Panama Red -Greenthumb Seeds

David Music said:

My age has nothing to do with the effects of cannabanoids.

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Sour Wreck said:

you are correct, but your understanding of the reality and the world do have a lot to do with your age.

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David Music said:

Im geussing by your posts you must be older than me. Either way the same could be said about your age.

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whitebb2727 said:

Nope. Not what I'm talking about. A bit more than that and less than a full on hallucination. I never said hallucination. I said visuals.

You're wrong.

It's obivous that some of here have experienced it. You have not.

Dont know what else to say.


Has to be or never had really good pot.

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David Music said:

As it says in the link i posted often times these visual distortions are confused with true visuals like one would get from hallucinogenic drugs like lsd and shrooms. Im not saying your not seeing things im just saying calling them "visuals" is quite a strech i can look at a optical illusion and say im having visuals but im not. View attachment 4153769

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yesum said:

You smoked the PR in the 70's white?

On the visuals. A lot of that could be just intense colors and perceiving things different. Best high ever I just saw intense color like everything was in a painting, and had a other worldly effect that I can not describe too well.

I have had the craziest visuals from closet grown Guerrero. I grew a male out and killed it after if showed sex. For the hell of it I smoked the top where the pollen is. I got a halo effect around an object, shimmering ring around a bud I was looking at on the screen. I also got closed eye visuals like patterns, colors, dots, stuff moving around. My best female Guerrero is trippy as hell but does not cause that much visual disturbance. Going to grow a bunch of the Guerrero to find a female that matches the male I had.

This Panama Red is quite close to the Guerrero in terms of the high. Lay off smoking for a week and I can trip on either no problem.

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OLD MOTHER SATIVA said:

dr grube
Here is the progression on the more calyxy Pr
somehow
after it started to reveg after the timer prob i got her to flower again
i am gonna give this clone another run..i think it may be a scorcher
it smells so good

she has been through a lot of crap and somehw looks like she will finish ok

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more than half of the Pr's i culled were like yours ,dr grube

after looking and hearing about your [trippy] success i may try one of them..

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yesum said:

You see my avatar Senor? The one pheno with a bit noids was the longer flowering pistillate one. The more dense and calyx laden one did not have the noids.

Snow got his PR from Breeders Choice Organization. I wonder if Dr. Greenthumb would even reveal his source.


Moldy, if you have any info on taste of smoke, appearance, any details of the high, such as visual distortion or other, please share so we can compare what we have today. I missed the Panama Red by a stroke of luck. Was gonna be a 30 ton shipment coming in and I lost contact with the importer. Could have been Colombian Red and they sold it as Panama Red as this guy was not a smoker and was gonna use me to verify the load as quality stuff. I never had the PR but said I knew top pot which was true.

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yesum said:

Interesting Moldy thanks. I also had a bit of balance issue and the jerky mental effect with one of the highs from the PR. One pheno had me feeling lost in a swirling ocean being pulled this way and that. I got up from sitting and bumped into the wall as if I had been drinking a lot. If I was walking or just looking around at different things, I would get the feeling that I was seeing pictures of everything, rather than a continuous view, so a jerky type effect.

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Moldy said:

I was around 18 or so then, not burning everyday like I am now so just minor disclaimer.

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Dr Gruber said:

SMOKE REPORT—







Final Weight



Plant 1 - 11.33 oz

Plant 2 - 8.35 oz

Plant 3 - 9.71 oz









INFO-

Tester Name:

Dr Gruber and friends.

Dr Dhaktar and my old friend from the MMMA website, Bisheroo, helped with the smoke test.







Strain:

Panama Red





Breeder:

Dr Greenthumb







Grower:

Dr Gruber







Method Smoked:

Joints

Glass Pipes

Vapes



Soil/Hydro:

Promix Potting Soil-(Drain to Waste)









Flower Time: 98-105 days

I didn't follow Doc's advice on flowering so this could finish somewhat sooner if I had. There is also a early pheno that I didn't get. Luck of the draw.





Grow Comments-

It's a different ballgame growing a long flowering Sativa like this but I didn't have any problems that couldn't be addressed with a slight change in feeding habits. I used a foliar feed throughout the grow which I've never done before and it helped when the plant was prematurely going yellow. The plant stayed healthy early in the grow with minimal effort, the hard part was maintaining that health for the long term. Based on advice, I also tried something different for me. For the last 2-3 weeks I fed only water, letting the leaves yellow and die on the plant. I think this is the closest to the old days when it was grown outdoors in Panama. From what i see, they don't need excessive nutrients, and I ran them fairly low, (300ppm) every feeding.







For this portion of the report, I enlisted the help of two friends. I made my own notes while they made theirs and I put them together to write the report. Their comments are in "quotes".



Smell-



Dr Dhaktar- "nicely fragrant but does not stink up the whole room. A definite smell of pine-ish/turpentine that is smoothed out by a natural hay/grass scent."





My comments-- Sweet grass and hay with dankness underneath. Don't let this fool you. Its not like a shitty homegrown smell.





Associated smells of bud:

Floral.

Spice









TASTE-

Dr D -"Can't quite put my finger on it...kind of like pine, a touch of spice, a bit floral. Also caught a note of dish soap."



Bisheroo - "Like a warm, early summer evening, walking in the pines, with the scent of honeysuckle, lilac, and lavender, in the air, near a cabin that is burning a kerosene lamp."





Very sweet and floral with a touch of spice. The grass type smell comes through in the flavor and it is actually delicious. Not like smoking hay or grass from badly grown marijuana.

This is not like the terpene loaded MJ of today. Not greasy or oily in the same way and it shows in the taste and feeling of the smoke as it enters your lungs. Hard to describe but definitely different and welcome.





Associated flavors:

Spice









Flavor Intensity-(Sour Diesel or Bubba Kush would be a 9 or 10.)

7











Harsh/smoothness: (1-10, 1 being extremely harsh and 10 being extremely smooth) --

6

This one seems to cause a bit of dry throat. Not harsh but not exceptionally smooth either. Burns a bit hot.















Flavor Comments-

This is completely different from todays big terpene strains and its a good thing. The flavor really brings me back many years as it is very different than anything I've tasted in a long time. The sweet grass and spice is very nice indeed and shouldn't be confused with "bad" flavor. The hay smell is not found in the flavor at all.

It's such an old school flavor that it brings me back to the 1970's and the good times associated with it. I love this shit!



BUZZ Profile—



Dr Dhaktar- "Immediate, pleasant, euphoric high. Sometimes causes paranoia and confusion for the first 15-30 minutes but then levels off to a very enjoyable, up and active buzz. Extremely positive, energetic and intense high."







Bisheroo- "Great daytime strain. Strong head buzz that is highly motivating."



Agree with everything they said.

I love the paranoia feeling and think it turns into the best high imaginable. My favorite buzz type.

This is truly different from todays MJ and it opens up the range of possibilities in buzz profiles. After years of smoking the top buds of the day, my range of possible buzz profiles had shrunk without my even knowing it.

This is an eye opener.

I had forgot the extreme, clean, energetic, buzz types, and just how different they can be, even from a really nice Sativa hybrid. This is so much different that I cannot express it enough.

It's, almost all head with very little body buzz.



It starts with a few minutes of no buzz at all. Then creeps in and rocks your shit.

I find myself tripping out and forgetting where I am, or what I'm doing. Very visual and psychedelic.

This creates a slight panic feeling and could cause some extreme paranoia but i find it to be fairly mild and not disconcerting but rather enjoyable. It takes me on a journey to never before seen landscapes in my mind.

Dr Dhaktar, finds the paranoia a bit unsettling so be careful, it's a matter of preference and sensitivity. He had an experience at the bank where he couldn't remember how to fill out the deposit slip because he was so paranoid and felt he was being watched. This happened to him more than once at different locations.(supermarket, etc)

But, even with that, he still loves this strain and enjoys it more than any I've given him before.



After the confusion/paranoia wears off, you want to get up do something. I find myself thinking of too many things to accomplish all at one time but I still want to try. It makes the mind race with creative possibilities. "Should I do this, or should i do that, or, should I do it all?"

And, to top it off, it lasts for a very long time with no burnout whatsoever. This could actually be the longest lasting buzz I've experienced. Period.

I have no idea how this will test out at a lab but if the numbers are low, this proves that it's not all in the numbers.

It's trippy, its creative, its energetic, and it lasts a long, long time without any crash.

Love, love, love it!



Potency: (1-10, 1 being extremely weak and 10 being extremely potent)

9










Duration: (length of buzz, from first hit)

3-5 hours

4-6 hours











Munchies: Yes/no----

My friend says …no

I say yes...

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FLAVOR-



CHEMICAL ASTRINGENT-



Turpentine (x)

Metallic ()

Ammonia ( ) - urine () - vinegar ( )

Bleach ()

Lotions (x) -

Plastics ( )

Glues ( )

Fuel ()

Rubber ()

Eucalyptus (x)

Menthol ()







SWEET-

Grass (x)

Fruity ( )

Berry ( ) -

Black/Blue/Raspberry ( )

Citrus ( ) -

Orange () -

Lemon ( ) -

Lime () -

Apple () -

Mango () -

Grape () -

Cherry () -

Tutti Fruity ()

Floral ( xx) -

Perfume () -

Blossom (x)

Tangerine()

Spearmint ()

Peppermint ( )

Caramel ()

Pineapple ()

Sugar ()





Bitter-

Grapefruit-()











Sour-



Lemon -()

Lime-( )

Vinegar ( )













SPICY-



Woody ( )

Incense (x)

Hardwood ( )

Sage ( )

Juniper ( )

Cedar ()

Pine (x)

Basil ( )

Garlic ( )

Dill ( )

Clove ()

Parsley ()

Pepper ()

Hash ()

Tobacco ()

Chocolate ()

Coffee()

Lavender Spice ()

Toasted Almond ()

Gunpowder ()

Camphor ()







MUSKY-



Earthy ()

Loam ()

Dirt ()

Musty ()

Dusty ()

Alberta spruce ()

Gamey ()

Sweet skunk ()

Skunk ( )

Botanical ()

Hay (xx)

Autumn leaves ( )

Trees ()

Tangy ()

Manure ()

Moldy ()

Cheese ()





Final Comment-

It should be noted that one of the 3 plans had no paranoia to it at all and one of them had a bit of a crash at the end where the others didn't.



It's not a good bag appeal strain as the buds tend to be wispy and thin when grown indoors. Some will be disappointed just by the look of it alone before even smoking it.

I found that the smokers over 50 loved it and the younger peeps didn't. Some people had a hard time as soon as they saw it and I think that has a lot to do with their lack of enjoyment.

As someone once said " too many people smoke with their eyes these days".

I couldn't agree more.

This goes straight to the top of my list as one of the three or so most enjoyable strains I've had the pleasure of sampling. I still love the high terpene strains of today and wouldn't give them up but this is such a different thing that its almost a different drug.

It has great raw potency but its different then the more narcotic buzz types that I enjoy from todays top strains. It will leave you confused but not glued to the couch or burnt out.

Fucking Awesome!







Medical qualities:

Mood enhancement

Depression relief

Some pain relief form distraction

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Quaze_Quest said:

Sir
What a great thread and grow! what lighting schedule have u used?
thanks for sharing

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