PC Case grow - Stealth + Perpetual + LST

gumball

gumball

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Oh, I have gotten about 15 pages into the thread, right past your first spell of heat issues. I had an idea for you if you have more heat issues, double stack ur fans together. It only uses a littl more space, only requires extra length screws, and as long as the individual fans are somewhat silent it should be pretty quite. Your plexi-shield looks to have cleared up your temps though.

I plan to build a 7" square cool tube (for the square pc fans) out of plexi-glass from the ideas that your plexi heat shield gave me. It will have a 120mm fan supported by bungees blowing into, and another 120mm encased with thick foam on the other end to suck the air out of the box. I will post a pick of it when I am done if you don't mind.

Again, thanks for the idea's, your like a plethora of them!
 
floridasucks

floridasucks

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i heard that Barneys kush is a real good smoke, hope you enjoy.

i dont i posted my last harvest after the ak. i did some amazing blueberry that i have revegging now.

check out these blueberry nugs, hope u dont mind v12.


 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Wow fs, they are beautiful pics. Your buds just cry out to be smoked. I trust I can leave that job in your capable hands :)

Hey gumball, I'd love to see the cooltube.
As we both turn on the lights at night I have one more thought that may be of use to you.
I found a cute trick last year that allowed me to use cuttings without changing my lights. Once plants go out to reveg I can take a cutting, put it in a dome and pop it in the case. In the morning before lights out I can then take it out and stick it on the windowsill for some all day sun. The dome prevents people working out what it is. Once the lights go back on it goes back in the case. That way it gets 20+ hours of light to sort out a root system but doesn't require a separate cutting chamber or any changes to my little 12/12 oasis. It's a bit of faffing about but saves a lot of money on seeds.
 
gumball

gumball

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Did u try that cloning technique yet? Sounds interesting enough. Maybe I could mix the clone in with some of my wifes plants, u kno incognito as a plant! Thanks!
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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I used it last year and it worked perfectly. Clones were rooted in around 10 days and I was able to let them do another week of vegging before locking them in on 12/12. They don't bush as much as seeded plants so I had to adjust a bit, but I ended up with a clone going in every 2 weeks and it all worked out fine. It did get a bit manic though:

 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Well Dusty showed a bit of amber overnight. She's starting to look a bit beat up but she's on a diet just now ready for me to take a sample in about a week. Those buds are plumping up nicely though and there's still more coming.
Where I am it's still too early to put this girl outside when she's done, so it looks like I'll have to wait for Trinity to start revegging and cuttings. That means I'll be growing her mutant offspring all summer!
Got some pics so here's Dusty on a bad hair day:





 
gumball

gumball

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hey v12, have you ever had to bond yoru polycarbonate to anything? I am trying to bond mine together and was curious if you had to deal with this. I have acrylic though, not sure if there is a difference.
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Hey thanks guys.
She's just 6 days away now and those amber trichs are spreading from the leaves onto the calyxes. I still have some naughty NL in my jar so I'd love to let 1 cola go another week but there just isn't enough room for that 2 litre pot, so she'll come down all in 1 go.

Greets gum. I've used fish tank glue in the past to bond acrylic and it works really well. Any fish tank you see is glued with this stuff so it's clear, waterproof and can deal with high pressures, but I'm not sure about the temps it can cope with. It should be available at decent pet shops or aquariums but just check it's ok for the kind of temps you are running. If it's rated to 40-50C you should be fine.
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Greets gum.
I'm using the 3000k bulb. There's plenty of blue spectrum light in it to keep the plants green until the end. I think the 4200k bulbs are tuned more for human vision.

Got a new idea for an experiment yesterday.
I'm currently reclaiming some scrub land and trying to grow some veggies, but it's a major battle against the weeds which are starting to surface now. While I'm clearing the land I have to remove every bit of root I find in the soil or it will just grow a shoot and come back to haunt me in a couple of weeks. This is what gave me the idea.
I'm going to try to take ROOT cuttings from Dusty when she expires. In theory she is a weed just the same as the damned bindweed I'm fighting so I can't see why it wouldn't work and if successful it might be a little faster and more reliable than stem cuttings as there will already be a root system. It should eliminate any possibility of bringing bugs into the grow and I'm also thinking I might be able to do this under my 12/12 light regime. As cuttings usually need 18+ hours of light they aren't really suitable for my single room setup otherwise.
If anyone else is interested, here's 2 links I found last night that give me (a faint) hope I'm neither barking mad nor wasting my time:
http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_hops.htm
This is somewhat long-winded but shows that hops is part of the Cannabis family and that commercial cuttings are taken from the root rather than the stem.
http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/projects/root-cuttings/
A basic guide to root cuttings.

Wish me luck.

Quick update on the garden. Dusty is still there but she's due for the chop on Wednesday night. Trinity is developing some serious frost and Monica has formed a nice baby bud now, although it looks like I was a bit late with the lst so she's growing with a single cola. Should be a hell of a cola though!
Here's some pics from last night:





 
maturesmoker

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Hi mate :-)

I'm staggered by those pictures! Those buds are literally ballshaped :-)

I'll have a read of the rootcuttings link later when I have more time but I know what you mean. Btw, I also grow all our veggies in summer :-) nothing like it.

Slightly off topic V12, I;ve just been doing a bit of housework while listening to/watching some Space Ritual vids on YouTube I came across this one by Inner City Unit with Rob Calvert, a great version of Orgone Accumulator you will love it mate! There's a shot at the end of Nik etc standing by Calverts headstone, really moved me, you know? For those of us old Hawkwind fans its like a piece of history :-) Heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdW8nqI_MVk
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Hey ms. Thanks so much for the link. I love that track. I never thought about scouring utube for Inner City Unit.

The pic of the tombstone is very moving. The guy in the middle is Nik's roadie and a true gentleman. He also set up the stage at Stonehenge all those years ago. I got chatting to him recently and bought him a beer by way of thanks for the pleasure he and the guys had brought me over the years. In return he gave me a copy of The Undisclosed Files for free and had it signed by the band!

I thought of you after I dreamt up the latest cuttings idea. Many years ago I remember being told that Hops was a relative of cannabis and that cuttings could be grafted to roots of cannabis plants. If my geography serves, you are in a part of the country with all the hops farms. Just read through that 1st link to see how much weed and hops have in common.

I'm like you with those pics. It's crazy what goes on in that little box. Just glad it's mine :)
 
gumball

gumball

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Them girls are lookn good. I have read quite a bit on root cloning, seems like a good option.

I am tore between the 3000k and 4000k. I am thinking of running a 100watt cmh, a 2700k 42watt, and a 6500k 40 watt(the 40 is 3000 lumens!). I want the 4k because of the uv spectrum, but I don't know.

Keep them girls bloomn v12, and enjoy your new garden
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Thanks gum.
I don't think UV would be a problem for you. I would expect both the CMH bulbs to output the same amount and all CFL's emit measurable levels of UV, even the 2700k bulbs. My understanding is that HPS is the only lamp that doesn't emit UV. I'll try and post up a few links later that may help.
 
NLNo5

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v12xjs said:
A thought occurred to me with regard to needhelp's question on my choice of methods and the reasons behind those choices. Maybe it will help you guys to understand my system a little better and assist in forming your own setups.

The biggest breakthrough I ever made in terms of pc case growing was nothing to do with cultivation techniques. I realised that I could get by with modest amounts of weed. In fact when I thought about it, a gram a day was actually more than enough. Once I knew I only needed 350g/year, growing in a pc case was actually a viable option.
Once you understand this principle, maximising yield becomes a secondary consideration. My job is to churn out average yields day in and day out.
The reality of this can be seen in the difference between a hobby gardener and a commercial market garden. Where the hobbyist grows the largest pumpkin or cabbage, the market gardener is concerned with getting lots of high quality smaller fruits for the least amount of effort.
I can pump nutes into a plant to get an extra gram or 2 but I risk nuteburn and losing half the crop or more in order to gain a minimal amount and this risk is too great. The same goes for topping or FIMming. If the timing is right then I can gain a small amount but if it's wrong then none of the tops will develop fully and I lose more than I ever stood to gain.
If you need more than a PC can give then you need to look elsewhere for a grow cab. Most of the problems I see on here are from people who use too much light or too many nutes. Just put more plants in a bigger cab! Everyone seems to want to better the 1g/watt thing but I only aim for a quarter of that which is far more achievable and much less risky.
As a result, I'm much more concerned with correct temps, getting the ph right and ensuring that the plant has an environment where it can thrive on it's own.
Any form of stress is counterproductive to that aim.
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I'm on the tail end of a NL high, this entry was refreshing to read, spoken like a true PC Stealth Perpetual guru.
 
gumball

gumball

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v12xjs said:
Greets gum.
I'm using the 3000k bulb. There's plenty of blue spectrum light in it to keep the plants green until the end. I think the 4200k bulbs are tuned more for human vision.

Got a new idea for an experiment yesterday.
I'm currently reclaiming some scrub land and trying to grow some veggies, but it's a major battle against the weeds which are starting to surface now. While I'm clearing the land I have to remove every bit of root I find in the soil or it will just grow a shoot and come back to haunt me in a couple of weeks. This is what gave me the idea.
I'm going to try to take ROOT cuttings from Dusty when she expires. In theory she is a weed just the same as the damned bindweed I'm fighting so I can't see why it wouldn't work and if successful it might be a little faster and more reliable than stem cuttings as there will already be a root system. It should eliminate any possibility of bringing bugs into the grow and I'm also thinking I might be able to do this under my 12/12 light regime. As cuttings usually need 18+ hours of light they aren't really suitable for my single room setup otherwise.
If anyone else is interested, here's 2 links I found last night that give me (a faint) hope I'm neither barking mad nor wasting my time:
http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_hops.htm
This is somewhat long-winded but shows that hops is part of the Cannabis family and that commercial cuttings are taken from the root rather than the stem.
http://www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/projects/root-cuttings/
A basic guide to root cuttings.

Wish me luck.

Quick update on the garden. Dusty is still there but she's due for the chop on Wednesday night. Trinity is developing some serious frost and Monica has formed a nice baby bud now, although it looks like I was a bit late with the lst so she's growing with a single cola. Should be a hell of a cola though!
Here's some pics from last night:

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu351/v12xjs/RUI%20Journal%20Pics/Group-18Apr10.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu351/v12xjs/RUI%20Journal%20Pics/Trinity-18Apr10.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu351/v12xjs/RUI%20Journal%20Pics/Dusty-18Apr10.jpg
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hey v12, here is a link to a thread on RIU with some suggestions to try. not sure if you found it yet or not. hope this helps you out.

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/295710-root-clone-test-pictures.html
 
v12xjs

v12xjs

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Brilliant link gumball. Thank you.
I must have deleted all my old cfl links but I'm pretty sure there's plenty coming from your cfl's and some from the CMH. Don't forget how strong HPS grown weed can be without any UV exposure. I wouldn't get too hung up about it.
I notice you have a lot of blue light in that bulb selection, any particular reason?

Really glad you appreciated that NLNo5, that must have taken some finding.
I suppose it is a bit Zen. More by accident than design :)
I'm just floating on a cloud of NL myself, been looking forward to it all day.
Thanks for checking in.

Just chopped Dusty. Well a bit of her anyway. The case looked all empty and her replacement bean hasn't even hit the paper towel yet, so I just took the smaller of the twin colas and the popcorn. I'll get the rest in a day or 2.
She's very easy to trim, I've only taken the fan leaves as everything else is dripping with trichs. Here's the state of play:





 
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