Photoperiod for Larger Yields

waterandmetal

Active Member
im with RKM and everyone else who has said cutting the light down to eight hours by the end. The thing to remember is that when growing indoors, you are nature, and that your plants follow the rules of nature as well. The trick is to make the grow enviroment as stressless as possible. When you've entered flowering the trick is to slowly tamper your light off. I personally light to start at 18 and 1/2 light to 5 1/2 dark for veg. Then when I enter micro I bring it down to 16/8. Then at the beggining of flowering I go 14/10 for the first week or two then 12/12 when they're well off, slowly tampering down to around 9/15 for the last week. Im with RKM on using the eight hour as a guide rather then a set goal.
Now i'll tell you this from experience (I've increased a crops light cycle as an experiment on this very subject) and when you increase the light cycle midbloom to anything above 12 the plant freaks. Internally at 12/12 the plant is in heavy flower hormone production, and if you increase the light then suddenly the plants flowering hormone production is corrupted, and this will actually throw off bud production horribly.
In my crop i had strong signs of preflowering at 16/8, then at 12/12 for two weeks heavy bud production. when the light was increased the bud production slowed heavily, and on two of the plants stop entirely. After a period of this for about a week and a half reversion to flowering came back slow, two of my plants became hermaphodites, and one changed gender fully to a male.
This gender change shows that any change in the photoperiod is far far far too stressful for the plants during flowering, and is just a stupid move.
The only reason you'd have a problem with the amount of light is if the light you were using for flowering was flourescent or lower, HID lights will never have this problem
And as for how the plant reacts when the light is further reduced, just like everyone else has said, lowering the light cycle towards eight sends a signal to the plant that frost is about to come and that its chance to reproduce is rapidly closing. This causes a rapid incrase in resin and THC production (both of which are used to attract pollen carrying insects and to trap the pollen) in a mad attempt to pollinate. This as it was well put "seals the deal"
 

GypsyBush

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Ok, I really don't mean to be a dick here.... and almost everyone here had a valid point... Kudos and + Rep to you...:clap:

But... I still wonder ....:o

If you start with a 24/0 for vegging and say... switch to 21:36/12, then would there really be a lot of stress, since that is the only thing theses plants know... or is it???? do plants know they are on Earth? and that our days are 24 hours long???? wow... smart plants....lol:weed:

Anyway... even if a slightly longer period is required before harvest, would there be any improvements... or even differences???

Has anyone experimented with this from the beginning...???:joint::bigjoint:

I hope Flip is still around.... did you ever look further into this...?

Well...???:o

Gypsy...:joint::peace:
 

flipsidesw

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Im still around...

I plan to try it on my next grow. I plan on doing a pretty informative grow journal on it. Im weeks away tho waiting on mothers for clones.. Just keep ur subscription and ill put up a link to my grow journal when i get it goin. Happy tokes FLip
 

dazed76

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fucking rooks lol veg 24 hr flower 48 hr dark then 21on 12 off for 1 week then 10 on 14 off 1 week then 12 12 lolwhen 48 hrs of darkness occurs the plant releases hormones and as long as you keep 12 hours of darkness for the first week on a 21 12 cycle ull fool them and they wil super stretch begin bud bloom after 48 hr period to promote more budding sites its trickyif u fuck up hermie time not for novice
 

born2killspam

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Alot of ppl who live far from the tropics have the misconception that the summer days are long.. In actuality, summer days @ 23.5° are only about 13.5 hours long IIRC, and at the equator daylight fractionally outlasts night time year round..
Those are the environmental conditions the original sativas evolved in growing over 20' tall.. Pay attention to pheno expression if you play with this.. Its widely believed that indica/ruderalis evolved from sativa due to environmental changes very similar to playing with a non 24hr day..
 

davemoney

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I read somewhere that if you stress WW for the last two weeks of flowering, (no lights at all), she strains her resins BIG TIME and the growth rate is really good. Have not tried it yet, but sounds intriguing. Must work on other strains as well IMO.
wurd bro, i do the same. it made the THC on the buds just glisten! :weed:
 

data

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even if it may work you cant with different stages of plants in the flowering room.
or using sog.
 

mrbeefs17

Active Member
fucking rooks lol veg 24 hr flower 48 hr dark then 21on 12 off for 1 week then 10 on 14 off 1 week then 12 12 lolwhen 48 hrs of darkness occurs the plant releases hormones and as long as you keep 12 hours of darkness for the first week on a 21 12 cycle ull fool them and they wil super stretch begin bud bloom after 48 hr period to promote more budding sites its trickyif u fuck up hermie time not for novice
Do you still flush out yer nutes 2 weeks prior to harvest.. so would you do it once you get into the 12/12 cycle or during the 10/14 and harvest when 12/12 week is over?
 

GypsyBush

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So no one here really has experimented with the 21:36/12....

I see a few opinions, some even related.... but nothing that follows the thread's original intention....

Bummer...

Flip... we will have to just do some experimentation on our own...

When my next batch goes into flowering I will do that consistently for the entire flowering period...

I kinda have a feeling that for this to work, without stressing the hell out of them, would be to switch from 24/0 to 21:36/12...

That way, the plants have only known this photo period... and shouldn't be confused... or stressed...

Do plants have an internal biological clock tied to the 24 hour days on Earth????

Anyone....???

Catch you later Filp....

Gypsy....:joint::bigjoint:
 

flipsidesw

New Member
Yea I hear ya...
I thiink that MJ needs "X" amount periords of darkness. Maybe to say it
needs 60 periods of 12 hour darkness to produce the buds to the point most desireable by Us. A point to conisder, if you let a plant flower beyond peak harvest time for US, it will eventually die right. Why does it die then? No frost is comin we're inside! Think about veg i mean given enough light and never flowered who knows how tall it would get. Why isn't flowering the same? I think it because it has predetermined periods of darkness. What i dont get it is why 21:36/12. Why 36 min? why not 33 or 38 1/2?

This grow faq is old as hell even older that riu and noone has tried this. I kinda find that odd.
 

GypsyBush

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From what I understood, it really doesn't matter ...

It is for our convenience that someone figured it out like that... but I have not tested the math yet...

The idea is that if you start this on a monday.... by next monday the time will be back to the original time you started last monday...

That way, you don't have to keep re-adjusting your multi-day digital timer...

Every week ends up with the same schedule...

So you program it once and forget...

Does that make sense...????

The dude on the FAQ did this because it seems he only did it for a few weeks.... so by the end of week 2, he could reset his 12/12 on the same times as before.... does THAT make any sense...???

I still gotta double check the math though, I played with it for a minute but I was not getting it right... so I'll go back to it later...

What's your thought???
 

flipsidesw

New Member
No fucking idea... I thought maybe a day wasnt scientifically 24 hours exactly. I havent been able to find anything to say otherwise tho and all the figures i could find lead crunch perfect so really i dont know. Im gonna check some other sites and see if anyone knows what really goin down.
 

born2killspam

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No, you missed his point on the scheduling..
1440min/day*7days=10080min
33:36=2016min
2016min*5=10080min
So it takes exactly the same amount of time to do 5 21:36/12 days as it does 7 12/12 days..
 

born2killspam

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I've played with more equatorial days like I mentioned, but have never actually tried the 5 day week.. A flowering cycle is going to cost you 1.8x the electricity, and take 1.4x as long, and I highly doubt you'll get 2.5x the yield, so for commercial/perpetual growers, better production would be surely be seen on 12/12.. For a single run small scale grow though it would be interesting to see how much more could be achieved in a crop.. Strain specific I assume..
Also, plants can become light saturated near the end of a day, especially if CO2 isn't adequate for the light level.. Too many electrons build up in triplet state, and start dumping their energy on any random molecule that will accept it.. The plant also starts photorepirating O2.. This ends up in the production of superoxides, peroxides, and aldehydes that can damage the chloroplast for future photosynthesis.. Plants have evolved defenses against this, but in a way you could look at this reduction of chloroplasts as a defense mechanism in itself.. It is a factor thats going to make the effect of increasing a photoperiod strain, and environment specific.. (I find myself saying that alot..)
The idea has been around a long time.. I remember reading of this on overgrow.. I'm pretty sure ppl there actually had results, but I don't remember much for details..
As for the shock&awe technique Dazed mentioned, I wouldn't try it unless you can afford to lose it.. And if it goes well, then I hope you cloned, and have a mother because its going to be another craps shoot with any other genetics I assume.. (His schedule was WHACKED!:).. More extreme light reduction does tend to start flowering alot faster though, anybody whos grown indoors and outdoors knows that..
 

Jenisonc

Active Member
I honestly think that bringing the light to 10/14 would be the best. Any longer and the plant wants to go back in to veg. which doesnt help you. If you drop that time the plant should, in theory, think its later in the season and work harder to produce. IMO only.
 
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