over 50% thc strain, bullshit or not?

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
i agree and anyone who reads this post will want to see and like Dan Kone said the clubs would have it
Harborside Oakland brings in more than 10 million dollars per year. That same guy owns 6 more clubs that I know of. All are making a ton of cash. When they want a product in their stores, they find it and then over pay for it to insure they get it. If it was possible to create a clone that produced buds with over 30% THC, they would go out and pay what ever it takes to get it. If no one would sell it, they would hire a phd botanist (which they already have on the payroll) to produce it. Just like they did with those 10% CBD strains.

There are thousands of clubs in California. Thousands of commercial growers. I refuse to believe there is some special elite clone out there that can not be purchased or recreated by people who have millions of dollars to spend. I call bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRKH_BSsk0
 

aknight3

Moderator
you showed a plant that look lke it was topped 3 or four time lol, i hate to tell you but my plant last outdor looked like 5 of those plants that u showed, dude i grow plants with stems the size of my leg, they arent anything special or amazing, its just weed dude, i just cant beleive there beign a legendary mystical weed. sorry i want to, but i cant
 

BillyBudd

Member
Yes that plant was topped. What has that got to do with anything? The only thing most newer growers care about is YIELD and they usually do not even smoke. Then they wonder why they cannot unload their product when the glut hits...

I live in Canada and I do not know anybody who buys clones from clubs. There are only a couple of clubs in the entire province and they never sold clones before. They might now but I do not walk into those places. If you want GOOD clones you have know somebody special. That's how it is here. I have seen other U.S. growers complain about the quality of clones at your clubs. They state that the good clones do not get out to the clubs.

Well if it is all bullshit then I will not bother posting any pictures during flowering. I still cannot believe you guys have never heard of UBC Chemo and tetraploids. Oh you are American, that is why! Only in Canada eh! B.C. Bud rules!

BOTTOM LINE:
I agree that you cannot purchase seeds that will produce 50% THC content with a traditional diploid. I do believe, however, that GMO pot (tetraploids) will get you up to 35-40% range when grown well. Any believers can ask nice later and I will send pictures of the flowering and a smoke report. I will even try to get a lab report done for them as well. Who knows maybe the lab report will make me look a fool. I seriously doubt this. I will consider anything over 25% to be a success as that appears to be the generally accepted threshold level. >30% will be considered the "In Your Face" level. Sound fair?

Please do not ask for pictures for at least a month.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Yes that plant was topped. What has that got to do with anything? The only thing most newer growers care about is YIELD and they usually do not even smoke. Then they wonder why they cannot unload their product when the glut hits...
Yeah, just because people don't just believe you without proof doesn't mean they are new growers or don't even smoke.

I live in Canada and I do not know anybody who buys clones from clubs.
I live in Cali and I don't know of anybody who doesn't buy clones from clubs once in a while. It's just different down here. You can find pretty much any strain you want from clubs. When I want a particular strain I can just go to weedtracker and find out who has them. That's just how it is here.

There are thousands of these clubs and you can find just about anything you want. It's a billion dollar industry and the system has gotten pretty good. Clubs spend millions of dollars competing to get the best shit. It's not just a bunch of people who don't really know what they are doing. We're talking about pros here. If there is something really good out there, they do what ever it takes to get it.

There are only a couple of clubs in the entire province and they never sold clones before. They might now but I do not walk into those places. If you want GOOD clones you have know somebody special. That's how it is here. I have seen other U.S. growers complain about the quality of clones at your clubs. They state that the good clones do not get out to the clubs.
Most of the people who complain are usually the people making mistakes and blaming it on the clones. Most of my strains have been acquired from a club originally. I consistently get good results.

These are professionals running million dollar businesses. Not kids selling bullshit. They know what they are doing. (the good clubs at least)

Well if it is all bullshit then I will not bother posting any pictures during flowering. I still cannot believe you guys have never heard of UBC Chemo and tetraploids. Oh you are American, that is why! Only in Canada eh! B.C. Bud rules!
Hearing of something and actually seeing proof of something are two different things entirely. I'm not big on faith. I need to see proof of something before I believe it exists. I've heard of big foot. There are books written about big foot's existence. But that's not enough to prove that big foot exists.

I will consider anything over 25% to be a success as that appears to be the generally accepted threshold level. >30% will be considered the "In Your Face" level. Sound fair?

Please do not ask for pictures for at least a month.
Fair enough. Like I've said, I've never seen any buds above 24.5% thc. It you can show proof of something over 25% I will be a believer. Anything over 25% will be considered "in your face" level as far as I'm concerned. I will be amazed. 25.5% would be enough to convince me.
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
1) I said there was NEVER a G-13 but only SCHWAG at the University of Mississippi. NOTE: They may grow fine product there now but it was schwag when Dalton Turner ran the show there. Ground up stems and seeds included in his product - WTF?
I was agreeing with you.

2) Kush (tasty) is from the Hindu Kush plant NOT Afghani (Gold Seal / Freedom Fighter hash but Afghanis can have somewhat of a fecal taste). There is NO Kush in Chemo (Thai x Afghani) so I speculate that there is NO Kush in the "sister plants". My Purple Kush plants are both (Purple Afghani x Hindu Kush) and are very tasty but are pure Indica and are NOT GMO.
I was talking about the Afghani "kush" type plant or what is called kush. While it might not be kush it is completely different from most Afghani's.

3) I did not say hundreds of thousands, I said hundreds OR thousands. These full grown mother plants have, reportedly, sold for $10K and the small clones have gone for $1K. You probably pay $10 for spider mite infested schwag clones and cheap wine. You gotta pay if you wanna play!
My bad if I misread it but a G for a clone is retarded.

4) Chemo was developed at the University of British Columbia by the Canadian government (Dr. David Suzuki) and NOT the U.S. government. The director of the program at U of M, at that time, was a real piece of work. Ask High Times about his paraquot testing machine. I do not think "American Beauty" would want to say that the Canadian government developed it unless they wanted to call it "Canadian Beauty" but that might cause box office issues. Hence the G-13 bullshit story...
The G13 legend was around way before American Beauty came out and who ever said G13 was the same as chemo. G13 is just a potent indica that someone hyped up but that doesn't mean it's a bad plant, just try Killer Queen or anything from Shanti with G13 in it.

,,,,,,,,,and just so you know Chemo is not in anyway related to the OG/Diesel family and deffinately not G13. While the G13 story might be bullshit there most definately is a plant that was/is known as G13 and companies like BCGA, Mr. Nice, and may others have used the actual plant that was originally called G13 in there crosses and it in no way resembles chemo, diesel, og, or whatever.

I agree that you cannot purchase seeds that will produce 50% THC content with a traditional diploid. I do believe, however, that GMO pot (tetraploids) will get you up to 35-40% range when grown well. Any believers can ask nice later and I will send pictures of the flowering and a smoke report. I will even try to get a lab report done for them as well. Who knows maybe the lab report will make me look a fool. I seriously doubt this. I will consider anything over 25% to be a success as that appears to be the generally accepted threshold level. >30% will be considered the "In Your Face" level. Sound fair?
There is no research that conclusively says creating tetraploid cannabis will produce extremely potent weed. The varieties tested in the 40's where they found 150-266% increase in thc originally only contained about 1% thc so an increase to 2-3% is not that big of a deal and does not mean there could possibly be a 50% thc tetraploid.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Subbed for pics when available.

I currently grow a clone only strain that I picked up in Ohio when I was living there for work. It's called Dumpster and the roots are supposedly G13 and Northern Lights. If there are any Ohio folk on this board, they can attest to the quality of that 25+ year old strain. Anyways, I'm not sure if G13 actually exists but supposedly that's one of the parents.
 

skiweeds

Active Member
yes g13 does exist. im not sure if it lives up to a lot of the claims. i grow L.A. Confidential. fucking awesome top notch shit. it's the best i've seen in years. another fellow grower i know grows connie chung. connie chung is L.A. Confidential crossed with G13. i never smoked straight up G13, but i think the L.A. Confidential is even better than the connie chung. i think they just crossed it with G13 to increase the yield since L.A. is a low yield. dont get my wrong, the connie chung is awesome shit, but imo my LA was better. also in high times magazines, the LA feminized seeds are more expensive than both connie chung and g13. i know that doesnt necessarily mean its better, but chances are if thats how the prices are. i know you cant get it from the originator dna genetics anymore(out of stock). however many other companies have them available, as well as myself.

check out my grow journal if anyone is interested in how the LA looks. also my first indoor grow. however even though it was my first indoor, i didnt come in inexperienced. i used to be an outdoor guy and have helped with many indoor grows.
 

skiweeds

Active Member
Connie Chung is LA hit with the G13 Haze male not pure G13.
i think you're right, my bad. on the dna genetics site for LA Confidential it says "With Connie Chung Cannabis Seeds you'll create a monster! Being the love child of the LA Confidential and now legendry G13, we had big expectations of this plant. And we certainly weren't let down!"

however i think you're right because dna genetics only sells G13 Haze, not regular Haze. so im assuming they used the G13 haze with the mix. thanks for clearing that up.
 
Hey skiweeds, I'm not trying to steal your thread and i hope you don't mind me cyberstalking your posts LOL but I been reading and you seem to know wtf your talking about. I'm actually from the same area as you and don't be alarmed but I actually think I know who you are. I swear I'm not a cop or anything like that. Is there some way to send a private message or e-mail to you to see if I'm right? I don't want to talk about that in public. If I am correct about who you are you have a very strong reputation in the area as a hard worker and very trustworthy person. I just got my medical card and need a caregiver. Was wondering if your interested. If you are who I think you are, a relative of yours is a good friend of mine so you can ask them about me when we talk further and I tell you who I'm talking about. I'm just sick of all these bullshit caregivers and growers that i go through. They're all greedy idiots and sell wet and leafy garbage that is way over priced. I thought this legalization thing would actually help the weed market but around here it made things worse. To tell the truth, a lot of mid grade commercial gets me higher than this so called medical bullshit everyone is passing off as good shit is junk. Yeah it gets me high but it's wet and mostly leaf. Hope to hear from you and sorry if you feel alarmed. If I have the wrong person I'm very sorry and won't bother you anymore. I think it's you because there is only 1 person i been hearing of that popularized the dank L.A. Confidential in the area.
 

skiweeds

Active Member
Hey skiweeds, I'm not trying to steal your thread and i hope you don't mind me cyberstalking your posts LOL but I been reading and you seem to know wtf your talking about. I'm actually from the same area as you and don't be alarmed but I actually think I know who you are. I swear I'm not a cop or anything like that. Is there some way to send a private message or e-mail to you to see if I'm right? I don't want to talk about that in public. If I am correct about who you are you have a very strong reputation in the area as a hard worker and very trustworthy person. I just got my medical card and need a caregiver. Was wondering if your interested. If you are who I think you are, a relative of yours is a good friend of mine so you can ask them about me when we talk further and I tell you who I'm talking about. I'm just sick of all these bullshit caregivers and growers that i go through. They're all greedy idiots and sell wet and leafy garbage that is way over priced. I thought this legalization thing would actually help the weed market but around here it made things worse. To tell the truth, a lot of mid grade commercial gets me higher than this so called medical bullshit everyone is passing off as good shit is junk. Yeah it gets me high but it's wet and mostly leaf. Hope to hear from you and sorry if you feel alarmed. If I have the wrong person I'm very sorry and won't bother you anymore. I think it's you because there is only 1 person i been hearing of that popularized the dank L.A. Confidential in the area.
click on skiweeds, view profile, send private message. im sorry but i dont want anymore patients. i dont do this for money. it's asking for trouble imo. i dont want feds watching me. sure its legal by state law but i operate on a very small scale. i have too much on the line to risk any trouble. i make my money working an honest job, not selling weed. tell my relative to call me. if you are interested i can help you build your own setup so you can grow your own and not pay for it. it will cost you but if you have money to buy weed, you should be able to get money for a nice setup. i also need to make sure your medical card is legit. i probably am the person you are thinking. i don't know of anyone else in the area that has L.A. Confidential except people i have given plants and seeds to. you are right, everyone in the area is bullshit and only want money. they could care less about their product. sure they say it's good shit but it is nothing compared to what i produce. mostly because i actually dry and trim the shit right. nice to meet you. i pretty much try to keep private all the time but it dont take long for word to get out. so contact my relative and when they contact me i'm going to ask about you like how good you know them and such. if everything check out and your clear, i'd be glad to help you get a setup going. nice to meet you!
 

batters21

Member
Billydog i thankyou for the information you have provided.

i am looking forward to your flower pics, and ask you for some closeups (not just in flower) to educated all of us on the physical (observable) differences between dipliod (normal) and polyploid plants.

i have never heard of polyploid before i read your post, so i am thankful just for that. more research. i am well aware of tripliod technology, thru aquaqculture of all things. i have been quite surprised that this technology hasnt been utelised by the seed companies with better genetics, but then again this technolagy may well work differently with plants than with animals.

my question is your reasoning behind, say "doubling" or such the THC percentage thru polyploid technology it just seems to me that if this was the case production of other metaboloids would also double. n yer it still doesnt make 100% sense.

maybe tho its just to technical and THC% is increased as a result of other changes brought about by the polyploid technology.

i am by NOOO means an experienced grower as i have just started but this is all interesting stuff. n yes good ol mendel desearves a mention and that, led the way for many things.

cheers
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
Yes, genetically modified tetraploid plants can almost achieve that THC level. I would guess 40-45% range as the maximum. You cannot, however, buy seeds as they are super elite clones ONLY. UBC Chemo / OG Kush / Chemdog / Diesel / Pink Kush / G-13. I believe that they are all the same strain which is NOT kush but an F1 cross of Thai x Afghani and then genetically modified to essentially double the THC content. It was initially created at the University of B.C. by Canadian David Suzuki and the Canadian Government (Health Canada) for chemotherapy patients. A single female clone was stolen in 1977. There was never a male tetraploid. These clones sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars and most people have NEVER, EVER smoked the REAL deal. Unless you know somebody then good luck...

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I sent an email to David Suzuki through his foundation with a quotation of your statement and this is how he responded.

"There isn’t a shred of truth to the statement that you sent re: Cannabis and cochicine.

David Suzuki"

 

GardenKing

Member
When a strains specific THC content is displayed, they are referring to the total optimum THC percentage relative to OTHER CANNABINODS. 50% of the 'plant' is not THC, it simply means that THC accounts for 50% of all total cannabinoids.
However, 50% is likely WAY too high and simply sellings words.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Maybe your friend was talking about hash. The highest hash I've seen was 59% THC, but smoking the plant mater, THC wise it's physically impossible for the percentage to be any higher than 25%-26% (i personally say 30% depending on the grower, but that's at the mt absolute most).

There was an article about it in high times (if anyone cares i'll try to find out what month) that basically said after all after you include all the plant matter, non cannabinoids, water, cells...i.e. everything that makes up a plant, that the only thing left is about 25% (that number being the THC). And this was coming from a botanist at a highly respectable marijuana testing facility.
 
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