please help first grow plants dieing fast!!!

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light-240 black star led
recipe for success starter kit nutrients
grown dan grow cubes
4 auto flowing feminized seeds
back 2 plants have 50 % nute and front 2 65% nute.
co2 cultivator system mylar on walls fan blowing 24/7
light cycle 20 on 4 off water 2 times a day lightly
spray foilage with co@ water with correct pH plus all water pH is at 5.8 when given to plants
also i have co2 cartridges the a puncture and allow the co2 to sprinkle on plants twice a day
please help asap i have no idea what is wrong with my plants and ive been looking everywhere it looks like Mg deff. or maybe Mn deff. but i can not be to sure since this is my first grow and i am slightly new to this, thank you so much for your time and all help is appreciated!

Is calmag one of the supplements? Using bloom nutes?

Well, first let me say I do not want to come off as a troll or an asshole. I really have no advice to offer just another question. If you have never grown cannabis before, why would you attempt your first grow in such a complicated system? What I mean is plants grow quite good on their own in dirt. Why not get a grow or 2 accomplished in soil and then start experimenting with other methods and mediums?

The technaflora recipe kit is awesome in soil. I used it with FF Happy Frog and View attachment 2354347 this was the result. Good luck and +rep for 1st grow.

Too much water. Too much nutes. Never spray at lights on.
Rockwool is outdated IMO.

you need to be more specific about your nutes , you need to grow folige . and the bottom part of the plant will self canibolize itself until you get into a growing rythme . since yours is showing such signs of maturity .. it needs time to grow ... they look fine to some degree . when you get some better lights ... whats your lights , i dont give a shit about your kit ... what combo of blue and red/orange light is there VS vegging vs. flowing nutes (specialized root devolopement stuff would be one of my first thoughts , i am newbie too so get advice from me with grains of salt mentality). we need correct info about what you are doing with what shit(nutes) exactly with the goals of [end product predictions] . if you get my drift . it takes time for the root development ... H2O twice a day seems like alot with those giant (rockwools?) sometimes it helps to keep a simple organic philosophy until you learn how to manipulate your phenotypes for a 50%primeNUGS topshelf claim ?! i will give away some of the shit i was/am working on IOHGGP some other time (theres dots between those letters)... n e ways . you seem pretty much on your way ... i hate this saying but it applys here 'rome wasnt built in a day' , cuz i hate romans , but thats just the genius me being SMART

puppetmasterSandP said:

since yours is showing such signs of maturity .. it needs time to grow ... they look fine to some degree . when you get some better lights ... i am newbie too so get advice from me with grains of salt mentality) but thats just the genius me being SMART

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Pardon me, but since when problems are a sign of maturity? And how does the plant look fine? To what extreme degree? How could any changes in lights fix this?
But that's just the genius me being questionative (is that a word?)

Back to topic: Imo not worth trying to fix it. Even if you do fix it, yield 3grams per plant. So just start again in soil.

ok well i think i am gong to just start over and try your idea of the Kit with happy frog so can you explain how you did it like when and how much of the nutesdid u put in and how much water ect thank you so much!

I agree with dc4, your plants to have already a bud at such a small size you will spend electricity for nothing mate. it happen to me for my first grow and I had nothing except a larger electric bill! they will stay small (not bigger than 8/9") and take for ever to be ready.
and as somebody else already pointed out, keep it simple....... I started my first grow in a GT205 nft tank, you can correct mistake faster in my opinion as the feed go directly on the roots, a 600w dual spectrum light bulb and outake fan, that was it no fancy this and that. As the time as gone by, I have changed and adjusted few things and it work for me.
I wish you luck with your future grow......

I will give you a basic rundown. But, no I will not walk you through your grow step by step. I germinate in paper towels. When they sprout I plant in 4" pots with FFHF and a 20-30% perlite mix. I do not feed anything from the nutes until at least 3 weeks after I transplant to a 3 gallon bag there is more than enough food for them in the soil. When I do begin feeding I start at 1/4 doseage and build from there as such...feed, water, water, 1/4 dose feed, water, water, 1/2 dose and so on until I get to full dose or begin to flower depending on if they are ready or not. Sometimes I wait a bit sometimes I change to 12/12 before I get to full dose. Before I switch to flower I flush 3 gallons (equal to the amount of soil) of water. Then after I begin to feed flowering nutes on the same graduating schedule. I stop feeding when they are about 10 days out. Any questions??

awesome that is such a huge help thank you so much man!!! i do have a couple questions though what kind of pot/bag do you use?, after trans to the 3 gal when would u start feeding them the 1/4 nutrients, and if my seeds are auto flowering would i mix the veg and flowering nutes and if so how would you recommend to do that. thank you so much again for your help!!

I got the white grow bags from HTG but any containor works. Do not ix veg/bloom nutes. Plants need different things at different times. Use veg nutes if needed after the 3rd week of being in the large pot. When the buds start forming into recognizable buds then flush and begin bloom regimen.

tazman1992 said:

PLEASE HELP PICS INCLUDED

light-240 black star led
recipe for success starter kit nutrients
grown dan grow cubes
4 auto flowing feminized seeds
back 2 plants have 50 % nute and front 2 65% nute.
co2 cultivator system mylar on walls fan blowing 24/7
light cycle 20 on 4 off water 2 times a day lightly
spray foilage with co@ water with correct pH plus all water pH is at 5.8 when given to plants
also i have co2 cartridges the a puncture and allow the co2 to sprinkle on plants twice a day
please help asap i have no idea what is wrong with my plants and ive been looking everywhere it looks like Mg deff. or maybe Mn deff. but i can not be to sure since this is my first grow and i am slightly new to this, thank you so much for your time and all help is appreciated!

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Hi there, please correct me if I am wrong... those look like 'flowering clones'? Is this correct? if so have you made sure that the roots were fully developed before supplying nute? I.e. in a humid doom etc... If you have and the roots are nute ready, then the medium is terrible for allowing too much veg/flower time alone in it before moving to a better medium (there is information on growing flowering clones ) http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/48941-what-flowering-clone.html
It could be that your medium is causing too much lock out which could be ph issues. I have heard it does take a while to get them back into veg state... but, as some one else mentioned, I would guess medium problems causing nute lock out. But I am no veteran and the link above seems like some good info.

Take their advice and scrap those plants. You are wasting electricity for absolutely nothing. You're are better off putting them outside if you would actually want to finish them.

I am assuming you got clones? I don't think I read your entire post. If clones then you probably started them off 12/12 they day they went into ground I have never seen a plant flower that small until I came by a thread about people cloning auto plants.

Keep it simple bro. I spent $160 On my light....and here are my plants. Very first grow just like you, Even in cubes just like you.


How much did you spend on that crazy light $300 or more and you didn't get squat....I feel bad for you

Just pick yourself up and start again. Cubes are easy too don't start in soil if you don't want to. My first grow are still in cubes and they are growing just fine, easy as pie no worries.

Just re read your post. Fem seeds. I just want to know how they started flowering so small...

The best advice is go read an asston of information before you start growing those plants are not going anywhere prolly, i commend you on trying but gain knowledge before you do it again... Keep trying, Goodluck

dc4 said:

Pardon me, but since when problems are a sign of maturity? And how does the plant look fine? To what extreme degree? How could any changes in lights fix this?
But that's just the genius me being questionative (is that a word?)

Back to topic: Imo not worth trying to fix it. Even if you do fix it, yield 3grams per plant. So just start again in soil.

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what did you edit out ,,, ? , if you couldnt fix this , then maybe you SUCK ? , starting over is an easy endeaver . fix it , and start over on the side ... but anyways .... a flowering plant ... auto flower , is mature and needs to be grown differently from what i see ...

and questionative/able is a word .. english sucks balls as a language ... and your wrong in general about your advice of these plants .... DONT LISTEN TO HIS/HER/ITS advice . i would help you fix it , you learn more from tying to fix your fuckups than following someones elses recipe for SUCCESS ...

fix it , understand where/why/how you fucked up . or follow some dweeb . you pick ur battles

puppetmasterSandP said:

what did you edit out ,,, ? , if you couldnt fix this , then maybe you SUCK ? , starting over is an easy endeaver . fix it , and start over on the side ... but anyways .... a flowering plant ... auto flower , is mature and needs to be grown differently from what i see ...

and questionative/able is a word .. english sucks balls as a language ... and your wrong in general about your advice of these plants .... DONT LISTEN TO HIS/HER/ITS advice . i would help you fix it , you learn more from tying to fix your fuckups than following someones elses recipe for SUCCESS ...

fix it , understand where/why/how you fucked up . or follow some dweeb . you pick ur battles

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A huge percentage of this worlds population has a terrible time learning from their mistakes and always makes the same mistake at least twice....so go ahead try to help him and it could be for nothing, or.....or....or.....just a thought......he could start again and learn to do it right without making the mistake.

Wasn't trying to be a smart ass....just pointing out that even if he did waist a considerable amount of time and effort on that plant trying to fix it....it wouldn't be worth it even if it is just to learn how to fix it...... he can just throw it outside and water it and let it finish....

help learning 'never to count your chickens' and how 'murphies law' , apply directly to Medical grade marijuana and not some mids . you have to master reading the plant and how it reacts to things you do to it , to stress it just enough so it ends up some way , or preplan you have in your mind . how you grow will effect your plants pheno . and your plants genetics will show thru , i know what i would do with that plant and its light/water stress . yes he can start over and do this too , because a good rule of thumb is grow twice as many plants as you have room for flowering if you have ppl who can take the underperforming ones . i created a bad ass pheno for my first time grow .

puppetmasterSandP said:

help learning 'never to count your chickens' and how 'murphies law' , apply directly to Medical grade marijuana and not some mids . you have to master reading the plant and how it reacts to things you do to it , to stress it just enough so it ends up some way , or preplan you have in your mind . how you grow will effect your plants pheno . and your plants genetics will show thru , i know what i would do with that plant and its light/water stress . yes he can start over and do this too , because a good rule of thumb is grow twice as many plants as you have room for flowering if you have ppl who can take the underperforming ones . i created a bad ass pheno for my first time grow .

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I doubt you created a "BAD ASS" plant on your very first breed....

What happened was you mated the plant and you got a good seed. You did absoluely nothing to make that pheno at all. Saying you created an amazing pheno on you very first generation just makes you look like a new growing with no experience....Not saying you are. I am just stating facts that you breeding 1 generation had no part in making a bad ass pheno it was already most likely there and you did nothing but let two plants someone else made mate.

i created the environment that cause my pheno , the stresses i initiated and those that were beyond my control combined into , a plant that givin much different variables would thrive in quite a few of them once climatized . my indoor/outdoor/hybrid growing philosophy i was theorizing about . my plant fit perfectly into that , phenotype = genotype x's envirornment . yes i had nothing to do with development of this type/strain , and yes i got lucky to get a seed that fits into this growing philosophy . my plant stands 12'' tall (with debate) and was looking to yeild in the 3-6 oz range from what i was viewing . without access to information/theweb . i made some minor mistakes arguably . i removed some fan and undergrowth leaves prematurely (trying to combine indoor and outdoor techniques is tricky), but a sudden switch to full outdoor after initiation of flower12/12 on 7-4 around 8-11 entered my plant into a extended flowering mode , which gives me insight into this to some degree , so many of my mistakes/accidental mishaps helped me learn how the plant can be manipulated with light .

so you are wrong when you say i did not create my phenotype dumbass . my plant is 20 inches long but only 12'' vertical because of my experimental growing techniques , i never heard of or read about , their all mine . phenotypes often explains why one strain can grow so excellent under one person and so mediocre under another ... if i knew more about the genotype of my plant , then i might engineer the grow room/area to fit its genotype better . isnt that the point of growing 13 plants in a room/area and picking the 4 best ones that thrive best in that envirornment , artificially selection or phenotyping for your/its envirornment . had those same 13 plants been grown in a different grow area with a different envirornment , possibly 4 other plants would thrive .


let me add , this dudes plant , never really climatized itself to this grow room . i suggest this person read about climatization and phenotypes . he prolly shouldnt start out with something so complicated . unless all you want is to grow bud for the sake of growing bud following other ppls recipes . then start over . we learn more from our mistakes than when everything is peachy . what you learn along the way will give you MJJ growing precepts , so you can experiment with confidence down the road , i recomend you keep it simple in the beginning . OH AND BY CHANGING THE LIGHTS AND NUTES you can save this plant probably . like that other dude said , medium problems . i concure .

puppetmasterSandP said:

let me add , this dudes plant , never really climatized itself to this grow room .

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This is one of the dumbest sentences I have found on riu. No offence, dude.