over 50% thc strain, bullshit or not?

Plants treated live are toxic and eventually revert to diploidism (back to normal). Their seeds can be used safely but the treated plant must NOT be consumed in any manner. This method is toxic and dangerous. Treatment of seeds is considered safe and the ONLY safe way to create polyploid plants. Monsanto has done many nasty things including Bovine Growth Hormone which was deemed unsafe by Health Canada but not in the U.S. They also create most hybrid seeds today and they perform even greater genetic modification by altering individual chromosones. They appear to have a hidden agenda of forcing everyone to buy their seeds but I digress to conspiracy theories. I was just trying to prove a point using a well known source. GM pot is not for everyone. You are probably drinking GM milk and GM vegetables and GM meat. In general, the North American market seems to pursue quantity over quality whereas the European market is just the opposite. I would humbly venture to say that GM pot is safe if the seeds were treated and no additional chromosones were altered using other gene modification. If some fool painted their plants with Colchicine then you could die. Just handling the substance can kill you but if you have Gout then it is the ONLY effective treatment. I just wanted to honestly answer the 50% question. The rest is purely academic.

I had not doubts that something could be created. My doubts are how safe and useful the process would be. In tests on other types of plants there have been mixed results. Some polyploid plants responded to the treatment and others did not. Some had visible differences, as in larger or smaller, and others did not. Some were severely stunted. When seeds were produced, in some the germination rate dropped significantly. Some only had a slight drop in germination rate but testing showed all had some reduction in germination rate. Some seeds would germinate but the seedlings would have malformed leaves and shortly died.

Creating something and creating something that is widely useful and also safe can be a horse of a different color. It will be interesting to see, over time, how widely the process works, as in what percentage of strains it works with when crossed and to what degree it works. It will also be interesting to find out if it is still considered to be safe in the long run or not, especially since there are so many different strains and until complete long term testing has been done no one will know for sure if there are any long term dangers or not. That sort of testing takes years and with such mixed results in tests on various other plants and varieties of the same types of plants clearly it does not work the exact same way each time it is used and the reason or reasons will need to be discovered.

The process looks promising but it seems a bit too soon to jump for joy and expect to see, as a result of the process, the Holy Grail offered by seedbanks anytime soon.

Well it has been over 30 years for Chemo. How long do you need? It has been done much longer than that using many other plants. People consume polyploid corn, etc. all the time. I am not trying to make a case for GM plants, just showing you how to push the envelope to get your elusive 50%.

BillyBudd said:

If you are ever in Vancouver, I could smoke you up and show you polyploid plants and explain everything but I am not going to get robbed/busted just to prove a point.

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you seem to know your shit but how do we know your not just a master social engineer like many growers? you have pics or any kind of further proof? what if i were to take a trip to vancouver and offer a large sum of cash just to see a bud? of coarse i'd want to examine it though. dont bring anything and no risk of getting robbed. dont worry about getting busted in canada, most cops are cool there. if i showed you cash you could then later show me or bring me a clone. i would also be alone. im also legal in my state. i dont blame you for not trusting anyone, thats why i will make an offer you cant refuse. i also grow as a hobby for medical patients. im not in it for money, im in it to improve the medical marijuana community.

Not Brag Just Fact:
The proof is in the pudding. The plant speaks for itself, the obvious tetraploid aspects and the resulting LEGENDARY product. I guess master social engineer is double speak for liar. I am not a liar. I am straight shooting BC boy and have survived a long time due to my integrity and honesty. This is the Wild West and there a lots of dead punks out here!

How Much For That Doggy In The Window?
You would risk taking a clone across the border? Most cops are cool here? You are too funny! I do not have to prove anything, I just wanted to answer the question as I had some knowledge of this super pot. I am not getting into transactional discussions here C'MON. I am not trying to sell anything as I am NOT ALLOWED - personal only! That way the way the cops are truly cool! They might ban us for even attempting to discuss this issue!

6 Degrees of Separation:
The OG man himself: I even had lunch beside David Suzuki when I was in Ontario. It was around 1989 when I worked for a major corporation near Carleton and Yonge street. We went into a restaurant one day, wearing our suits and ties, and David Suzuki himself was having lunch in there. He was working at CBC at the time which was next door to the restaurant. They gave him a privacy blind but we never bugged him. I did not know about his work with Chemo at that time, but I had heard of Chemo, or I would have hit him up for a spliff!!! I could not afford the Chemo clone at that time and never fully understood it. Hopefully I have learned enough now to work it and appreciate it!

UBC Chemo / OG Kush / Chemdog / Pink Kush Seeds:
I still laugh when I see seed companies offering these strains or supposed crosses. All crosses of tetraploids with diploids become triploids and the seeds are infertile due to chromosonal mismatch. You would have treat the triploids, again, to create a hexaploid and then cross to create a tetraploid which is a lot of extra steps...SO THERE ARE NO SEEDS OF TETRAPLOIDS - CLONE ONLY!!! The growers are not the liars, it is SOME of the seed companies. The growers, unknowingly, just regurgitate their lies. Growers are the "salt of the earth". Check out the Bible!

Do I Have Naked Pictures of my Girlfriend?
Yes, I do have some pictures on my cell phone right now but they are vegetative pictures only. I do not have a chip and interface so I cannot upload today. Workaround: I can send a text message with JPEG attachment to a friend who has internet access and have them upload or, better yet, borrow a camera. The pictures are not that great and it is difficult to discern the tetraploid structure, in my opinion, and I do want some better pictures. You will have to wait a couple of months for some pictures during flowering though. I will do this to substantiate my claims. I do have better things to do so please be patient. I will borrow a camera and take some good pictures during veg, very soon, and then later during flowering stage for educational purposes. Give me a couple of days, to acquire a camera with a chip, for some good vegetative pictures as I have to work for a few days before I can get to it.

Other Pictures:
I have seen many other pictures on the internet, of these strains, but ONLY one of them was the real deal and I cannot remember where. I have ruined a few video recorders and cameras by taking pictures in high humidity so I have to be careful. I will try to find the other real deal picture and provide you with the pertinent information.

When In Rome:
If you ever get out this way then message me - who knows?

BillyBudd said:

Yes, genetically modified tetraploid plants can almost achieve that THC level. I would guess 40-45% range as the maximum. You cannot, however, buy seeds as they are super elite clones ONLY. UBC Chemo / OG Kush / Chemdog / Diesel / Pink Kush / G-13. I believe that they are all the same strain which is NOT kush but an F1 cross of Thai x Afghani and then genetically modified to essentially double the THC content. It was initially created at the University of B.C. by Canadian David Suzuki and the Canadian Government (Health Canada) for chemotherapy patients. A single female clone was stolen in 1977. There was never a male tetraploid. These clones sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars and most people have NEVER, EVER smoked the REAL deal. Unless you know somebody then good luck...

You can tell a tetraploid by looking at the plant structure. You DO NOT have to stain it and look through a microscope to determine if it is real. It is obvious as it will have double leaves, double buds, double trichome density and hence double the THC. Do not confuse whorled phyllotaxy for polyploidism.

Breaking the code: G-13 (made famous in "American Beauty") from the University of Mississippi is probably another lie. They NEVER had a GM project. The 13th letter of the alphabet is M and according to Google G-13 is also a Suzuki engine. The person was very clever when making the name up as this tells you that it is genetically modified and created by Suzuki. The Chemdog story, like the others, is a joke, bagseed into legend, yea right. C H E M O O G (written in uppercase on a white label on the clone) can look like Chemdog to a dyslexic...OG Kush - another name change to capitalize on the Kush hype. Sorry but no Hindu Kush in it. The OG could stand for Ocean Grown as it was grown by the Pacific Ocean at UBC but it could be Original Gangsta' as it was supposedly sold, for a very high price, to a certain OMG who now have "the rights"...It is not permitted to be sold in clone form, only in finished product. That is why the name has probably changed.

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This whole statement is complete bullshit. As for the Kush part of OG Kush if you've smoked the old school afghan "kush" like was used in LA Con than you would know that OG definately has some of the same genetics simply do to the bud structure and terpene profiles. Also tetraploids are not guaranteed to produce double everything and just because their is more resin density doesn't mean it has a higher thc percentage. I think it's funny you have the common sence to no buy into the G13 story and then you come up with this even more outrageous story about clones that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

....... and just so you know even though the G13 legend is probably bullshit the government has and still grows weed through Ol' Miss. Been there, seen it, know people who have worked there.

BillyBudd said:

You would risk taking a clone across the border? Most cops are cool here? You are too funny! I do not have to prove anything, I just wanted to answer the question as I had some knowledge of this super pot. I am not getting into transactional discussions here C'MON. I am not trying to sell anything as I am NOT ALLOWED - personal only! That way the way the cops are truly cool! They might ban us for even attempting to discuss this issue!

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i live in mi, its on the border. yeah i would risk it. i am licensed in the state of michigan. also a relative of mine works border patrol, i just have to find when shes working. they could care less what i do as long as im within state law even tho the border patrol is fed. it's not like im transporting over my legal limit. now if it were coke or meth or something like that they would fucking flip.

NOTE: The second picture, with torn leaf and in rock medium, is NOT mine. This was taken from the internet, a while ago, and is purported to be Chemo. I believe that that the Chemo plant is the real deal. It looks just like mine, which are REAL tetraploids. I provided that photo to substantiate some of my claims. The rest are various pictures, of my Pink Kush clones, taken yesterday as per your request. Please note the extremely large meristem and the internal structure. These are all real tetraploids. The two monsters there are about 5 feet tall, 8 months old and will be flipped within a few days. They are extremely bushy internally due to the doubling. The stock is very woody and these are really hard to clone. When I received the clone, I was told that Pink Kush is a sister plant to OG Kush, is extremely valuable, and is not to be sold to anybody. I started researching the plant and discovered, I believe, the secrets of this beast. I sincerely believe that they are all from the same Chemo clone.

I will supply more pictures during flowering over the next several weeks but not until pistills are showing.

Everything I have posted can be researched and verified very easily.

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This whole statement is complete bullshit. As for the Kush part of OG Kush if you've smoked the old school afghan "kush" like was used in LA Con than you would know that OG definately has some of the same genetics simply do to the bud structure and terpene profiles. Also tetraploids are not guaranteed to produce double everything and just because their is more resin density doesn't mean it has a higher thc percentage. I think it's funny you have the common sence to no buy into the G13 story and then you come up with this even more outrageous story about clones that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

....... and just so you know even though the G13 legend is probably bullshit the government has and still grows weed through Ol' Miss. Been there, seen it, know people who have worked there.

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You obviously did not read my post very well.

1) I said there was NEVER a G-13 but only SCHWAG at the University of Mississippi. NOTE: They may grow fine product there now but it was schwag when Dalton Turner ran the show there. Ground up stems and seeds included in his product - WTF?

2) Kush (tasty) is from the Hindu Kush plant NOT Afghani (Gold Seal / Freedom Fighter hash but Afghanis can have somewhat of a fecal taste). There is NO Kush in Chemo (Thai x Afghani) so I speculate that there is NO Kush in the "sister plants". My Purple Kush plants are both (Purple Afghani x Hindu Kush) and are very tasty but are pure Indica and are NOT GMO.

3) I did not say hundreds of thousands, I said hundreds OR thousands. These full grown mother plants have, reportedly, sold for $10K and the small clones have gone for $1K. You probably pay $10 for spider mite infested schwag clones and cheap wine. You gotta pay if you wanna play!

4) Chemo was developed at the University of British Columbia by the Canadian government (Dr. David Suzuki) and NOT the U.S. government. The director of the program at U of M, at that time, was a real piece of work. Ask High Times about his paraquot testing machine. I do not think "American Beauty" would want to say that the Canadian government developed it unless they wanted to call it "Canadian Beauty" but that might cause box office issues. Hence the G-13 bullshit story...

i been doing some reading on genetics and polyploidy organisms. an example of a triploid is the seedless watermelon. certain strawberries are also decaploids. i hear of some marijuana strains such as purple urkle are available by clone only as they do not produce seeds. are these types of strains considered tetraploids because they're clone only? kinda like the seedless watermelon is a triploid. is this the same idea here?

also you say the tetraploid plants have twice as much as everything including thc production. if it produces twice the amount of everything, how is it producing twice the amount of thc? i mean maybe it's producing twice the amount of actual thc but wouldnt the ratio of thc and other chemicals still be the same? so really wouldnt the thc% still be the same? get what im saying?

thanks for all the info, i'm learning a lot more about genetics just from this. polyploid plants and even some mammals are really no secret. shouldnt this already be mainstream with weed?

skiweeds said:

someone said there is some new strain that is over 50% in thc. i called bullshit but they said it was a new strain but not sure of the name. am i right or is there really one out there?

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I've never seen proof that there is such thing as a strain above 25% thc. Until I see that, I won't believe it exists.

skiweeds said:

i been doing some reading on genetics and polyploidy organisms. an example of a triploid is the seedless watermelon. certain strawberries are also decaploids. i hear of some marijuana strains such as purple urkle are available by clone only as they do not produce seeds. are these types of strains considered tetraploids because they're clone only? kinda like the seedless watermelon is a triploid. is this the same idea here?

also you say the tetraploid plants have twice as much as everything including thc production. if it produces twice the amount of everything, how is it producing twice the amount of thc? i mean maybe it's producing twice the amount of actual thc but wouldnt the ratio of thc and other chemicals still be the same? so really wouldnt the thc% still be the same? get what im saying?

thanks for all the info, i'm learning a lot more about genetics just from this. polyploid plants and even some mammals are really no secret. shouldnt this already be mainstream with weed?

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Just because they do not produce seeds does not mean it is a polyploid. If I remember correctly, companies, like Monsanto, alter specific alleles within the chromosones to achieve seedless product without being a polyploid. Triploids, according to my research, are not as good as either parent. I could breed some triploids out and try it but that would have to be much later as I personally think it is a dead end and I have too many projects on the go. Monsanto likes these triploid seeds because they are known as "Terminator Seeds" and the customers must return to purchase more seeds each season. You can read up on Warmke or R.C. Clark (quoting Warmke) and they are guessing 166-250%. I would think 250% would be for weaker strains and the 166% for a stronger strain (just an educated guess). Take a wicked F1 hybrid topping at 25% (probably the maximum achievable without genetic modification) and then turn it into a tetraploid and you get 41.5% according to their accepted numbers. THC levels top out at 20-22% for pure indica or pure sativa, F1 hybrids (true cross only) top at about 25% but the GMO will take it to another level.

Read this: http://how-to-grow-cannabis.com/grow/growing/marijuana-cannabis-growers-almanac-FAQ-775.html

Dan Kone said:

I've never seen proof that there is such thing as a strain above 25% thc. Until I see that, I won't believe it exists.

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Yes, I am quite sure you will want FREE SAMPLES plus a complete THC/THCV/CBD/CBN Lab Analysis report from a reputable firm.

Ask anybody who has smoked a REAL tetraploid and they will tell you that it is the MOST memorable smoke EVER! Ask yourself these common sense questions:
(1) Why do rappers rap about it?
(2) Why is it a legend (under the various names)?
(3) Why would somebody pay $10K for a plant?
(4) Why would somebody grow it when it is a really difficult plant to manage?
(5) Why would people risk death and great expense to create one?

One reason answers all of these questions - Extremely high THC content.

Unnk said:

how the hell would that even work it would be as if there were no calyxs just HUGE trichromes lol im sorry anything that high would leave no area for plant material honestly the highest recorded on charts if seen were like 18 - 19

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Iv had herb that was tested at 23%, it was really fucking good, it was strawberry cough. Iv had stronger tho so i suspect that iv had weed in the high 20s. The strongest weed i have every smoked was easily no question Chiesel. Shit is soo strong that it seriously felt like i was freebasing fent, instant high. and its always as strong, almost impossible to build a tolerance to the stuff, i haven't yet. ITs the only weed where i was questing the purity of it, but then i again it is from a dispensary so there is no way its laced.

BillyBudd said:

Yes, I am quite sure you will want FREE SAMPLES plus a complete THC/THCV/CBD/CBN Lab Analysis report from a reputable firm.

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All settle for a THC lab analysis report. Until I see something that tests above 25% thc, then strains above 25% don't exist as far as I concern. Promises of thc above that are just seed banks trying to make $$ by bullshitting people.

I've seen 24.5%, but nothing above that. Fact is that if there were strains that had a higher thc % than that, someone somewhere would be cloning the shit out of them or at least selling the bud to clubs.

The fact that we only hear about them but never see them first hand means they are just bullshit rumors.

Dan Kone said:

All settle for a THC lab analysis report. Until I see something that tests above 25% thc, then strains above 25% don't exist as far as I concern. Promises of thc above that are just seed banks trying to make $$ by bullshitting people.

I've seen 24.5%, but nothing above that. Fact is that if there were strains that had a higher thc % than that, someone somewhere would be cloning the shit out of them or at least selling the bud to clubs.

The fact that we only hear about them but never see them first hand means they are just bullshit rumors.

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Clubs do not sell this and seed banks do not sell this but they use the legendary names which just confuses the issue. You might want read all of my postings on this topic because I feel you are missing some salient points. Did you follow that link and read that article quoted from R.C. Clark (chapter 3)? Do you know of R.C. Clark or David Suzuki? I agree that normal diploids do not go beyond 25% but tetraploids do exceed this threshold. I show you the proof and you are still in denial. You can lead a horse to water...

i just came along and read this thread but a pic of this 50% bud or at least better pics

BillyBudd said:

Clubs do not sell this and seed banks do not sell this but they use the legendary names which just confuses the issue. You might want read all of my postings on this topic because I feel you are missing some salient points. Did you follow that link and read that article quoted from R.C. Clark (chapter 3)? Do you know of R.C. Clark or David Suzuki? I agree that normal diploids do not go beyond 25% but tetraploids do exceed this threshold. I show you the proof and you are still in denial. You can lead a horse to water...

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Sorry, not buying it. If there was a such thing as bud that is above 25% thc, some club would figure out how to get a hold of it. These clubs are making millions of dollars each. If such a thing existed, they'd find a way to carry it. It'd be a huge draw. People from all over the bay area would come to their club. It's pretty easy for people to claim such a thing exists or to write about it, but if it actually existed, we wouldn't have to rely on legends. People would be getting rich off of it and we'd see it for sale.

I don't even care how low yielding the strain is. If there was bud that was 50% THC I'd buy a $50 gram just for the novelty.

BillyBudd said:

I show you the proof and you are still in denial. You can lead a horse to water...

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Show me the proof plz. I'll look at it.

Dan Kone said:

Show me the proof plz. I'll look at it.

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i agree and anyone who reads this post will want to see and like Dan Kone said the clubs would have it