Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

Katatawnic · Mar 17, 2009

Uncle Ben said:
Glad to be here and sharing..... where folks seem anxious to learn rather than troll. It's refreshing.

Very refreshing, indeed! This is now the only growing site I read, and the only one to which I've ever posted. All the info I've needed is here (I rarely need to ask, as my questions are nearly always already answered), without needing to weed through the trolls.... if you'll pardon the pun. :mrgreen:

bgmike8 · Mar 17, 2009

so i put my soil in a four by four tray and then when i pumped the water in all the soil turned to mud and clogged up my whole pump and tray. what do i do?

Uncle Ben · Mar 18, 2009

bgmike8 said:
so i put my soil in a four by four tray and then when i pumped the water in all the soil turned to mud and clogged up my whole pump and tray. what do i do?

Let's check out his thread fellas, perhaps we can help.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/171487-bgmike8-first-grow-ever-all-2.html

UB

bgmike8 · Mar 18, 2009

dude i was just joking. who the hell would put soil in a flood and drain tray?

thasnks though. i think i will give up the comedy.

MoppinSauce · Mar 19, 2009

Hey UB,

I could use a bit of guidance. I've got 3 girls recently transplanted to reconditioned soil two days ago showing brownish/red spotting on the older growth, some on the new growth.

I amended my soil with a bag of FFOF and Dolomite Lime at 2 Tbls/gallon.

Can you please have a look at the pics and point me in the right direction? Let me know if better pics are needed.

They were 100% healthy before the transplant and I was feeding them FF Grow and Big Bloom a bit. They are about a foot tall and at 5 weeks veg.

I am transplanting a bunch more and don't want to run into a problem.

Thanks in advance.

Uncle Ben · Mar 21, 2009

Did the rootball come out intact or did you damage the roots?

What's the total NPK of the combined foods?

Copperish colored dots can be caused by several things - insect damage such as mites but most likely too much plant food. Inspect the underside of the leaves with a 5X loupe.

Good luck,
UB

MoppinSauce · Mar 23, 2009

Uncle Ben said:
Did the rootball come out intact or did you damage the roots?

What's the total NPK of the combined foods?

Copperish colored dots can be caused by several things - insect damage such as mites but most likely too much plant food. Inspect the underside of the leaves with a 5X loupe.

Good luck,
UB

Rootballs were all in tact, close to root bound I would say as I had them in solo cups for 5 weeks or so. Not sure on the totals, but the veg nutes I am using are 6-4-4 and the Fox Farm Ocean soil I amended with about a 1/3 perlite. I am thinking nute burn as well as the ones I transferred to pro mix are not suffering as bad. All seem to be doing well despite the brown spots, but I am reluctant to bloom until I get this figured out. Definitely not mites, ruled that out already. Thanks for your guidance as always sir.

420Brazilian · Mar 23, 2009

Help please
What's wrong with my gurlz ???

Uncle Ben · Mar 24, 2009

MoppinSauce said:
Rootballs were all in tact, close to root bound I would say as I had them in solo cups for 5 weeks or so. Not sure on the totals, but the veg nutes I am using are 6-4-4 and the Fox Farm Ocean soil I amended with about a 1/3 perlite. I am thinking nute burn as well as the ones I transferred to pro mix are not suffering as bad. All seem to be doing well despite the brown spots, but I am reluctant to bloom until I get this figured out. Definitely not mites, ruled that out already. Thanks for your guidance as always sir.

Well, you didn't say how much and often on the foods but more than likely that is the ever prevailing cardinal sin of cannabis forums that is acting like the devil.

Good luck,
UB

fulltimesmoker · Mar 24, 2009

HI UB,

Just wondering If you could take a look at one of my plants. She is one week into 12/12 and was topped using your technique for four main colas and is looking great apart from in the last four days two of the lower leaves have developed crispy brown spots.She is in soil (gold label) which is suppose to have enough food for the first six weeks, so she has only had ph'd water untill yesterday when i fed her bio-bloom & bloom stimulater @ 2ml per litre. Is this just the first stages of the N running out or could it be more serious? Also do you think the bio-buzz is up to the job of keeping her green untill the end?

MoppinSauce · Mar 25, 2009

Uncle Ben said:
Well, you didn't say how much and often on the foods but more than likely that is the ever prevailing cardinal sin of cannabis forums that is acting like the devil.

Good luck,
UB

When they were in solo cups I was feeding full dose recommended at 2-3t gallon on the Grow and started to mix in some of their organic big bloom, which is more like a plant tonic, at 1 Tbls per gallon. They were lovin it with lush green rapid growth. As they were in the solo cups and 5 weeks old they were thirsty so I had to water daily - feeding every other day.

Once I transplanted to the FFOF soil amended with 1/3 perlite did I start seeing problems. Here's my thought, they were already so loaded up with ferts that when I transplanted to the soil with nutes in it it was just plain overkill. Also, the roots were a bit bound and not the vibrant white I was looking for after being in the cups for 5 weeks.

They are recovering it seems now and most are 12 inches under 18-6. Do you think I should wait a bit until they can spread their roots a bit before flowering or will the 16ounces of roots they currently have suffice for the beginning of bloom and additional synthetic bloom nutes ie Tiger Bloom and Open Sesame? They did develop quite the root system in those cups - it was a solid lb of roots in each. I have watered them twice in the last week since transplant and they are in 2 gallon containers.

I am still seeing browning on the leaves on some of the girls older growth, new growth looks good.

As always, thanks for your support my friend. :clap:

Uncle Ben · Mar 25, 2009

fulltimesmoker said:
HI UB,

Just wondering If you could take a look at one of my plants. She is one week into 12/12 and was topped using your technique for four main colas and is looking great apart from in the last four days two of the lower leaves have developed crispy brown spots.

Then you need to look back at what you did upon the change, what differs.

Lung Butter · Mar 26, 2009

I wish I would have read this earlier. I hope it is not to late. Things were going really well intill about half way through flower. Then my girls started to do as you discribed in your over fert section. I though it was spidermites :wall:

I flushed as discribed I hope it works. Basically I have 6 girls under 1000mh in soil mix I've used outside for years. I've aways used fox farms fert. no problems. But I went to a grow shop and they suggested I try bud blaster in conguction with my norm flower fert. I gave as dirrected, and was burning my girls :fire:

while I was trying to fight off a few spidermites that really wern't hurting anything :sad:

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Thanks again for your spot on Dx. of over fert. problems it fit my plant to a tee. I have done all that was suggested I hope it is not to late. Any other advise or incouragment would be cool.

Sorry about my user name it was all I could come up with.

Uncle Ben · Mar 27, 2009

Lung Butter said:
I wish I would have read this earlier. I hope it is not to late. Things were going really well intill about half way through flower. Then my girls started to do as you discribed in your over fert section. I though it was spidermites I flushed as discribed I hope it works. Basically I have 6 girls under 1000mh in soil mix I've used outside for years. I've aways used fox farms fert. no problems. But I went to a grow shop and they suggested I try bud blaster in conguction with my norm flower fert. I gave as dirrected, and was burning my girls ...

Anything to make a buck. I'd ask for my money back and give the guy a knuckle sandwich.

Good luck,
UB

Uncle Ben · Mar 27, 2009

MoppinSauce said:
They are recovering it seems now and most are 12 inches under 18-6. Do you think I should wait a bit until they can spread their roots a bit before flowering or will the 16ounces of roots they currently have suffice for the beginning of bloom and additional synthetic bloom nutes ie Tiger Bloom and Open Sesame? ....

A couple of thoughts one of which I just emphasized in another thread:

1. Stop concentrating on flower production people and only concentrate on root and foliage production and maintaining its health,

2. Once flowering commences root production almost comes to a halt as the plant will focus its "energy" on carrying forth the species.

IOW, make sure you're comfortable with the root system (and foliage) before you go to flipping the switch. Your call.

UB

MoppinSauce · Mar 28, 2009

Uncle Ben said:
2. Once flowering commences root production almost comes to a halt as the plant will focus its "energy" on carrying forth the species.

IOW, make sure you're comfortable with the root system (and foliage) before you go to flipping the switch. Your call.

UB

That's what I thought. I am going to give them at least another few days, although I did see roots coming out of the bottoms of some of the 2 gallon containers so I think they are coming around. I've got em on just water now and am very hesitant to add any nutes due to the soil content, but some of the growth is not as green as I'd like, possibly due to them being rootbound, etc. The ones I have in pro mix look better than the ones in FFOF, go figure, and I am nuting those with 100% recommended dose. Was thinking of introducing bloom nutes at 1/4 strength just to get them ready. Few different strains, not sure how I am going to handle the feedings as some will require more/less than others.

Thanks again for your suggestions, always appreciated.

Greeneyez77 · Mar 29, 2009

I hate shops that try to push old stock onto you!!! I'm a newbie but not stupid! I think u gotta do alot of research online before buying any types of products and everytime I go to my local grow shop they always try to push some more expensive shit on me! or stuff that I just don't really need! I know its their jobs to sell but sometimes very annoying!!

Thanks for the Health guide Uncle Ben. Very Helpful.

Uncle Ben · Mar 30, 2009

Greeneyez77 said:
I hate shops that try to push old stock onto you!!! I'm a newbie but not stupid! I think u gotta do alot of research online before buying any types of products and everytime I go to my local grow shop they always try to push some more expensive shit on me!

Yep, it's a big racket. Support Walmart before you support your local hydro shop, at least they sell bonafide, value added products.

or stuff that I just don't really need! I know its their jobs to sell but sometimes very annoying!!

It's disgraceful. And their target is usually the noob with dreams in his eyes who gets taken in by all the hype. Nice to see you see thru the tawdry games.

Thanks for the Health guide Uncle Ben. Very Helpful.

You're welcome!

Good luck,
UB

Tural · Mar 30, 2009

is it bad if the plant is being overwatered even if its a seed still cause im doing an outdoor grow and we just had a bunch of rain and i wasnt expecting that much and now my grow area is flooded with like a few cm of water and they hadnt sprouted yet im pretty panicked that i killed my plant already the seeds had only been planted for a few days

cloneup · Apr 3, 2009

Hey UB, quick question, should I (or could I) lower my ph while feeding to better my budding?, it seems my plants are "too green" at the end, example being more folage then bud, thanks

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