papaver somniferum poppies :)

PLUS rep SHEPJ for that ADDICTIVE chart!

Nice to throw that into prospective...

Yah.... and it's so misleading... go ahead... master Opium and Heroin. I dare you.... nicotine is a greater danger....according to the chart.

be serious.... instead of STUPID.... yah I said it.... STUPID

you see barrels and barrels of alcohol and lining liquor stores on every corner... HENCE its addictive and flashy qualities!

Sure.... it's all the same....

I see ruined lives for your futures. I advise you to stay away from opiates. I don't think you have a chance.

The dragon will eat you if you let your guard down. You two don't have your guard up.

I think this drug may be too mature for you both.

You guys are retarded, i'm sorry I had to put it that way. Just because something is very TOXIC doesn't mean it's highly addictive. Heroine is much more TOXIC than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it's more addictive. Like shep said, it's like 2000 deaths a year compared to like 80000 I forget the other number.

And were not even talking about heroine!! Opium is around 12% morphine and a few percent codeine. Heroine is TWICE as powerful as morphine so if all you grow is a little bunch of poppies for personal use you'll be fine.

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You guys are retarded, i'm sorry I had to put it that way. Just because something is very TOXIC doesn't mean it's highly addictive. Heroine is much more TOXIC than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it's more addictive. Like shep said, it's like 2000 deaths a year compared to like 80000 I forget the other number.

And were not even talking about heroine!! Opium is around 12% morphine and a few percent codeine. Heroine is TWICE as powerful as morphine so if all you grow is a little bunch of poppies for personal use you'll be fine.

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I hope I'm not one of those idiots you're referring to!

ndangerspecimen101 said:

PLUS rep SHEPJ for that ADDICTIVE chart!

Nice to throw that into prospective...

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Sure thing dude, I know it isn't a danger chart.. but the addiction portion I thought was neat.

CrackerJax said:

Yah.... and it's so misleading... go ahead... master Opium and Heroin. I dare you.... nicotine is a greater danger....according to the chart.

be serious.... instead of STUPID.... yah I said it.... STUPID

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It is not misleading..

80,000+ deaths from alcohol (overdose) and 625,000+ people die annually from tobacco use. That is just in the United States.

I am not saying to "master" opiates.. I am saying to use caution. If you are to say it is stupid tell that to every Pharmacy and every Physician!

Prescribed Opiates/Opioids:

Codeine
Morphine
Dolophine (Methadone)
Oxycodone
Fentanyl
Hydrocodone
Oxymorphone
Hydromorphone
Meperidine
Propoxyphene (Darvon)
Pethidine (Demerol)
Diphenoxylate (Lomotil)
Laudanum (Opium Tincture)
Levorphanol
Nalbuphine (Nubain)
Naloxone (Narcan)
Buprenorphine
Naltrexone

And on and on.. (probably thousands more) and half are more dangerous than Heroin (Diacetylmorphine) have ever thought of being!

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you see barrels and barrels of alcohol and lining liquor stores on every corner... HENCE its addictive and flashy qualities!

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You are damn right you do! Alcohol on TV, in magazines, in EVERY store! It is praised in this country! Tobacco use is EVERYWHERE!

CrackerJax said:

Sure.... it's all the same....

I see ruined lives for your futures. I advise you to stay away from opiates. I don't think you have a chance.

The dragon will eat you if you let your guard down. You two don't have your guard up.

I think this drug may be too mature for you both.

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That is true! Opiates are a nasty creature to get involved with.. generally speaking the your quality of life drops a bit once you get on them.

Too mature for the both of us? Dude I will tell anyone anyday to stay away from drugs (especially prescription meds and opiates/opioids in general). I used to fucking live with a group of friends in a fucking heroin trafficking house, I have seen first hand what it fucking does to people. I am not just bullshitting you with statistics, I have seen the violence, and gangs, and all the terrible shit that goes into the drug. I do not need to be told about it. I would not touch it if you paid me! It is an extremely dangerous drug, but to con yourself into believing that one addictive substance is "worse" than something like alcohol/nicotine (simply because they are not illegal) is abso-fucking-lutely rediculous.

victozap said:

You guys are retarded, i'm sorry I had to put it that way. Just because something is very TOXIC doesn't mean it's highly addictive. Heroine is much more TOXIC than alcohol, but that doesn't mean it's more addictive. Like shep said, it's like 2000 deaths a year compared to like 80000 I forget the other number.

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Diacetylmorphine (unadulterated IV'd heroin) is EXACTLY 2-times more toxic than Ethanol (Alcohol).


I can cite that if you would like?

No haha that's alright that number sounds about right.

People don't really understand the toxicity and addiction potential of alcohol and nicotine because they are so commercialized in our society to the point where nearly nontoxic marijuana consumption is frowned upon by the alcoholic who smokes a pack a day.

victozap said:

No haha that's alright that number sounds about right.

People don't really understand the toxicity and addiction potential of alcohol and nicotine because they are so commercialized in our society to the point where nearly nontoxic marijuana consumption is frowned upon by the alcoholic who smokes a pack a day.

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meh, most of my posts are very directed "in general" (if you will). So if someone random wants to see the chart I have the source (which is actually really cool, Marijuana > LSD > Psilocybin -in order from lesser to greater- are the three least toxic substances).

The bolded section is the only reason I have been arguing. Taboo and propaganda can be scary.

The underlined.. is something I could not try to say better myself. The only way I know how to say it is:

Victozap +rep

hmm, wow this got interesting. well as far as poppy tea goes, i can personally say, i would have a hard time getting into enough to become addicted. i didn't like the after affects so much and will probably will not use it to often. yes it got the job done, but my stomach felt very unpleasant to say the least the next day. maybe it was caused by something else but who knows, but on to a new adventure as i'm trying kratom tonight

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hmm, wow this got interesting. well as far as poppy tea goes, i can personally say, i would have a hard time getting into enough to become addicted. i didn't like the after affects so much and will probably will not use it to often. yes it got the job done, but my stomach felt very unpleasant to say the least the next day. maybe it was caused by something else but who knows, but on to a new adventure as i'm trying kratom tonight

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This thread got filled with crap fast ne ways Kratom is addictive also. Its used alot to easy the at home kick of Opities Witch leads to a new set of problems. Take it from someone thats been through this crap. Stay with the green

All I have ever said is.... show the opiates respect. I think you're being a bit too complacent about them. They have their place... heck I've done it myself. But only in measured amounts and never repeatedly.

Opium is so dang good, it would be EASY to fall into a habit. There in lies the danger.

That chart makes me cringe ... I see bunches of young kids looking at that, and thinking, hey...that's no big deal. Oh, but they would be very very wrong thinking that. But once you find out on ur own...it's too late.

I agree with Salty ... stay with the green. Opium is to be dabbled in....occasionally. Anything more is courting disaster.

From my personal experience, I'd have to say that opiates are much more dangerous than alcohol for the individual taking them (as opposed to society). To me, these statistics mostly point out how ubiquitous alcohol is - and, that is why it's so bad for society... so many people drink (many drink too much).

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*82% of adjudicated delinquent adolescents had at least one alcoholic parent.
*In 44 - 70% of the reported cases of battered women, the offender was drunk.
*70% of adult women alcoholics were sexually abused as children.
*Children of alcoholic parents are twice as likely to develop their own alcohol problems.
*80% of all adolescent suicides have been reported to be children of alcoholic parents.
*55 - 75% of homicide victims and
* 40% of rape offenders had been drinking at the time of the incident;
* 50% of those who commit sex abuse crimes also abuse alcohol.
*An estimated 480,000 children are mistreated each year by a caretaker with alcohol problems.

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Haha what a debate! So I still want to know what the deal is with growing your own poppies anyway? Anyone have any pics of them growing?

The key to life ... in all ways... is moderation. With Opium... it is an absolute must.

Please don't ever tell anyone Opium is no big deal.... it is.

I'd say with opium, no more than half a gram on any day and no more often than every 5 days. Kratom similarly with 4 or 5 days between doses does not seem to be habit forming.

ANC said:

I'd say with opium, no more than half a gram on any day and no more often than every 5 days. Kratom similarly with 4 or 5 days between doses does not seem to be habit forming.

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That sounds about right.

Personally it will vary a bit, some people find something to be their poison and really need to space it apart, whereas some people simply do not fancy the substance as much and can use it more frequently without getting hooked.

Still, play it safe. ANC has good advice.

Think of Opium as that "special occasion" drug. Don't forget that every day you do Opium is a day you lose. Don't throw too many away.... the quantity available is ... unknown.

But this is also why I recommend growing a few poppies yourself, you have a small fixed amount when you are done, and no access to more till the next season.