Plant issue - help!

carsunltd32

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STOP the de-ionized water use!

RO is ok but, as a rule of thumb...RO water is given a shot of Cal/Mag to buffer the water......

What is your tap water ppk?

General rule of thumb is anything 150 ppm or less is good to go. Many use their tap water and it's best to bubble the chlorine out...you WANT that dissolved o2 IN the water. Letting it set, lowers the amounts of dissolved o2.

Anyway, de-ionized is contributing to pH fluctuations that are part of your trouble....

Your low Mg is most likely from pH nute blocking......Your adding more is a big clue to that also

Over watering is part of the issue also...let them dry out between watering's more. I water a metered amount, everyday, right at lights on and that carries it perfectly to the next day same time...
To me, that's NOT more work.....

Once the roots set, say 8 days.. Water with 2 cups of solution daily....increase as needed to carry the plant over 24 hrs.
Got it. I’ll start with the tap water from now on. I know a lot of people say to let it sit out to let any chlorine dissipate for 24 hours if they don’t have a bubbler

Also I normally give cal-mag since I know the deionization takes out those minerals
 

Dr. Who

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Just need a cheap little air pump for like a 10 gallon fish tank....Single outlet...bubble 5 gallon buckets of water. Refill as you go along - everyday..
 

carsunltd32

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Just need a cheap little air pump for like a 10 gallon fish tank....Single outlet...bubble 5 gallon buckets of water. Refill as you go along - everyday..
Got it. Also the average ppm for total dissolved solids in the water is 130 with a range of 50 to 211
 

Blitz35

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Got it. Also the average ppm for total dissolved solids in the water is 130 with a range of 50 to 211
I've only used tap water, in a big city, and ppms are 150 max, and 110 in colder months, no issues ever, i don't find it necessary to let the water sit out, as first off, most major cities don't use chlorine anymore, but rather chloramine, like mine, which doesn't evaporate, and letting it sit out will only make the water worse as it loses its oxygenation in the process.
Not to mention, that chlorine is not fatal to plants, they actually do have a need for it and is considered a micro nutrient in minuscule amounts, like molybdenum. Plants take it up in the form of cl- (anion).
 

carsunltd32

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I've only used tap water, in a big city, and ppms are 150 max, and 110 in colder months, no issues ever, i don't find it necessary to let the water sit out, as first off, most major cities don't use chlorine anymore, but rather chloramine, like mine, which doesn't evaporate, and letting it sit out will only make the water worse as it loses its oxygenation in the process.
Not to mention, that chlorine is not fatal to plants, they actually do have a need for it and is considered a micro nutrient in minuscule amounts, like molybdenum. Plants take it up in the form of cl- (anion).
The water report for my water says .88 mg/L of chlorine. Is that acceptable to use right away?
 

Blitz35

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The water report for my water says .88 mg/L of chlorine. Is that acceptable to use right away?
To compare, mine is at 25-29 ppm of chlorides! The only other ones i check is sodium and that rests around 12-15 ppm, and iron which is .01. No issues have come up due to my water.
Forgot to mention of course, and very important, is the alkalinity of the water! Not ph! For most plants, having an alkalinity value between 0-100 is satisfactory and optimum levels would be between 30-60 ppm alkalinity (calcium carbonate), mine is between 85-95ppm.
 
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carsunltd32

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To compare, mine is at 25-29 ppm of chlorides! The only other ones i check is sodium and that rests around 12-15 ppm, and iron which is .01. No issues have come up due to my water.
Forgot to mention of course, and very important, is the alkalinity of the water! Not ph! For most plants, having an alkalinity value between 0-100 is satisfactory and optimum levels would be between 30-60 ppm alkalinity (calcium carbonate), mine is between 85-95ppm.
Here is a break down of my water (a portion of it). Mg/L is also equal to ppm.
 

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Blitz35

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Here is a break down of my water (a portion of it). Mg/L is also equal to ppm.
It seems good to go, slightly better than mine. just 1 part i don't get, for chlorides it shows the unit of measurement to be mg/l (ppm) at 250, but in that column, it also says mcl, (microliters). So im not sure if that 250 is mcl, or mg/l like it says next to it.
Im guessing its not 250 ppm of chlorides, so likely what it says to the right, which is at 6-24 ppm. Just becareful adding cal-mag from now as if you are used to deionized water, you have to add it, but with tap, not always, i personally have never used cal-mag, just epsom salt for the extra mag, in flower.
 
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Blitz35

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Well I watered earlier today with distilled water and things are looking good (don’t wanna speak to soon).

Top is 24 hours ago
Bottom is just now
Wow, that one by the fan is completely standing! How much did you water, and was there runoff?
 

jtrizzy

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Well I watered earlier today with distilled water and things are looking good (don’t wanna speak to soon).

Top is 24 hours ago
Bottom is just now
I thought you were going to use tap water? Did I miss something here? The plants look the same to me.
 

carsunltd32

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I thought you were going to use tap water? Did I miss something here? The plants look the same to me.
I am going to use tap water going forward but the pots were very light today. I know that normally tap water should sit out for 24 hours before it’s used
 

PinPin

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I had a similar situation with all leaves dropping down and stems becoming too weak and bending under their weight. It was even worse that on your picture I have moisture sensors so I know it is not because of overwatering. The only thing that was different that night that it was quite cold outside(around +15C) when lights and the fan was on.

My grow space has on outlet on a side wall with a space behind that wall exposed to outdoor temperatures. Since fan is set up the way that it pulls air from outside through that outlet it is most likely that was a problem with very cold air blowing on all my plants all night.
All plants recovered from it very quickly during a daytime after lights and the fan went off.
 

kindbot

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tried out buddy.kindbot.io on a couple photos
Buddy suggests drooping due to overwatering and perhaps Nitrogen deficiency due to light green leaves
 
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