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buddha113 said:

would love to see a sour cream grow, heard nothing but good things about it

have you ever grown it before?

oh btw do you remember how much you were able to yield from the blue mystic?

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BM gave me 12oz of dense nugs.. Ive never grown SC but it seems to be my kind of bud.. great yeilds from what ive read..

Wemp said:

Thank you scotty! I couldn't a straight answer anywhere... must be new stuff.

Also what ballast do you recommend, I hear there are some issues with digital ones.

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DO NOT USE DIGITAL ! and yeah HPS and CMH are pretty even in my book so thats probly why you cant get a definate awnser.. either way is a win win.. however if your growing in a small space that could have heat issues then go with the CMH

Ganjasism said:

Hey Scotty, I've been reading through the journal to see if you flushed a week or two before your harvest??? I know you flushed to get the nute thing under control, but other than that, do you flush? There is another grow I've been watching and the dude is wondering, so I figured I'd ask you.

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Somtimes I flush somtimes i dont Ive never really seen much difrence between the flushed and not flushed but I usally flush for a week or two anyway however not flushing is not going to kill the end product what matters is how well you can dry and cure your bud thats where the smoothness comes from..

Yeah i'm growing in a 36"x20"x62" so its a little taller than yours but i'm definitely going with the CMH.

I was wondering if there is a certain bulb i should look for or should I just go with a philips one.

DO NOT USE DIGITAL !! What crack are you smoking ? ive been running lumatek digital ballasts for some time and have never had an issue, if there was such a problem with digital ballasts why would retailers be pushing the product ?? to dissapoint all there customers that pay there wage and make there business successful ? i dont think so, like any technology there may at one stage been a small bug however, digital outways magnetic buy a long shot, power usage, no waiting on startup, no noise and intense heat generated by the ballasts.

[420]Haze;5567834 said:

DO NOT USE DIGITAL !! What crack are you smoking ? ive been running lumatek digital ballasts for some time and have never had an issue, if there was such a problem with digital ballasts why would retailers be pushing the product ?? to dissapoint all there customers that pay there wage and make there business successful ? i dont think so, like any technology there may at one stage been a small bug however, digital outways magnetic buy a long shot, power usage, no waiting on startup, no noise and intense heat generated by the ballasts.

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haha should have read more, he was talking about using digital ballasts with the cmh bulb, not using digital ballasts in general

buddha113 said:

haha should have read more, he was talking about using digital ballasts with the cmh bulb, not using digital ballasts in general

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Fair enough, SCOTTYBALLS, apologies for not reading the entire thread, i assumed you were talking in general without going through the entire thread, my bad.

and buddha113, thanks for the heads up without rage, Peace.

[420]Haze;5569067 said:

Fair enough, SCOTTYBALLS, apologies for not reading the entire thread, i assumed you were talking in general without going through the entire thread, my bad.

and buddha113, thanks for the heads up without rage, Peace.

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You do realise that this is Scotty's thread right?

TD

Scotty or anyone else with experience how long should i veg a 6 inch clone to get the same results as a 4 week veg from seed?

Scotty, I posted this question in another WF Journal, but figured, why not go straight to the source that inspired me so much..............
"Got some questions as a 1st time scrogger with single WF:
I'm growing a Tangerine Dream, a Sativa Dom, that purportedly stretches 3x-plus when shifted into flower (untrained)....I have approx 49" of headroom above my screen to top of cab max, minus depth of light fixture & hangers which leaves more like 39"
I need about 15" to 17" clearance from my light (600 watts), so that leaves me with 20" to 24" of real headroom.
Every grow I've followed on this strain shows multiple tall colas and a lot of "Out Of Control" comments about her stretch.
Any suggestions as to what % of my screen should be filled before the flip with a reported stretch like that?
My head says 75 to 80% fill before flip and, in truth, I really don't know.......
I topped her before transplanting to Waterfarm as well as super cropped when she took off...now at approx 40% fill of a 2-1/2' x 3-1/2' scrog screen.
Would definitely like to hear some "experienced" suggestions."

And one more question on Air supply feed rates...........
I'm running a GH Dual Diaphragm air pump (24/7), connected to two separate WF's, each with air stones & drip feeds.
I noticed when I had my air valves wide open feeding the WF's drip ring that the TD exhibited a seeming leaf & top growth fragility almost on the verge of what I would call over watered. Very easy to damage the plant when pulling back through.
Seeing this, I experimented and throttled back the air to the drip rings & think/imagine I am experiencing a more robust leaf structure & less fragility on the TD. All other conditions remain as usual.
Now all of what I experienced could be just the state of growth the plant was in......
But continuing................
I am still drip feeding at a good clip, but not at an almost constant stream from the drip ring holes as before.
Growth rate appears to remain unchanged. In fact growth rate is definitely impressing me, from a severely topped transplant to 40% fill of my screen in 3 weeks. Can't thank you enough..............
So Scotty, do you have any input on how much air delivery is OK, and if there is a possibility of over doing it?
PS: I've been known to imagine things before............

Scratch all of the above..................
I think my perception of plant fragility had more to do with how fast it was exploding in growth, me imagining things, and the meds I just enjoyed. Take your pick.
I will flip to 12/12 tomorrow, either that or install a bigger Scrog screen or buy a new house. OK, maybe not buy a new house, but my god.......................
I am amazed at the growth I am getting based on ScottyBall's concepts & TD's documented & condensed guide.
Thank you guy's.......Very Much.
Not quite a month in a home made WF, transplanted fresh from a UB Topping that left her at 3" tall.....may I present my lady.........

dishinit said:

Scratch all of the above..................
I think my perception of plant fragility had more to do with how fast it was exploding in growth, me imagining things, and the meds I just enjoyed. Take your pick.
I will flip to 12/12 tomorrow, either that or install a bigger Scrog screen or buy a new house. OK, maybe not buy a new house, but my god.......................
I am amazed at the growth I am getting based on ScottyBall's concepts & TD's documented & condensed guide.
Thank you guy's.......Very Much.
Not quite a month in a home made WF, transplanted fresh from a UB Topping that left her at 3" tall.....may I present my lady.........

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WOW! man I am telling you I have been putting this link all over the place on RIU! Amazing plant bro, keep it up!

dishinit said:

Scratch all of the above..................
I think my perception of plant fragility had more to do with how fast it was exploding in growth, me imagining things, and the meds I just enjoyed. Take your pick.
I will flip to 12/12 tomorrow, either that or install a bigger Scrog screen or buy a new house. OK, maybe not buy a new house, but my god.......................
I am amazed at the growth I am getting based on ScottyBall's concepts & TD's documented & condensed guide.
Thank you guy's.......Very Much.
Not quite a month in a home made WF, transplanted fresh from a UB Topping that left her at 3" tall.....may I present my lady.........

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Easy man!
Nice grow you got going!
I would flip to 12/12 now! The thing grows so bloody fast once it hits flower you will have so many colas everywhere.
I grew mine under the screen a bit too long so have a few nugs hidden by all the fat colas surrounding them.

Ganjasism said:

WOW! man I am telling you I have been putting this link all over the place on RIU! Amazing plant bro, keep it up!

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I am glad the quide has come in handy for some people.
Nobody really commented on it so i assumed it was crap and useless. haha

For anybody that cares,heres the link again.

>>>Ultimate Waterfarm & Scrog Guide<< <

Saying that, i do have a few questions myself which i want to make a little clearer in the guide,so SCOTTY,wake up! hehe

-You start flushing when 50% of hairs turn brown. Define what you mean by flush. Do you just add water to the reservior from that point on up until harvest, OR, do you dump the whole tank, fill with clean water and let the plant use up its rerserves for the last stage.

-Do you ever observe the trichromes do determine flushing and harvest?

Peace & Love to all!

TD

TDooda said:

Easy man!
Nice grow you got going!
I would flip to 12/12 now! The thing grows so bloody fast once it hits flower you will have so many colas everywhere.
I grew mine under the screen a bit too long so have a few nugs hidden by all the fat colas surrounding them.

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I consider that a High Compliment coming from you, and yes I'm gonna flip and I can only hope for " a few nugs hidden by all the fat colas surrounding them"
Pray for me..............

As for this:
"I am glad the quide has come in handy for some people.
Nobody really commented on it so i assumed it was crap and useless."

My engineer bro, commented that it was well written, and that he liked all the pretty pictures.................................
He liked it so much that he has read it 5 times, and he's a soil guy.......................
So you guys got one convert with his foot in the water (me) and another in the wings................................
You trying to start a Religion or something? ..................................Do we get to sing?

Now I have a question for you.............Did/do you have to be alert to possible drain tube blockage by roots in the lower bucket...?
And if so, how did/do you deal with it with an immovable scrog screen above....................?

hey scotty did you get all that 11oz from one plant?
if so is that because you used the scrod tech.?

doingfine said:

hey scotty did you get all that 11oz from one plant?
if so is that because you used the scrod tech.?

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Yes he yielded 11oz off of 1 plant using the SCROG technique with a 400w light

I would like to duplicate Scotty's success, using his techniques and equipment
except I only have a 250w Ceramic Metal Halide instead of the 400.
So I expect I should get around 5-6oz's right?

thats fuckin awesome
i need to check on that scrod tech

medicalgrowman said:

I would like to duplicate Scotty's success, using his techniques and equipment
except I only have a 250w Ceramic Metal Halide instead of the 400.
So I expect I should get around 5-6oz's right?

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Theoretically you should be able to get 5-6oz's with a 250w, but of course many variables can change this.

Do you think the topping he did made a big difference in a bigger yield?

bongmarley2009 said:

Theoretically you should be able to get 5-6oz's with a 250w, but of course many variables can change this.

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Thanx! As long as I get enough to keep me smoking perpetually as each grow goes through it's cycle!

rick19011 said:

Do you think the topping he did made a big difference in a bigger yield?

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You can top or just bend the plant horizontally when the plant reaches the screen which is set 1 foot above the waterfarm. Either or will work.