plants drooping at odd times.. whats the cause??

this is my first hydro grow.. but i've grown for a few years now..

i know that typically drooping is an under/over watering sign... but here's what throws me off..

i have 12 girls in an ebb and flow set up... only 2 of them are showing these signs of drooping..

whats more is they only show it during lights on.. but are nice and perky during the night and right after i turn the lights on...

the girls are only on their 2nd day of flowering... and again its just the two out of the 12...

i adjusted my ph the other day.. i fucked up and did it a whole 1.0 instead of hitting it a little over the a couple days.. so i think it might be osmotic shock... but i have never experinced it so i dont know what the signs are..

i was also wondering if it didnt have something to do with the shock from going from 24/0 to 12/12...

here are a couple pics of the 2 girls that are doing this... the first two pics are just the 2 different plants.. the 3rd pic has 1 of the girls that droops on my next to another girl just to show the difference.. not that the droop isnt extremely noticeable...

i would be extremely grateful for any input on this..


oh.. and this may help answer some questions that im sure will come up...


light cycle is 12/12.. as i said 2nd day of flowering..

EC is 1.2.. ppm is 600...

using flora line of products... 1/4 strength during the transition...

ph is 6.0 currently

flood 4 times daily.. 15 minute floods...

anything else i am happy to be more specific on...

no one has any ideas or can confirm my diagnosis??

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simpsonsampson420 said:

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The plant looks stressed!

You say the plant is fine at night. Other than no light...what else is different?

Is the watering the same? I bet your not watering at night??? Maybe that's it.

Funny how that particular one looks so wilted sitting right between 2 others that look fine.

nothing changed except the light schedule and nutes...

the nute change just went a 1/4 strength solution of gro, micro, and bloom.. plus some cool bloom and floalicious bloom.. but again those were not full strength at all...

watering cycle was the same...

the only thing i did was lower the PH a full point once.. and thats when things went weird..

my thoughts are stress/shock from light changing.... or osmotic shock from the huge PH swing i did.. which was right after they came out of 36 hours of dark...

any other thought??

also.. its an ebb and flow system.. so all the plants are set up to the same reservoir and get fed the same stuff..

the wilting has progressed some...

both plants are sagging more and more... while all the other girls are fine...

i changed out the 1/4 strength nutes and up'd them to an ec or 1.4 or a ppm of 700... which ever you want to go by.. i started thinking that maybe the 1/4 strength nutes actually started flushing the girls out too much.. and maybe that was the issue..

can anyone please give some sort of input on this... i wouldnt be so concerned if all the plants were acting in the same manor... at least i would know it has to do with watering on some level.. but with it being isolated to 2 plants in a system of 12 i am really confused...

this is extremely disheartening that i cant get anyones input or any idea of whether im right or wrong...

flood 4 times daily.. 15 minute floods

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Maybe that's the problem. They all look a little over watered to me. The two you're refering to are just more sensitive it seems. Try backing off the floods to 2 times a day for 5 minutes instead, and see if that helps perk them up.

They are all the same strain right?

They look over fertilized to me, is that tip burn on them, or the way the light hits it in the pic? JR

jrinlv said:

They look over fertilized to me, is that tip burn on them, or the way the light hits it in the pic? JR

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Looks like a similiar problem I had lately, all points led to overwatering, until i got to the roots and they felt dry, i increased my watering to 6 times a day at 5 min floods, things are better now. Could be underwatering.....

my veg girls look the same!! what i did was- i checked in on the veg cupboard a few hours later than normal, they were really dry, like drooping from lack of water. i was half asleep and grabbed what i though was just plain water in a jug but it must have been some strong nute in it, i watered them and went to bed. The next morning 1 way like on the edge of death, all burnt and limp drooping badly. the others all looked droopy aswell. I flushed with ph water (im using coco) and they didn't do much for a week or so then they strated picking back up with growth but the leaves are still drooping 2 weeks later. FTW is with that ??? so They d look a lot better but still not right and i dunno why either. i have some others that were started 2 weeks after the burned ones and they are so green and healthy looking perfect. they all get the same nute water. Its got me fucked!

Madazz

highpsi said:

Maybe that's the problem. They all look a little over watered to me. The two you're refering to are just more sensitive it seems. Try backing off the floods to 2 times a day for 5 minutes instead, and see if that helps perk them up.

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i can only do 15 minute intervals due to my timer... 2 times a day for 5 minutes wouldnt be enough anyways.. my girls drink a LOT of water....

jrinlv said:

They are all the same strain right?

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no.. one strain is super lemon haze.. the other is bluehash

jrinlv said:

They look over fertilized to me, is that tip burn on them, or the way the light hits it in the pic? JR

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they werent burned... they actually ran low on nutes during the first few days of flowering due to the 1/4 strength flush... i think its how the light hits that makes them look that way...

dopedragon said:

Looks like a similiar problem I had lately, all points led to overwatering, until i got to the roots and they felt dry, i increased my watering to 6 times a day at 5 min floods, things are better now. Could be underwatering.....

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the system i use can only be set in 15 minute intervals... 4 times has been optimal the entire growth cycle.. this problem didnt start until after flowering began...

madazz said:

my veg girls look the same!! what i did was- i checked in on the veg cupboard a few hours later than normal, they were really dry, like drooping from lack of water. i was half asleep and grabbed what i though was just plain water in a jug but it must have been some strong nute in it, i watered them and went to bed. The next morning 1 way like on the edge of death, all burnt and limp drooping badly. the others all looked droopy aswell. I flushed with ph water (im using coco) and they didn't do much for a week or so then they strated picking back up with growth but the leaves are still drooping 2 weeks later. FTW is with that ??? so They d look a lot better but still not right and i dunno why either. i have some others that were started 2 weeks after the burned ones and they are so green and healthy looking perfect. they all get the same nute water. Its got me fucked!

Madazz

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its definitely not nute burn...

the problem occured during a time with 1/4 strength nutes...

i hope your girls turn around for you tho....




now for the new symptoms...

the bluehash has pretty much held steady.. no real change... a few leaves on the bottom died... but thats it.. the super lemon haze, which is the one that was sagged over the worst, has a few branches that uprighted themselves while the others continue to sag... the stems on the sagging ones are obviously weak while the ones that have uprighted are like they were prior to any of this happening...

here are a couple new pics... one of each of the two plants and one of the entire grow just to illustrate how healthy everything else is...

yo bro. heres the pics of then new ones and i think the hijack looks the best in the 2 foot pot and the rest sucks so i need your input b4 i pull the plug on them and the other plants look the same as well and my othewr 2 in the maroon pot are the best looking ones
Im thinking of pulling the plug on the other 4 total and just keep the 2 that looks the best and the 1 i already got in the 2 foot pot and flower them all at the same time or something. whats your input or i can atleast tos them somewhere off the trail bro by the water no one goes there lol except me

( 1st and 2nd pics are of the mutants and the others are somewhat mutants as well lol)