PC Case grow - Stealth + Perpetual + LST

tamjam69 · Jul 31, 2010

hey v12, hope you dont mind me ransacking your thread, i couldnt think of a way so you could see some of them and as you are starting a new thread now it wouldnt hurt. just thought i would post up some pics of my old spiders and centipede

at one point i had over 70 arachnids :shock:

then just lost interest and sold them all :-?

all i have at the minute is a baby gramastola pulchra ( brazilian black ) that has a 4cm leg span. the pics are small as i lost all the original when my pc went bang!! we are gonna start collecting them again as now im a total stoner again it would be awesome holding them.

i used to hold the centipede but that one died then i bought a subspinipe specie that was 11.5" long!! and would cause a very very very painful bite that would need a trip to the hospital for some morphine :shock:

also the black and white stripie tarantula was also had a very nasty bite that unfortunatly i never experienced lol i have been bitten a few time from other species and some times was very uncomftable

anyway heres quite a few pics for you to see

let me know if you want me to delete them

v12xjs · Jul 31, 2010

Thay are awesome pics tamjam, really appreciate you posting them.
You had 70! Bet there were no flies on you

That has to be the most incredible shade of blue ever. I'd choose that 1 for my avatar too.

tamjam69 · Aug 1, 2010

v12xjs said:
Thay are awesome pics tamjam, really appreciate you posting them.
You had 70! Bet there were no flies on you
That has to be the most incredible shade of blue ever. I'd choose that 1 for my avatar too.

cheers v12 glad you liked them

ha ha nope no flys lol.

the blue one was called charlotte, a haploplelma lividum ( cobalt blue ) get some yourself mate they are so easy to look after

this is where i bought most of them

http://www.thespidershop.co.uk/insect/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=3424136c171a8bdfee07b829169b116e

you also see alot of private sellers on preloved

http://www.preloved.co.uk/fuseactio...d+Family/cat-Pets+and+Livestock/fb06fbe8.html

v12xjs · Aug 2, 2010

Thanks tamjam. I'll have a look.
I'm still in shared accomodation and can't keep animals just now but that won't be for much longer hopefully.

I was recently offered a free holiday to New Mexico that I sadly had to turn down due to other commitments. It sounds like an ideal place for you as it's home to a huge population of Black Widows and numerous other big spiders. I was gutted to have to say no

kushbluntz420 · Aug 4, 2010

Hey v12xjs ive been reading alot about your pc grow and have taken alot of pride in your work im starting a pc grow myself but i havent gotten seeds yet im not really sure what to buy i want something with a decent yield and that i could clone got any suggestions?

v12xjs · Aug 5, 2010

Hey kushbluntz.
I'm fast becoming a fan of northern lights for my grows. They are odour free so no need to bother with carbon scrubbers and the growth pattern is ideal for a case grow. I'm using sagamartha seeds atm and I've taken 2 cuttings from the lower branching that are doing very well. Being NL the potency will be a given. Just make sure that any beans you buy are feminised, there's nothing worse than nurturing a plant that turns out male.
Good luck with the grow. There's some great pc setups around just now to pick up pointers. Check out crazytrain, CHIEF PUFF PUFF and gumball's grows for great tips on hydro, LST and case construction.

Here's some pics from my phone taken last night. The main plant is a sagamartha NL#9 at about 32 days and the 2 cuttings on the windowsill were taken on Sunday, just after she showed sex.

gumball · Aug 5, 2010

Nice to see some action in that case v12! Everything is looking. GOOD! I want some NL, some many nice things have been said about it, and I haven't heard a single bad thing

88malice · Aug 5, 2010

Hey V, just got in to check ya out. Did ya veg or start off 12/12? Just curious. What else have ya grown since i'v been gone? Any suggestions? How about any auto's?

kushbluntz420 · Aug 5, 2010

What kind of nutes do you use?

Phase420 · Aug 6, 2010

glad to see your back with girls in the box! I've got about 3 or 4 little sprouts in mine right now.

maturesmoker · Aug 6, 2010

yep, great to see the case gradually filling up again :-)

Good luck with those 2 cuts V12, just keep em warm as you can and they will root for sure.

v12xjs · Aug 6, 2010

Cheers gum. It's good to have a grow running again. Afraid I'll be taking it to thctalk when I get my camera back this weekend though as there's still no sign of the mods creating anywhere specific for microgrowers on here and I'm a bit sick of waiting. Seems dumb really as we all need a new seed for every plant and the main site sponsor is a seed company trying to increase business, but who am I to question the wisdom of the mod team?
Seems easier just to move somewhere that embraces 12/12 and microgrows.

hey malice, good to see you back.
Since the beginning of the year I've been experimenting with Afghani genetics. They have been a bit of a mixed bag but some of the NL's I grew out were very impressive so I'm going to concentrate on those for now. If I was looking for an auto I'd prolly be checking out Joint Doctor's Diesel Ryder but it would have to be pretty special to displace the NL & Purple Haze I have on the go.
It's still basically 12/12 from seed but I'm going to start working with cuttings in the next few weeks.

Greets kushbluntz. I'm trying out some different nutes atm but the GH Flora Nova stuff has served me well in the past, as has the Canna Terra line.

Thanks Phase, not seen a grow from you for a bit. Hope you have something in the offing we can all drool over

Cheers for the advice ms, feels good to be back in the saddle. The 2 new cuttings seem to be doing ok. I was a little worried about them as they are very small and the plant had already shown sex.
I was thinking about cuttings and wondered if you'd read anything on auxins. They are responsible for the upward growth of plants and the main concentration is in the very top shoot. I'm wondering if cuttings lose their vigour after time due to us taking cuttings from low down with reduced levels of auxins and then taking further low cuttings from those. It's just a thought.

CHIEF PUFF PUFF · Aug 6, 2010

great to see you back on the block your baby looks so healthy, i'm sure the clones will grow as good as their mother.

v12xjs · Aug 8, 2010

Thanks CHIEF.
There's nothing better than knowing I'm going to be dealer free for another couple of years at least

Just 61 days now and counting...

Glad you got the privacy thing sorted out.
Sassy es lindo

kilpox · Aug 9, 2010

Hi,V12.
Tell me,when you start to count flowering period? When plant show sex? Or when plant sprout from soil?

maturesmoker · Aug 9, 2010

v12xjs said:
feels good to be back in the saddle. The 2 new cuttings seem to be doing ok. I was a little worried about them as they are very small and the plant had already shown sex.
I was thinking about cuttings and wondered if you'd read anything on auxins. They are responsible for the upward growth of plants and the main concentration is in the very top shoot. I'm wondering if cuttings lose their vigour after time due to us taking cuttings from low down with reduced levels of auxins and then taking further low cuttings from those. It's just a thought.

Hi V12,
You could well be right about that, I have always felt that its better to keep dedicated mothers and take cuts from the vigorous tops, but since losing mine I have been taking them the lowest shoots as they are the slowest to show those pre-flowers and often just 2 to 3" tall. But what I have learned from this is that rooting tends to be slower from these small cuttings, however I'd say in 95% of cases they will still root. While some can seem to root cuttings in 10 to 12 days (and this was the case of those initial Snow White cuts that tamjam sent me being big strong cuts with quite thick stems) on average for me with small bottom cuttings its around 3 weeks! I bet this is more common than a lot will admit, main thing is to keep them green and healthy by keeping humidity high. I generally find it best to forget about them for the first week, I don't even uncover them to look, then second week I open them up for a few minutes each day and introduce the spray gun, around every 2nd/3rd day. generally by end of week 2 a very gentle tug will tell you if you have tiny roots or not as they will grip the soil slightly. But I'd still give them 3 weeks before removing the dome/bag and by then the roots should begin to go. of course with dedicated clone/bubbler systems its easier and faster but this basic method is still very reliable.

I find too many people get to about 12 -14 days and then give up! Its a real shame as just another week or so will see roots. Hows your doing mate?

I have a new SW seedling on the go, might have to start a new thread myself :-)

v12xjs · Aug 9, 2010

Hey kilpox, the usual pattern for the plants is 25 days to show sex from seed. I give them 2 weeks from then to switch from preflowering into full bloom and then I start the countdown in accordance with what the breeder suggests.

Greets ms, loving the Bez avatar. Good to hear you have the seedling op underway.
My routine for the cuttings is very similar to what you do, same timescales as well.
I'm going to assume those auxin levels have some influence so I'm thinking I'll top plants to produce the next generation and leave the lower section to grow 4 tops like Uncle Bens Topping technique before putting it in the case to flower.
I'm working on an 8 week period for each cutting to be big enough to provide a new cutting and an established plant with 4 growing tips, so 3 different cuttings should amply cover my needs and provide a little insurance against any future problems.

It's all looking rosy for the cuttings so far but they still don't have a permanent home, I just can't decide what to put them in.

gumball · Aug 9, 2010

sounds cool v12, glad to hear of some good progress your way!!

Ludicium · Aug 12, 2010

Hey v12. I haven't posted here yet but I have been going through your whole thread for the past few days. I think I've read 99% of it in a total of about 8 - 10 hours.

I must say I am extremely impressed and I will be attempting a very similar grow.

I bought a Full tower server case of off eBay for only $12!! Great deal. The case dimensions are about 21" (H), 12" (L), 6" (W). I've gutted it, and it now looks like this:

(Sorry for the bad quality, it was taken wit my webcam.)

Stealth is very important for my grow, so my plan is to put 2 120mm intake fans on the front bottom section of the case, and 2 120mm outtake fans on the backside upper portion of the case. This is about a total of 160 CFM.

For lighting I am planning on using CFL's at least for my first grow. I was thinking 4 CFL's on top and a couple on each side. The max ambient temp in my room would be about 80F.. and thats only during the day, at night the ambient temp will be about 70F, and with the fans I believe it wont go over 75 at the most.

I'll be using the guide you posted earlier on the fans, and Ill be adding fan controllers that you did.

Thanks for the idea.

The strains Ill be growing are NL Feminized Auto flowering. After I read your thread I wish I would have gone with the non auto flowering variety, but since I have already purchased the seeds, Ill just use what I have for my first grow. For the auto flowering do you think I should do a 12/12? Or a 18/6. And since it's auto flowering I know the light spectrum they say doesn't matter, but do you think I should still use a mixture of the 6500k and 2700k throughout the grow?

Oh, by the way Ill be adding a small 80mm fan with about a 40-50 cfm rating to blow across the top CFL's for cooling as well, so Im pretty sure the temps will be fine.

Anyways, so sorry for the long ass post, if you have any suggestions for me and my case construction please tell me. I'll be more than happy to apply them to my case, seeing as how your grow is going great.

oh and nice job with dusty, your achievements are my goals.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, I plan on using a PSU to power my fans and fan controller, so it will look a lot more like a working computer. What are your thoughts on this? I'll also be trying to make this a perpetual grow as well.

Cheers.

v12xjs · Aug 12, 2010

Hey Lucidium, thanks for reading. Appreciate the nice comments.
Your case looks great and the price was right for sure

The 12x6 dimensions makes it a little smaller than mine so maybe think about doing 2 or 3 plants rather than 4. I suspect you'll lose too much space with sidelighting as well unless you go with T4/T5 flouro tubes, so measure everything up before you make your final plans.
At 12 inches across you should get a good breeze blowing over the plants so you can prolly dump the internal circulation fan. I find they really mess with the front to back airflow anyway so I don't use them anymore. Also remember that 4 x 120mm fans equates to 64 sq inches of openings that will need lightproofing. If you can find 80mm or 92mm fans with a similar output it will make lightproofing everything a little easier.

You will be absolutely fine running auto's at 12/12 and I've long wondered why nobody thought to produce an auto NL, glad Nirvana rectified it at last. I'll be very interested to see how they turn out.
As they go directly into flower I'd be using mostly red spectrum from day 1, but a dash of blue in there would be a major benefit. I spent a long time trying to cure leaf yellowing in my plants until I rumbled that they were simply lacking a bit of blue light.

If you go for an internal psu then try to get something at 300w or less as they really do kick out some heat, that's why they often have 2 dedicated fans for cooling. Personally I think it would limit you to 2 bulbs along the top as well and I'd prolly opt to fit a bulb in there instead.

It sounds like you've done all the background work so you'll do well. Link me when you get a grow going.
Best of luck.

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