Perpetual Harvest ~ First Time Grower

CCCmints

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i'm CCCmints and soon i'll be attempting to grow for the first time. i figure with my first thread i might as well write out what i plan to do in order to stay organized and actually execute this successfully. i also understand the concept of a community and will do my best to contribute whenever and however i can. i realize it may seem like i'm getting in over my head for a newbie but i've wanted to grow for a while so here we go.

i've almost got my closet completely fabricated to be my flowering room, and coming first harvest is a guerrilla grow tent for the separate veg chamber. for my first run i'll be using just my closet for both veg and flower.

within the next week or so my buddy should be giving me some seeds he just ordered from the attitude seed bank. he was planning to grow outdoor but his crop started accumulating foot prints before he could even get going:/ so i'm happy to help em' out haha
:blsmoke:

i should have: (within 2 weeks)
seeds
10x reg himalaya diesels
2x fem super-cali haze (super autos)
1x fem ch9 blue lemon thai
1x fem of another strain i don't remember. will edit when i receive them.

space
flowering room: 9'x2' double french doored closet {complete stealth}
veg chamber: 4'x2' guerilla tent (coming next harvest)

equipment
2x 400w lumatek ballasts
2x hortilux 400w super hps enhanced spectrum bulbs
2x 6" xtrasun reflectors
1x 6" 440cfm ventech fan/filter combo (vent. system diagram to come)
1x 4'x2' 8-bulb t5 light (bloom+grow bulb packs for mixed spectrum)
1x 2.8 cu ft. sunshine mix#4 (might mix a batch of super soil for next run)
1x 1 gal. flora micro
2x 1 gal. flora bloom (lucas formula)
2x 16" oscillating fans
1x roll of black/white poly (orca film next run)
1x 50ct. of rapid root starter plugs
2x 6" 240cfm booster fans
2x electrical outlets (mounted to wall inside closet, wires run out of closet under carpet --> under bed --> plug into circuit A) for 1st coord and circuit B) for 2nd coord. yes, my room is split into separate circuits for some reason; lucky me.)
{for stealth purposes - room will look/smell/sound like a normal room could bring anyone i want in there and they'd never be the wiser}

today i wrote out on my notepad a perpetual harvest for 52 weeks. i will try to type it out here in the most legible format i can.

1 year perpetual harvest - 3 stages - 4 weeks/stage - 12 week startup then harvest 1/3 your 12 week cycle every 4 weeks forever
*assuming at week 0 i am starting with 4 mother plants which can shed 4-5 cuttings a piece(in separate veg chamber) , 0 clones, and an empty flowering room.
*mother plants can be replaced with strong clones when necessary (too big||too unhealthy etc.)
*plants split evenly between 2 separate 3x2 spaces under 2 separate 400w hps lights

*if able to fit 30 plants per 3x2 space comfortably: 5 cuttings taken from each mother every 2 weeks[20]. otherwise, 4 cuttings[16]
*2 weeks given for cuttings to establish strong root systems before transfer to 1 gal. smart pots under 12/12 lighting
*for this example we are going to assume i can comfortably fit 30 1 gal. smart pots in a 3x2 space, why not?

***(the 10 plants/light for example would be 10 plants per 400w in the flowering room - best clones from veg chamber every 2 weeks)
a) * 10 plants/light - 4th week - a) day0
b) * 20 plants/light - 8th week - a) day28 b) day0
c) * 30 plants/light - 12th week - a) day56 b) day28 c) day0
d) * 20 plants/light - 16th week - a) Harvest! b) day56 c) day28 d) day0
{First Harvest! - 1/3 of 12 week cycle}
-upon harvesting a) replace each ready to harvest plant with the strongest clone in veg chamber
-should definitely have 30 plants/light before e) occurs
e) * 30 plants/light - 20th week - b) Harvest! c) day56 d) day28 e) day0
-upon harvesting b) replace each ready to harvest plant with the strongest clone in veg chamber
-should definitely have 30 plants/light before f) occurs
f) * 30 plants/light - 24th week - c) Harvest! d) day56 e) day28 f) day0
{end cycle 1!! ~ harvest every 4 weeks forever starting now}
-upon harvesting c) replace each ready to harvest plant with the strongest clone in veg chamber
-should definitely have 30 plants/light before g) occurs
g) * 30 plants/light - 28th week - d) Harvest! e) day56 f) day28 g) day0
h) * 30 plants/light - 32nd week - e) Harvest! f) day56 g) day28 h) day0
i) * 30 plants/light - 36th week - f) Harvest! g) day56 h) day28 i) day0
j) * 30 plants/light - 40th week - g) Harvest! h) day56 i) day28 j) day0
k) * 30 plants/light - 44th week - h) Harvest! i) day56 j) day28 k) day0
l) * 30 plants/light - 48th week - i) Harvest! j) day56 k) day28 l) day0
m) * 30 plants/light - 52nd week - j) Harvest! k) day56 l) day28 m) day0​

Theoretical Yield Estimate?
@ 1oz per plant, with the 5[20] cuttings: 600oz/year || with 4[16] cuttings: 480oz/year
*note
this is only my first draft of this perpetual cycle and i am simply doing my best to port it from a notepad to this thread. if you notice any flaws or even have a critique/suggestion to add please don't hesitate to post.

don't worry, pictures will be coming with time along with other threads such as a proper grow journal.

happy to finally join the riu community:leaf:
 

CCCmints

Well-Known Member
i've received the seeds:
10x reg himalaya diesels
2x fem super-cali haze (super autos)
1x fem ch9 blue lemon thai
1x fem ch9 cluster

also, within the next week or so i should have my closet fabrication complete.

i've decided for my first grow the closet will contain 1x 400w (see paint vent. diagram lol) and my t5 light all the way till harvest.

i'm going to be growing these seeds out SOG style in order to better prepare myself for my future grows (perpetual SOG with separate veg chamber).

Components:
440CFM Ventech Fan + Carbon Filter Combo
Air Cooled Reflector
240CFM Booster Fan

ventdiagram.jpg

if any of y'all like to make diagrams then you're more than welcome to send some my way. i clearly need some help in this department lmao.
 

Chillintxstlye

Active Member
Bro everything always looks good on paper there is nothing in ur notes for growing pains and all the little hiccups that always accompanying everyone's first grows. Just my opinion but good luck and happy growing
 

CCCmints

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Bro everything always looks good on paper there is nothing in ur notes for growing pains and all the little hiccups that always accompanying everyone's first grows. Just my opinion but good luck and happy growing
yeah you're right man. at least i'm gonna keep it asap (as simple as possible, lol.) and run what i've got sog style w/ just 1 400w. sounds like a lot better plan than dumpin more money into this for a veg chamber n' complicating my first run even more than i already have.

just do it!
i wanna get started so bad man but life makes you wait on what you want sometimes..lol

maybe i'll have us a few pictures of the closet (finished) today if i can get the house to myself for a bit
bongsmilie
 
My advice base on personal experience: im in Uk cloning in winter is much much more difficult then in summer it take me sometime 2 weeks longer to root cuttings, I did grow with 36 1gal pot in 3x3, watering them is bastard.. Last few weeks flowering you need to water every day or 2. Now I grow 36 cuttings in 9 3gal pots, 4 cuttings per pot and it's perfect for me :-D
 

Guido Sarduchi

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Bro everything always looks good on paper there is nothing in ur notes for growing pains and all the little hiccups that always accompanying everyone's first grows. Just my opinion but good luck and happy growing
This makes me laugh !! Had you got on here and said you were just starting a room and looking for ideas someone would have told you to plan it out and put it on paper first then put it on here and people could let you know. It was extremely wise of you to plan things out.. If you havent picked up any grow books yet check out Cervantes and Rosenthal (authors)... while there is no replacement for experience your planning on design will prove extremely helpful in the future. good job
 

FlightSchool

Active Member
I like that you've put a lot of time into this, here is my advice for you.

be sure your carbon filter is optimum, while exhausting into the attic makes things easier it also means the smell is free to travel throughout your entire home.

30 plants under a 400W is going to stretch the quality factor.

I have 5 under my 400W and feel under powered.

Do you already have the lights?


Understand that the High number of plants x constant harvest sounds all good and well until you really get into it
The upkeep required isn't worth what you get out of it. You're better off to do a couple mothers, a constant rotation of 5-8 clones in veg and 3-5 in flower. I don't know what your intentions are for your product, but Harvesting 5-10 ounces every 2 months is more than enough for a personal stash
 

Miss.Rabbit

Active Member
It looks like you've really taken the time to plan this grow out! It looks good with the exception of 30plants, as a noob that's alot to take care of! Not that i'm discouraging you it's just that these women are very demanding and require alot of your time I have 12 girls in flower under 2 600w HPS and I spend at least 3 hours a day tending to them and that time spent doesn't include veg...
Also it's a small space and a small amount of light for 30, keep in mind they are going to grow up and start to compete for light and before you know it you have some stretchy light-stressed girls on your hands, leaving you with a harvest of maybe a few good terminal buds and a bunch of larf.
Take it easy and keep it simple your first time around, there is alot to learn and usually you learn the best lessons through experience! Good luck on your first grow man i'm sure if you put the effort into your plants that you put into their planning they'll be some happy ladies!
 

Miss.Rabbit

Active Member
Also with that many plants that close together I would recommend a preventative azamax drench and foliar every 7-10days! It doesn't need to be azamax but that's just what I like :)
Better safe than sorry when it comes to pests!
 

waterdawg

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Wow thats some plan! Hope it all works out for ya. Keep us posted!! I grew 27 plants in the shed 2 years ago and spent 8 weeks crawling around on the floor trying to get to them all lol. Now I just grow 6 big ones!!! Well sometimes!!! Some are runty, some are big!!!lol.
 

CCCmints

Well-Known Member
I like that you've put a lot of time into this, here is my advice for you.

be sure your carbon filter is optimum, while exhausting into the attic makes things easier it also means the smell is free to travel throughout your entire home.

30 plants under a 400W is going to stretch the quality factor.

I have 5 under my 400W and feel under powered.

Do you already have the lights?


Understand that the High number of plants x constant harvest sounds all good and well until you really get into it
The upkeep required isn't worth what you get out of it. You're better off to do a couple mothers, a constant rotation of 5-8 clones in veg and 3-5 in flower. I don't know what your intentions are for your product, but Harvesting 5-10 ounces every 2 months is more than enough for a personal stash
i'm hoping since i bought the fan and filter as a combo the filter will be optimal. i'll be sure to walk outside for a half hour or so then walk back into my house (during flowering) to check for smell. i know we get used to the smell of our own homes, even if they smell like the dankidy dank.

what do y'all think is an optimal amount of plants per 400w when growing SOG style??

yeah, i've already got the bulbs, reflectors, ballasts, etc. no turning back now. i pondered 2x 600watters for my closet before but came to the realization that my space is small and ideal for 2x 400w. maybe if i was running co2 and an a/c unit i could consider 1200 watts in here, but those thoughts are for later.

due to personal circumstances i am home all day long every day for a while. part of my reasoning for growing is to use it as a theraputic experience (can't get angry at a lady mj plant now can i? haha). so, i have plenty of time to tend to my girls, along with the interest to match.

my intentions are to yield as much top quality product as i can. i'm not afraid to store high quantities of weed in the same home i'm growing it, lol...so why not grow as much as i can? i smoke a lot of weed, as do the people i congregate with.

even if i grow more than i can smoke its all good; i'll just end up dippin into a jar o'dank that's been curing for 3 months haha.
It looks like you've really taken the time to plan this grow out! It looks good with the exception of 30plants, as a noob that's alot to take care of! Not that i'm discouraging you it's just that these women are very demanding and require alot of your time I have 12 girls in flower under 2 600w HPS and I spend at least 3 hours a day tending to them and that time spent doesn't include veg...
Also it's a small space and a small amount of light for 30, keep in mind they are going to grow up and start to compete for light and before you know it you have some stretchy light-stressed girls on your hands, leaving you with a harvest of maybe a few good terminal buds and a bunch of larf.
Take it easy and keep it simple your first time around, there is alot to learn and usually you learn the best lessons through experience! Good luck on your first grow man i'm sure if you put the effort into your plants that you put into their planning they'll be some happy ladies!
thank you! i appreciate your post and do not consider it discouragement whatsoever. once again, thank you :mrgreen:

it's ok if my ladies are demanding i will adaptbongsmilie ironically, i'm happy to know marry will be demanding lots of my time; i got plenty haha.

you make good points regarding the ladies fighting for light. i do want to yield as much as possible, but also want top-quality product of-course. time will tell how good i am at finding that happy medium between yield and quality.

my effort in planning will match my efforts in production, i can assure you of that.
 

CCCmints

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30 Plants? WHY?
*if able to fit 30 plants per 3x2 space comfortably: 5 cuttings taken from each mother every 2 weeks[20]. otherwise, 4 cuttings[16]
part of my reasoning for running 14 under one light sog style this first run is to see for myself through experience just how many plants i'm going to want under each light. the number of plants/light is just a simple variable that i can change whilst my perpetual formula remains the same.
*for this example we are going to assume i can comfortably fit 30 1 gal. smart pots in a 3x2 space, why not?
i figured it'd be easier to understand my perpetual theory if i used a nice solid even number divisible by 10 (30, in this case). don't worry y'all i'm not expecting to yield anywhere near the annual theoretical estimate lol. lets not make the 30 plant thing this thread's focal point:/
 

mr2shim

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what do y'all think is an optimal amount of plants per 400w when growing SOG style??
I think it's insufficient for more than 4 plants regardless of how you're growing. sog, scrog, perpetual ect ect. 400w is not a lot of light.
 

mrblu

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why are you worried about getting 30-40 lbs in one year? if your going to cash crop i wouldnt suggest doing it in stealth growing cabinents.
 
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