Pandemic 2020

Raising animals on a industrial scale will always breed pandemics, they have even originated in America before.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

ok, point taken, i'll delete it then
but there is still something not right in the eastern hemisphere....

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I get the thrust of your questions even if those could have been taken as sino-phobic. I didn’t think you meant it that way, certainly not like Trump meant it when he called Covid the “China virus” or the “Kung-flu” in a direct nod to the same overtly racist and inflammatory language/rhetoric coming from the right wing social media fever swamps.
Parts of China and some other southeastern asian regions can be pretty effective breeding ground for viruses based on farming practices, population density, and the wide array of different animals that are consumed for food there. Avian influenza in particular has an advantage due to the vast number of chickens farmed in China.
Parts of Africa can be sources for rather alarming viruses too - there’s a lot of wildlife in rainforests and some have yielded rather frightening virus outbreaks like Ebola.

C. Nesbitt said:

I get the thrust of your questions even if those could have been taken as sino-phobic. I didn’t think you meant it that way, certainly not like Trump meant it when he called Covid the “China virus” or the “Kung-flu” in a direct nod to the same overtly racist and inflammatory language/rhetoric coming from the right wing social media fever swamps.
Parts of China and some other southeastern asian regions can be pretty effective breeding ground for viruses based on farming practices, population density, and the wide array of different animals that are consumed for food there. Avian influenza in particular has an advantage due to the vast number of chickens farmed in China.
Parts of Africa can be sources for rather alarming viruses too - there’s a lot of wildlife in rainforests and some have yielded rather frightening virus outbreaks like Ebola.

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yeah, i didn't intend to incite anyone to beat up Asians because they're causing shit...
it just seems like you read about a lot of different illnesses coming out of China..it doesn't seem like they're taking adequate precautions to prevent these illnesses. i realize there are a lot of them, and they have to do some pretty intensive farming, but that's no excuse to allow unsanitary conditions. they're a communist country, all they have to do is make things mandatory, and appoint a lot of inspectors, they have the man power.

schuylaar said:

i don't like secrecy and lying; we've been through too much; all citizens have lost family, friends because of inaction of our last.

Chopper Talk not necessary; a true plan shared with us is.

i keep reminding myself Obama took 18 months with the mess he was left; this is just so much bigger. Obama had 8 and i know Joe says he'll run again but c'mon he'll be 80 and the job is hard on the man- except for Trump he looks the same but that's what happens when you sell your soul, you don't age.

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I count the lucky stars that The Donald was to much the clown to be a real anti-christ, but the stupid MF paved the way for someone more devious and smart to FK things up royally, and unfortunately the road he has paved cannot be undone IMO, hope I'm wrong and we get responsible leaders from here on out, but that peckerhead did some real and lasting damage.Gen. Miley actually had to convince his Chinese counterpart that our armed forces were safely locked down and could'nt be manipulated by Donald as a distraction during all the election controversy which is pretty stunning.ccguns

CCGNZ said:

I count the lucky stars that The Donald was to much the clown to be a real anti-christ, but the stupid MF paved the way for someone more devious and smart to FK things up royally, and unfortunately the road he has paved cannot be undone IMO, hope I'm wrong and we get responsible leaders from here on out, but that peckerhead did some real and lasting damage.Gen. Miley actually had to convince his Chinese counterpart that our armed forces were safely locked down and could'nt be manipulated by Donald as a distraction during all the election controversy which is pretty stunning.ccguns

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that's the whole point. chaos. any way to stay in. he pulled every lever he could; even a few extra from underneath his Mob Boss coat.

you getting SSDI or SS? he wanted that and was preparing to take it by installing his puppet at the helm (Biden had to fire him and he still wouldn't leave; he got an escort) and conveniently talking about no more payroll taxes circa August 2020. luckily, with their lack of brain matter, they didn't catch on..or maybe they did and decided to not pick up that prompt?

everyone knows meemaw and peepaw depends on the 1st.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

. . . . . . . . . .but there is still something not right in the eastern hemisphere....

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It's like a tear in the hands of a western man
Tell you about salt, carbon and water
But a tear to a chinese man
He'll tell you about sadness and sorrow or the love of a man and
A woman.

'Stop the nonsense': See doctor's message to DeSantis

Dr. Jonathan Reiner discusses Gov. Ron DeSantis' (R) promotion of "natural immunity" as a new study finds that immunity wanes more for people who are naturally infected than vaccinated.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

yeah, i didn't intend to incite anyone to beat up Asians because they're causing shit...
it just seems like you read about a lot of different illnesses coming out of China..it doesn't seem like they're taking adequate precautions to prevent these illnesses. i realize there are a lot of them, and they have to do some pretty intensive farming, but that's no excuse to allow unsanitary conditions. they're a communist country, all they have to do is make things mandatory, and appoint a lot of inspectors, they have the man power.

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A big part of it is their traditional foods include a lot of wild game. But now they live in huge cities, so they farm the wild game. And even in the small villages the people live with their animals. Easy for things to cross between human and non human animals.

Marburg virus even made a appearance in 2021, lets hope 2022 is at least a little better.

captainmorgan said:

Marburg virus even made a appearance in 2021, lets hope 2022 is at least a little better.

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Thank god it’s not airborne.

Yet

Last night I went out to buy an old radio to convert into a guitar amp. I was disappointed when I got there as the guy had it playing in the hallway. I do not have the heart to chop it up but still bought it for $10. He was masked but I was, not going anywhere without my N-95 now. Driving home was treacherous, not many people out. Then going down a major artery a line of cars in the far lane? I drove farther and remembered why after a few more blocks of cars. I estimated well over 100, at the end a dive in covid testing station.

captainmorgan said:

New variant in France.

BREAKING! Southern France Reports Spread Of New SARS-CoV-2 Variant B.1.640.2 With 46 Mutations And 37 Deletions Originating From Cameroon! - Thailand Medical News

French health authorities have reported the spread of a new SARS-CoV-2 variant B.1.640.2 that possess 46 mutations and 37 deletions including the N501Y and E484K mutations. As of press time, a total of 67 patients all displaying moderate and severe conditions of the disease and requiring...

www.thailandmedical.news

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I was meaning to check out the Thai website recently. Was a good source in the past for real information.

Sen. Rubio: 'Irrational Hysteria' Over COVID-19 Surge
"Record numbers testing positive for a sore throat isn't a crisis," Rubio tweeted.

"And people in the hospital for car accidents testing positive isn't a surge. The real crisis is the irrational hysteria which has people with no symptoms waiting hours for a test or missing work for 10 days."

His comments come as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported more than 75,900 new cases of COVID-19 in Florida Friday.

That tally raises the 7-day average daily to 42,600, which is twice as high as it was at the peak of this summer's surge when the delta variant fueled a surge of infections in the state.

Friday's report marks a single-day record for the number of new cases in Florida. It breaks the record set a day earlier when more than 58,000 cases were reported in the state.

The omicron variant of the coronavirus has spiked in Florida and across the nation over the past few weeks.

Rubio has long criticized the hysteria over COVID-19.

Last August, he tweeted: "We have media hysteria over Covid "cases" because "bad news" sells But what matters isn't how many people have Covid, what matters is how many people are seriously ill The real story here is how for the fully vaccinated the risk of serious illness appears to be near zero."

injinji said:

A big part of it is their traditional foods include a lot of wild game. But now they live in huge cities, so they farm the wild game. And even in the small villages the people live with their animals. Easy for things to cross between human and non human animals.

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i respect other peoples cultures, and don't expect them to just abandon theirs and adopt mine. however, this is very similar to people not wanting to take the vaccine to me...they say it's a personal decision, but that personal decision effects everyone around them, and then everyone they interacted with is potentially passing the virus along without knowing it...
living with livestock passes things back and forth, then other people come and get infected, then they pass it along to other people, some of whom travel...
perhaps it's time to change some traditional behavior that's effecting all your neighbors in a big ripple....maybe?

injinji said:

It's like a tear in the hands of a western man
Tell you about salt, carbon and water
But a tear to a chinese man
He'll tell you about sadness and sorrow or the love of a man and
A woman.

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so there are no poetic souls in the west, and nothing but poetic souls in the east? that seems to presuppose a lot, from several different angles

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i respect other peoples cultures, and don't expect them to just abandon theirs and adopt mine. however, this is very similar to people not wanting to take the vaccine to me...they say it's a personal decision, but that personal decision effects everyone around them, and then everyone they interacted with is potentially passing the virus along without knowing it...
living with livestock passes things back and forth, then other people come and get infected, then they pass it along to other people, some of whom travel...
perhaps it's time to change some traditional behavior that's effecting all your neighbors in a big ripple....maybe?

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People live with livestock all over the world.

Ending livestock worldwide solves many problems, not least of which are environmental.

CunningCanuk said:

People live with livestock all over the world.

Ending livestock worldwide solves many problems, not least of which are environmental.

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i'm not suggesting "ending livestock"...i'm suggesting they start building barns, coops, hutches, whatever. it's unsanitary, it would be a quality of life improvement, and would stop one vector of disease development. i'm not saying they're inferior people, i'm saying they're living in unsanitary conditions, and the ease of travel worldwide is now starting to make those unsanitary conditions a global issue

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i'm not suggesting "ending livestock"...i'm suggesting they start building barns, coops, hutches, whatever. it's unsanitary, it would be a quality of life improvement, and would stop one vector of disease development. i'm not saying they're inferior people, i'm saying they're living in unsanitary conditions, and the ease of travel worldwide is now starting to make those unsanitary conditions a global issue

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I know you’re not suggesting ending livestock, I am. I could get used to GMO burgers if it helped reduce infectious diseases and the environment, couldn’t you?

There are unsanitary conditions in Canada and the US too.

CunningCanuk said:

People live with livestock all over the world.

Ending livestock worldwide solves many problems, not least of which are environmental.

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I’m for doing away with livestock just as soon as I can 3Dprint a ribeye and some sushi.