Pest control that doesn’t damage the Environment?

Kami Samurai

Kami Samurai

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What ways are there to control (preventative) measure for bugs. My System is to labor intensive for quick solution people is the problem. I see a lot of people on the grow group of my local area using spinosad. I’m just not down with anything that’s gonna kill the bees. So I need a quick alternative for them. They can’t use Neem because it’s too hot out here and most of them don’t have screens like me. Any ferments or brews? Is a nettle and comfrey toxic to things like birds, snakes, bees, etc. basically don’t want it to do anything to anything except the stuff that sucks thrips, mites, aphids, etc. even then just keep em away if possible. Any guidance would help. And I’ll quickly post it so it can maybe help even a little.
 
GenericEnigma

GenericEnigma

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Kami Samurai said:
What ways are there to control (preventative) measure for bugs. My System is to labor intensive for quick solution people is the problem. I see a lot of people on the grow group of my local area using spinosad. I’m just not down with anything that’s gonna kill the bees. So I need a quick alternative for them. They can’t use Neem because it’s too hot out here and most of them don’t have screens like me. Any ferments or brews? Is a nettle and comfrey toxic to things like birds, snakes, bees, etc. basically don’t want it to do anything to anything except the stuff that sucks thrips, mites, aphids, etc. even then just keep em away if possible. Any guidance would help. And I’ll quickly post it so it can maybe help even a little.
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I use an IPM which includes worm castings and constant vigilance.

If the cucumeris in my EWC don't control the mites, I use a citric acid dilute as a foliar. If the hypoapsis miles in my EWC don't control the gnats, I use Mosquito Bits. If aphids show up, I control them by hand - until the local predators catch wind of their location (wasps, beetles, ladybugs).

I have been known to hit the reset button in veg with pyrethrin (non-synthetic). This is a last resort. If it goes beyond this, I would cull and restart.

There are other options as well, but this IPM system works for me in my climate and environment.
 
bam0813

bam0813

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There are vast amounts of organic and low impact products . If something does nothing to anything it probably does nothing……..i know of no product that kills one thing and one thing only. Pollinator safe products are many. Simple search
 
thumper60

thumper60

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Kami Samurai said:
What ways are there to control (preventative) measure for bugs. My System is to labor intensive for quick solution people is the problem. I see a lot of people on the grow group of my local area using spinosad. I’m just not down with anything that’s gonna kill the bees. So I need a quick alternative for them. They can’t use Neem because it’s too hot out here and most of them don’t have screens like me. Any ferments or brews? Is a nettle and comfrey toxic to things like birds, snakes, bees, etc. basically don’t want it to do anything to anything except the stuff that sucks thrips, mites, aphids, etc. even then just keep em away if possible. Any guidance would help. And I’ll quickly post it so it can maybe help even a little.
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Spinosad is very safe around bees if used properly spray late evening? by morning all dryed up. I dont even see bees around my med plants theres no pollen so no bees. Look into pure crop 1 my brother has hives an talked to a rep 100% safe with bees around.
 
manfredo

manfredo

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Both certified organic, and work great....and they make another product for PM called Regalia

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mudballs

mudballs

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thumper60 said:
Spinosad is very safe around bees if used properly spray late evening? by morning all dryed up. I dont even see bees around my med plants theres no pollen so no bees. Look into pure crop 1 my brother has hives an talked to a rep 100% safe with bees around.
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Bees are a concern of mine too. I defo dont spray spinosad on my males...cuz they'll take that back to colony, kill whole colony...another concern is the bees getting pollinated up, and then venturing over to my females and collecting some of the spinosad residue onto their pollen bloated legs and bodies...gonna have to look into @manfredo , pure crop, and other alternatives. Anyone with males, dont spray them with spinosad plz.
 
thumper60

thumper60

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mudballs said:
Bees are a concern of mine too. I defo dont spray spinosad on my males...cuz they'll take that back to colony, kill whole colony...another concern is the bees getting pollinated up, and then venturing over to my females and collecting some of the spinosad residue onto their pollen bloated legs and bodies...gonna have to look into @manfredo , pure crop, and other alternatives. Anyone with males, dont spray them with spinosad plz.
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I never use spinosad on anything that drops pollen an attracts bees or on any plant in flower if one needs to use it in flower, they fucked up couple months ago.
 
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pahpah-cee

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What about for your veggie gardens outside guys? Neem seems pretty harmless. Spinosad works great but I’m worried about pollinators and I read that it acts like a systemic so I’m worried about it. BT is another one but I’m worried about it hurting pollinators.
Anyone actually know what’s going on with these? Should they be ditched in organic gardening?

im always battling leaf miners and moths in my area. I don’t fuck with bees and wasps so my backyard is chock full of them. I don’t want any sprays to be hurting them.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Sesame oil is a good replacement for neem and many people already have it for cooking purposes. The amount used is much less.
 
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