peat vs ocean forest or other organic dirt

connoisseurde420

connoisseurde420

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anyone make the change or have comments on this i have a experiement going on but wondering what yall have come across pros and cons for each?? cec is higher for peat so im gonna see if it makes a difference in yeild and or quality of smoke
 
connoisseurde420

connoisseurde420

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light warrior is peat based not ffof. yes im asking for differences between soil and peat that anyone may have observed...
 
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Wetdog

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connoisseurde420 said:
light warrior is peat based not ffof. yes im asking for differences between soil and peat that anyone may have observed...
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You may want to recheck the ingredients in FFOF. They are ALL peat based.

Unless it's marked *Top Soil*, just about any bagged mix you buy is going to be a peat based 'soilless' mix.

Just saying. I've been doing my own soilless mixes for close to 40 years. Never have bought a bagged mix, since I can make it myself, better and cheaper. Real dirt stays in my garden, containers are all soilless.

Wet
 
FR33MASON

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Peat is 100% sphagnum moss that is a preserved product as opposed to a composted product with little to no nutrient value. Peat moss is used as a soil builder or a base for growing mediums and mixes such as premier promix, sunshine mix, FFOF, and many, many other brand names...soiless or otherwise.
 
connoisseurde420

connoisseurde420

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^^^ yes i realise these things but both have yet to anwser the question this post was intended for.

wet -okay i see your point yes i know there is peat in ffof but it isnt a fortified all peat mix like they are starting to make now but its made to be free standing dirt as opposed to soil builder like the above poster said.

Now that we have this clearified do we have anyone with differences between the two? wet you have 40+ years of expereince cool.. what differences have you noticed between your mix and other people using soil thats whats going to add to my knowledge base about differnces in mediums
 
FR33MASON

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Sorry but the way your question is presented you appear to be asking for a comparison between apples and oranges...figuratively speaking of course.

I have tried many peat based mediums and I have noticed one thng that makes the difference in performance and that is the consistency of your growing medium with the ratio of base mix to the added compost, bloodmeal, bonemeal, dolomite lime, oystershell, greensand, etc.

I have done a side by side comparison with promix where I added only 25% more compost above what I normally mix on one occasion and on another, I added 25% less. The original mix that I used outperformed the higher and lower amended mix. I also did this comparison with my vegetables and flowers in my home and garden and not just MJ and the results were consistent all across the board. The only difference in the soil was one was bit more dense and the other was a bit less dense and yet a visible difference in growth rate and vigor could be seen.

My experience is only anecdotal but was a result of close observation none the less.
 
connoisseurde420

connoisseurde420

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okay cool thats all im looking for...i was considering peat amended with vermiblend cause i have seen difference when added to ffof and want to see what happen when i amend peat with it...
 
FR33MASON

FR33MASON

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connoisseurde420 said:
okay cool thats all im looking for...i was considering peat amended with vermiblend cause i have seen difference when added to ffof and want to see what happen when i amend peat with it...
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Experimenting is how I come up with my own 'wonder mix'.

Growing mediums, especially with organic mixes are much like baking recipes...one recipie does not work for everybody everywhere and that is where experimenting and experience help fill in the gaps for you to tweak that recipe into something that does.
 
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Wetdog

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FR33MASON said:
Sorry but the way your question is presented you appear to be asking for a comparison between apples and oranges...figuratively speaking of course.

I have tried many peat based mediums and I have noticed one thng that makes the difference in performance and that is the consistency of your growing medium with the ratio of base mix to the added compost, bloodmeal, bonemeal, dolomite lime, oystershell, greensand, etc.

I have done a side by side comparison with promix where I added only 25% more compost above what I normally mix on one occasion and on another, I added 25% less. The original mix that I used outperformed the higher and lower amended mix. I also did this comparison with my vegetables and flowers in my home and garden and not just MJ and the results were consistent all across the board. The only difference in the soil was one was bit more dense and the other was a bit less dense and yet a visible difference in growth rate and vigor could be seen.

My experience is only anecdotal but was a result of close observation none the less.
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+ rep!!!! You nailed it! Observation is the key for the successful gardener!


FR33MASON said:
Experimenting is how I come up with my own 'wonder mix'.

Growing mediums, especially with organic mixes are much like baking recipes...one recipie does not work for everybody everywhere and that is where experimenting and experience help fill in the gaps for you to tweak that recipe into something that does.
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I liken it more to making chili since baking is a bit more exact. I'm a terrible baker BTW., my chili isn't bad though.;-);-)

You make a batch, you watch what happens. If you are growing the same plants, mj or veggie you can see pretty much what's what right quick.

If you can garden well, growing MJ is nothing. Inside, is a whole new learning curve, I will freely admit to that.

But MJ is nothing special AFA growing though, just another flowering annual.

Wet
 
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