Plants have no smell from clones to jars.

Duder1984 said:

I don't use clones so I can't really say which phase is best for them but I can explain the phases and how they affect the plant.

Basically every full moon the moon switches phases to waning. During the waning period it is said that nutrients are drawn out of the root system and upward into the plant structure. Every New Moon the phase switches to waxing. During the waxing period nutrients are drawn back down into the bottom of the plant, into the roots.

If I were going to conduct a test to find out which period is best for rooting clones: I would take cutlings a few days before each lunar phase change (Full, New) This allows them to recover from shock and take full advantage of either phase's effects on the plant.

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LOL! What a bunch of bullshit, that's like the 5th time I've seen you post that in the last 2 days. The moon has absolutely nothing to do with trimming or taking clones. You can take clones ANYTIME YOU WANT. I personally usually will not take them past the third week of flowering but I know others who take them at week 6 with no problems. Keep in mind if you take clones from a vegging plant they will get roots much faster than a clone from a flowering plant.

Motorbuds said:

LOL! What a bunch of bullshit, that's like the 5th time I've seen you post that in the last 2 days. The moon has absolutely nothing to do with trimming or taking clones. You can take clones ANYTIME YOU WANT. I personally usually will not take them past the third week of flowering but I know others who take them at week 6 with no problems. Keep in mind if you take clones from a vegging plant they will get roots much faster than a clone from a flowering plant.

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As I said before, you can definitely get by well enough without factoring the phase of the moon, but since it is such an easy factor to consider I don't know why anyone would argue with it. You are using hearsay to prove your point, while I back everything I say with actual evidence that you yourself are free to test.

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As I said before, you can definitely get by well enough without factoring the phase of the moon, but since it is such an easy factor to consider I don't know why anyone would argue with it. You are using hearsay to prove your point, while I back everything I say with actual evidence that you yourself are free to test.

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Hmm i don't see any actual evidence any where.

lxyzeroomer said:

i dry my buds for about 10 days then put in ball jars and burp everynight till the stem breaks ,carbon filter was purchased at the start but never needed it its not being used...

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10 days at what levels of humidity? You may be letting the scent evaporate out of the buds.

When you smell something, you are sensing the molecules that are evaporating from chemicals inside or on the surface of what ever you are smell. These chemicals exist in finite amounts, just as you can evaporate all the water out of your buds, you can evaporate all the scent chemicals as well.

I want to clarify that using an exhaust fan on drying buds in a sealed container will rapidly increase the rate of evaporation (heat is also a factor, the hotter the higher evaporation rate)

Your goal in curing should be to lock in these scent chemicals evaporating off the plant and forcing them to create bonds with some of the exposed or otherwise resinous surfaces.

Duder1984 said:

10 days at what levels of humidity? You may be letting the scent evaporate out of the buds.

When you smell something, you are sensing the molecules that are evaporating from chemicals inside or on the surface of what ever you are smell. These chemicals exist in finite amounts, just as you can evaporate all the water out of your buds, you can evaporate all the scent chemicals as well.

I want to clarify that using an exhaust fan on drying buds in a sealed container will rapidly increase the rate of evaporation (heat is also a factor, the hotter the higher evaporation rate)

Your goal in curing should be to lock in these scent chemicals evaporating off the plant and forcing them to create bonds with some of the exposed or otherwise resinous surfaces.

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exhaust fan is in flowering room and is turned on manually by me just to freshen up th air when needed not everyday use, curing is done in a 55 percent humidity room on mesh racks dry approxametely 8 to 10 days when i feel a slight amout of moisture by squeezing the buds i jar them...... same plants outdoors clones of the same mothers stink to high heaven... thats why i think its the water because im using the same nutes but they get most of there water 90 percent from rain.....

suTraGrow said:

Hmm i don't see any actual evidence any where.

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I suggested a way to test the validity of my statements for yourself, with a scientific approach.

This is the problem with the modern perception of scientific research, too often people are reliant on the research done by others. What happens when a phenomena like the lunar phases and its effect on the biology of plants has no real measurement tool? How exactly do you definitively measure the fluid pressure rates and chemical reactions of an entire biological structure with comparative references to gradual changes in the forces generated by a passing celestial body?

There are plenty of journals and theories out there of attempts to prove what farmers have been saying for thousands of years. All results are at the correlation level, no one has been able to come up with a way to definitively measure and prove the results.

Duder1984 said:

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I suggested a way to test the validity of my statements for yourself, with a scientific approach.

This is the problem with the modern perception of scientific research, too often people are reliant on the research done by others. What happens when a phenomena like the lunar phases and its effect on the biology of plants has no real measurement tool? How exactly do you definitively measure the fluid pressure rates and chemical reactions of an entire biological structure with comparative references to gradual changes in the forces generated by a passing celestial body?

There are plenty of journals and theories out there of attempts to prove what farmers have been saying for thousands of years. All results are at the correlation level, no one has been able to come up with a way to definitively measure and prove the results.

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I stand by what i said i do NOT see any actual evidence any where here.
All hearsay crap. Hearsay wouldn't even hold up in the court of law. Hence a marijuana growing forum

lxyzeroomer said:

exhaust fan is in flowering room and is turned on manually by me just to freshen up th air when needed not everyday use, curing is done in a 55 percent humidity room on mesh racks dry approxametely 8 to 10 days when i feel a slight amout of moisture by squeezing the buds i jar them...... same plants outdoors clones of the same mothers stink to high heaven... thats why i think its the water because im using the same nutes but they get most of there water 90 percent from rain.....

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OK Gotcha.

If you want an easy test to see if you are letting all the scent evaporate out, trying reducing your dry times drastically. Maybe 1 or 2 days instead of 10. you dont have to do the entire harvest that way, maybe just a small portion as a control.

suTraGrow said:

I stand by what i said i do NOT see any actual evidence any where here.
All hearsay crap. Hearsay wouldn't even hold up in the court of law. Hence a marijuana growing forum

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You can stand by anything you want, it really isn't any concern of mine.

I'm trying to help this person here, so if you would excuse me I don't feel the need to engage in an argument this petty of nature.

Duder1984 said:

You can stand by anything you want, it really isn't any concern of mine.

I'm trying to help this person here, so if you would excuse me I don't feel the need to engage in an argument this petty of nature.

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LOL whos arguing? i think your arguing with your self buddy
I was looking for actual facts. Not she said he said bull shit. Seeing that you cannot proudec such evidence. I have no time to "engage in an argument this petty of nature" As well
Better luck next time....

theres been alot of problem with smell on here latley. boo boo

Are you really so daft as to discount an entire body of information based on one individual's ability to present an argument in a way you deem favorable?

This is not the basis of scientific understanding, you my friend are sorely at a disadvantage if that is the only path to objectivity in your eyes... no, I don't need the luck, it really sounds like you do.

Duder1984 said:

OK Gotcha.

If you want an easy test to see if you are letting all the scent evaporate out, trying reducing your dry times drastically. Maybe 1 or 2 days instead of 10. you dont have to do the entire harvest that way, maybe just a small portion as a control.

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ok i have 1 plant thats ready for harvest ill cut it down trim it then dry for 3 days then jar it and see what happens.

Alright I will check back to hear the results.

Come to think of it, you should probably conduct a more comprehensive test to avoid confusion.

Maybe set up 7 jars. on the third day of drying take one gram and put it in jar 1, on the 4th day do the same for jar 2 and so on until you are on day 10, then just put the remainder of your harvest in other jars like u normally would.

it'll be a bit tedious but by the end of it all youll be able to eliminate the drying stage of the curing process from possible source of the problem.

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Come to think of it, you should probably conduct a more comprehensive test to avoid confusion.

Maybe set up 7 jars. on the third day of drying take one gram and put it in jar 1, on the 4th day do the same for jar 2 and so on until you are on day 10, then just put the remainder of your harvest in other jars like u normally would.

it'll be a bit tedious but by the end of it all youll be able to eliminate the drying stage of the curing process from possible source of the problem.

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my outdoor harvest is dried the same way-time and stinks to high heaven,my outdoor is my best harvest every year...

Ok personally I grow in soil and my grade is delicious ! Just thought I would drop that here.

Second point - Duder1984 You are clearly an idiot. I take clones all the time and would never even consider giving my plants anything that could be tasted in the bud when smoked ???? WTF that is going to be consumed by me and you want me to put crap in it. I would never use a bud flavouring. Not unless someone specifically requested it.

Now I keep my plant dry before I cut, then dry the whole plant upside down for 3-5 days dependent on the size of the cola's. (or is it coli because that sounds awesome)

Jars for a week regularly burped, if I see any moisture on the side of the jar or if the weed smells or feels damp at any point tip the jar out for 30 mins and then refill. My grade tastes nice and it smells good.

My first few plants didnt smell due to drying issues, then the next ones due to nutrients, now I dry properly and use a full suite of nutrients my smell is set ! Longer veg periods and bigger plants tend to smell nicer IMO.
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Give me a shout if you need anything.

Mouse

Humidity testers in the jars to make sure your humidity sticks around 60-65 percent is useful, any higher and its still too wet any less and you may have missed the cure.

I would say its not the cure that you are struggling with I would say that you are not giving the plant the full range of nutrients it requires to build a full array of tepenoids (or however you spell it). You dont have this problem outdoors because they have allsorts to eat, If I ate all sorts I would be damn tasty too . But on the other hand If you fed me on rice and bread I would be fatty, my meat would be too lean and would lack flavour.

Y'get the idea !

Feed me and you will get tasty MEAT !

lol

Mouse

Edit: Feed me and you will get tasty MEAT ! What the fuck I think I woke up high haha

lxyzeroomer said:

my outdoor harvest is dried the same way-time and stinks to high heaven,my outdoor is my best harvest every year...

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in that case id say curing is most likely not your issue

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Second point - Duder1984 You are clearly an idiot. I take clones all the time and would never even consider giving my plants anything that could be tasted in the bud when smoked ???? WTF that is going to be consumed by me and you want me to put crap in it. I would never use a bud flavouring. Not unless someone specifically requested it.


Mouse

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Are you a fool? You think there is anything in cherry extract that isn't already present in the plant matter you are smoking? I dont think you have a very good understanding of basic chemistry or biology if that is the position you are taking.

To clarify, I don't use these methods myself because I happen to enjoy the taste of natural marijuana, but that doesnt take away from the principle I am presenting. The fact is that this process is well documented and in use by several people, despite any misconceptions you may have. The underlying principle of course is that a combination of the contents of your medium and the additions you make to it will affect the smell and taste of the bud, giving validity to the statement that his nutrient mixture and choice of medium may be to blame for lack of scent/taste.