Palin faking birth of her new baby

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HotNSexyMILF

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Stoney McFried said:
I guess because it's no longer within her body.Whatever is inside a woman's body is under her jurisdiction.I cannot tell someone else what to do with something in her body.And I don't want anyone else to tell me what to do with mine.Now, if it's late term,might as well go ahead and have it...IMO.Many women, when they feel the baby move, are hooked.Pregnancy and labor take a big toll on the female body.I haven't been right since the birth of my second, which was an unexpected pregnancy I CHOSE to keep.Lot of pro lifers say Adoption, adoption.....but they never think that maybe the woman doesn't want to give birth at all.Women are more than just baby carriers.When the baby is born, it then qualifies as an individual.
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So basically it is because of how our species reproduces? If we were like chickens it would be different.

I agree many women do not want to give birth at all- even those that choose to go through pregnancy show this, this huge rise in scheduled c-sections shows that..

I understand the want to have the right to control your own body- but when your body contains the body of another, the subsequent life has no rights? That's the part that seems an oxymoron to me..
 
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I also agree about when the mother feels the baby move it changes everything, it makes the experience finally REAL. It's a magical experience, I'm sure you can agree stoney. I doubt many women could willingly want an abortion after that experience.
 
Stoney McFried

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I understand...but it always has been the woman's choice, even when they thought they had taken that choice away.There are natural ways to abort, and these were used frequently by wise women.I guess it does have to do with how we reproduce.Women (and don't climb all over me guys, its just the way nature is)seem to bear most of the burden of pregnancy, at least physically, so I don't understand why a bunch of men are usually the ones against abortion.You had your child, and so I had my own...but this was a choice we made.I couldn't tell you to keep or abort if you didn't want to...and noone else should be able to tell anyone else either.It is a very personal decision...one that all women have the right to make for themselves.
HotNSexyMILF said:
So basically it is because of how our species reproduces? If we were like chickens it would be different.

I agree many women do not want to give birth at all- even those that choose to go through pregnancy show this, this huge rise in scheduled c-sections shows that..

I understand the want to have the right to control your own body- but when your body contains the body of another, the subsequent life has no rights? That's the part that seems an oxymoron to me..
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Stoney McFried

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That's why I don't understand late term abortions if it is not life threatening...but, I can't tell someone else they have to feel the mothering instinct.If only there was a way to take the baby out, cheaply, and without harm, and either save it for when pregnancy is desired, or give it to a woman who could carry,but has no eggs of her own...but that in itself presents problems.
HotNSexyMILF said:
I also agree about when the mother feels the baby move it changes everything, it makes the experience finally REAL. It's a magical experience, I'm sure you can agree stoney. I doubt many women could willingly want an abortion after that experience.
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I agree that pregnancy and child birth is a very personal decision- I only vary in believing that decision should have been made and thought out before the pregnancy itself- even in unwanted pregnancies. There's plenty of information available, we all know pregnancy can be a result of sex, whether protected or unprotected.

Thank you stoney and med for being able to have a conversation on such strong differing opinions civilly.
 
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Stoney McFried said:
That's why I don't understand late term abortions if it is not life threatening...but, I can't tell someone else they have to feel the mothering instinct.If only there was a way to take the baby out, cheaply, and without harm, and either save it for when pregnancy is desired, or give it to a woman who could carry,but has no eggs of her own...but that in itself presents problems.
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I think it's the degradation of our society as a whole- it's values are rotting. The family is being ripped to shreds, and parents are willing to sell their children up the creek for a dollar these days. The parenting instinct seems to be a dying breed, along with self responsibility.. it truly is sad..:peace:
 
Stoney McFried

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There's no use in attacking someone just because they don't agree.Yes, you're right...prevention is foremost.When I got pregnant with my second, I was using a birth control method that had worked for seven years for me.I was told that where I live, you cannot get your tubes tied unless you have two children.The 4000 dollar price tag was also a bit prohibitive.Honestly, If I'd have been allowed to have the operation at 18, I would have.Not that I don't love my kids.It just seems that pregnancy gets forced on women sometimes.
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I agree that pregnancy and child birth is a very personal decision- I only vary in believing that decision should have been made and thought out before the pregnancy itself- even in unwanted pregnancies. There's plenty of information available, we all know pregnancy can be a result of sex, whether protected or unprotected.

Thank you stoney and med for being able to have a conversation on such strong differing opinions civilly.
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TodayIsAGreenday

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thats nice and everything... but DO you personally believe that an impregnated rape victim should not be allowed to be given that choice

yes or no

or should that woman have to live with her child being a constant reminder of her rape... that is presuming she dosnt give it up for adoption


i dont condone a woman sleeping around getting pregnant and aborting like all the time i do condone the right to choose if it is not a good idea for you or the baby or because of health issues

as to the definition of life... that is something that noone could ever get an exact definition of ... if you were to ask me id say you were breathing on your own, eating through your mouth and thinking... problem solving is a better way to put it

a baby recieves all of its nutriants from the mother through the imbillacal tube it dosnt breath there are brain waves its just there sitting there doing nothing

if you think about it a baby in the womb is kinda like a parasite

but for others the defintion of life is completely different obviously your are very set in your beliefes and you cannot be swayed but i still stand on my sperm theory

that sperm COULD of given life.

can you not see the connection im making here?
 
bobharvey

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I believe in pro-choice simply because I believe in freedom in every aspect of the word. I also believe in Karma. And I also believe in forgiveness.
 
Stoney McFried

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I have an opinion on that too.I think its because we've interfered a bit too much with natural selection, (and oh I know I'm gonna get it for this)allowing terminal people to wallow away as a vegetable on life support,letting people with serious genetic diseases reproduce(and I'm saying in the natural order, these folks would have died, but we keep them alive)and therefore, we are weakening humanity.Too many vaccinations...germophobia, flouride in the drinking water, a pill for everything...I mean a FLU vaccine! WTF! If you die from the flu, you probably should have.I know it sounds awful.Sometimes nature is awful.:peace:
HotNSexyMILF said:
I think it's the degradation of our society as a whole- it's values are rotting. The family is being ripped to shreds, and parents are willing to sell their children up the creek for a dollar these days. The parenting instinct seems to be a dying breed, along with self responsibility.. it truly is sad..:peace:
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bobharvey

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Stoney, it is called survival of the fittest. Even if your presumption that humanity is "weakened" is true there are still strong human genes and abilities that will survive.

That is how it works.
 
FLoJo

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Johnnyorganic said:
Such an astute observation! You know me so well. :razz:

Found you:


Love that outfit. Grr!
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you are such a tool johnny lol i cant believe you actually spend your time finding pictures of vagisil and hairy old bald men... you must have an odd fetish or two
 
misshestermoffitt

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I have a question for everyone concerning abortion.

Which is better, an abortion or giving birth and then beating the kid to death later on? You read about it every day, shaken baby syndrome, neglect, beatings, oops I "forgot" the kid in the car for 6 hours on a 110 degree day.

I also must say a woman deserves a choice. My youngest is 20 years old, I practice 3 forms of birth control, including tubes tied, and if I were to get pregnant at this stage in my life, I would sneak off ever so quietly and abort it. I wouldn't tell my husband I wouldn't want him to deal with the decision. We are both happy that our kids have grown and are ready to be together and enjoy each other.

If and when we become grandparents in the future that will be fine.
 
Johnnyorganic

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misshestermoffitt said:
I have a question for everyone concerning abortion.

Which is better, an abortion or giving birth and then beating the kid to death later on? You read about it every day, shaken baby syndrome, neglect, beatings, oops I "forgot" the kid in the car for 6 hours on a 110 degree day.

I also must say a woman deserves a choice. My youngest is 20 years old, I practice 3 forms of birth control, including tubes tied, and if I were to get pregnant at this stage in my life, I would sneak off ever so quietly and abort it. I wouldn't tell my husband I wouldn't want him to deal with the decision. We are both happy that our kids have grown and are ready to be together and enjoy each other.

If and when we become grandparents in the future that will be fine.
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Better to kill the babies in the womb I suppose. I don't like it, but I understand why it is necessary.

It would be wonderful if all babies could be wanted, but in truth they are not. As such, abortion is a necessary evil. And a STATE issue.

On the other hand, the Roe Effect has been in place.
Regular readers of this column know that for some time we have been pushing a pet theory about the political effect of abortion. We refer not to the issue of abortion but to the practice, and our theory is that abortion is making America more conservative than it otherwise would be. We base this on two assumptions. First, that liberal and Democratic women are more likely to have abortions. Second, that children's political views tend to reflect those of their parents--not exactly, of course, and not in every case, but on average. Thus abortion depletes the next generation of liberals and eventually makes the population more conservative. We call this the Roe effect, after Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court's 1973 decision that established a constitutional right to abortion.
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Johnnyorganic

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FLoJo said:
wow you really are a sick fuck arent you... now i feel bad for calling you out... you obviously have serious mental and psychological issues... are you a palin?
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Yes, my name is Rumor Palin, or maybe it's Scout. I forget. :twisted:

Shouldn't you be out humping a postal carrier's leg or chasing traffic somewhere?
 
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