, for a very high price, to a certain OMG who now have "the rights"...It is not permitted to be sold in clone form, only in finished product. That is why the name has probably changed.
 

BillyBudd

Member
I call bullshit!
Not an elaborate response so I suspect not an elaborate breeder. Look it up and do your own research on polyploidy and come to your own conclusion. These are ALL facts except for the speculation on the names. Smoke some and find out for yourself. I can!!!
 

Brick Top

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Not an elaborate response so I suspect not an elaborate breeder. Look it up and do your own research on polyploidy and come to your own conclusion. These are ALL facts except for the speculation on the names. Smoke some and find out for yourself. I can!!!

I would love to try some. So, who breeds it? Where can seeds or clones be purchased? What is the strain name or names of the strains you smoke so we know what to ask for so we can experience what you say you smoke or can smoke? If you can or do smoke it and say "smoke some and find out for yourself. I can," it has to be available to the public. So where do you find yours?
 

BillyBudd

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I believe that I answered all of your questions in my original post. You need a tetraploid clone. You cannot buy seeds as you have to make them by preventing the chromosones from dividing during meiosis. This creates a doubled set of chromosones. If you are ever in Vancouver, I could smoke you up and show you polyploid plants and explain everything but I am not going to get robbed/busted just to prove a point. You can ask around about CHEMO and you will find out that I am telling the truth. I was offered a Chemo clone back in 1985 in Ontario from someone who, originally from B.C., had opened up a Hydroponics store in Toronto. Several of us came from B.C. with our clones, seeds and technology due to the recession. I had been transferred out there from B.C. working for a major corporation and I was shocked at the asking price for the clone and declined but I did not know the true value at that time. I was aware of Chemo as it was an instant legend in B.C. just as OG Kush is a legend now (same wine, new bottle?). We were not that familiar with genetics and polyploidism at that time. I am not the only one who believes that these super plants are all the same. There are other factors but I will not discuss here. Suffice it to say I have said too much already. My buddy will not appreciate me talking about his clones...

These clones provide a serious competitive advantage to some people and the product price is much higher than the best top shelf. This is the Dom Perignon of pot. When was the last time you ordered Dom Perignon in a restaurant? These plants are very difficult to clone and are heavy feeders. The flowering period is 11 weeks but it looks like an indica. This is due to the Thai sativa flowering requirements - like Haze (which has Thai in it). The Thai has a high THC low CBD which creates that soaring cerebral high. The indica high CBD content keeps the paranoia down. This is legendary stuff but it is real...trust me! If you do not believe me then do the research yourself. Most people who grow are totally clueless about genetics never mind polyploidism. They are trying to get high quality product from F2 and beyond etc. and they wonder why their product sucks. They never heard of Gregor Mendel nor understand his work. Go back to school and study genetics first before you breed. Most growers do not have clue about F1 hybrids or IBLs. That, and other misinformation is why they cannot grow high quality product. They buy seeds from seed companies that use inappropriate crosses with bogus names for marketing. Why would someone spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on creating a special product only to sell themselves short by allowing everyone else the same product? This is why it is NOT ALLOWED out as a living organism for others to clone - only finished product. Several people have violated this rule for financial gain and subsequently renamed the product to obscure the real source. Breeders or growers with great strains / clones usually do not allow them out of the shop.

You must do the work yourself from IBLs to create your own F1 cross and then convert to polyploid to develop Super Pot. A good IBL should be about 20% if grown correctly. An F1 hybrid cross of two divergent IBLs of 20% will be up to 25% with hybrid vigour. F1 Hybrids usually have a higher THC content then either parent. Now double it with a Colchicine treatment to the seeds and voila - Super Pot! You should get over 40% THC. I personally would not use Thai as the flowering period is just too long. I personally would opt for a somewhat weaker version of sativa with a much shorter flowering period for quicker yields due to the shorter flowering period. This helps ensure commercial viability. My Diablo Kush (Skunk Haze (AKA Fuma con Diablos) x Purple Kush) is a perfect candidate...hmmm. I would never treat a pure sativa as it would probably cause psychosis and/or paranoia. I might try it once. Remember that this is genetically modified and does not occur in nature, for Marijuana. I thought the only way it could occur in nature was if a plant was sitting downstream from an Autumn Chrocus and the seeds were washed with runoff from the Autumn Chrocus in the appropriate amounts. The odds are pretty small - about the same as you sampling my Pink Kush. The Colchicine treatment is toxic and, if applied to living plants, is poisonous to consume. The only safe procedure is to treat the seeds. You would need to treat several hundred seeds to produce just a few female plants.

This plant was featured on W5, a TV show in Canada. It is true medical marijuana and was designed specifically for cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy treatment. These CHEMO clones are over 30 years old and are suffering from cell degeneration which lowers seed viabilty and reduced hormone levels which inhibits successful cloning. Ask Monsanto if it is possible!!! Ask a rich rapper or an OMG member, they seem to know where to score it! Welcome to the jungle...
 

Brick Top

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Now double it with a Colchicine treatment to the seeds and voila - Super Pot!
Colchicine is a very toxic and hazardous chemical to handle. It is acutely toxic and has been responsible for many accidental poisonings, so what possible dangers might there be to humans from using it or smoking herb that was created by using it?
 

Brick Top

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Monsanto was one of the manufacturers of Agent Orange. It was highly carcinogenic and since Colchicine is extremely toxic I can fully understand why Monsanto might consider it to be good for people to be exposed to it ...... just like Agent Orange.
 
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