PLEASE help me identify that sickness :( high quality PICS this time

have you waterd in ne epsom salts ? it looks like a mag def with that leaf curling upwards, try 2 teaspoons per gallon, you can add a teaspoon apple cidar vinegar to lower your ph a bit too, both these might help.

i have the same thing happening to my plants pics and all and im in dro i am flushing right now so hopefully it will work!

I think some of you give advices without reading. My roots are white, there is no root rot.

In the first post I shared my runoff water is too acidic - ph 5.8 - what good flushing with 5.5 water will do except bring the ph even lower. I had this lockup due to low ph, I should try to bring my ph to safe levels 6.2 to 6.8, so what good flushing with 5.5 water will possibly do?

I intentionally used ph 7 water, cuz I was having the acidic soil problem, my runoff water went from 5.8 do 6.2 and I think that is a good thing, I am in the save zone now, and nutes should be accesible to the plants without lockups

Also I have 10x 6 liters pots, thats 60 liters, 3x this volume is 180 liters, I simply didn't have big enough reservoir to adjust ph of water, plus flushing with a little higher ph water in order to compensate for the low soil ph made sense.

I will wait for the pots to dry up a bit and will give them some nutes quater strenght, ph'd at 6.8 and see how it goes

could anyone give me some adequate advice on foliar feed while I wait for the flush water to dry out?

10x everyone for the advices, I should have flushed 2 weeks ago, what was I thinking

FLoJo said:

well the runoff in the soil is a tad bit low first of all, which will lead to certain nutes such as mg to be locked out. no matter what amount of nutes you add, they will not be able to uptake because the ph is not balanced. i would get 7.0 water and flush the plants until the runoff at the bottom is 6.5-6.8.

when it does, feed with 1/2 nutes ph balanced to around 6.5 you can save them but the leaves will not recover, and since you are so close to harvest you will not see new growth to show you that the problem has been solved. just get your ph straight and finish them out.

FLo

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no offense to all of you guys, but I seem to have done exactly what this dude suggested (actually I started flushing with ph 7 water a few minutes before he posted ) and that dude has some more rep so I hope he is right

FLoJo - I flushed for like 45 minutes, filling pots up to the top, letting them runoff and again and again, maybe 20 times, runoff water whent to 6.2 and woudn't go any higher so I stopped flushing, according to the charts 6.2 is the bottom of the OK zone, so I guess I will water with slightly higher ph water in order to balance it out, like 6.8 or even 7

ya dude dont listen to these peeps

you dont have root rot, that is not the effect it has on the leaves.

the nutes you are using are fine, you are just getting lockout due to the low ph.

and you are correct if you want to bring the ph up, you have to water with a tad higher ph so that it will bring it up and clear it out.. the soil will buffer the ph so its not like watering with 7.1 water will make your soil automatically go to 7.1... its a numbers game obviously it will be easier to bring your ph up to 6.5 by using 7.0 than by using 6.4..

now that you have flushed em, water with properly balanced nutes at half strenght and let them chill.. you will be aight.

FLo

i was sure it was root rot. good for you! there is still hope. however when you say that you going to let the soil dry before you add nutes this does not sound ideal to me i think that you should replace the nutes right after a 3 to 1 flush. something to think about. i made that mistake and it burned the tips of my hairs so couldn't have been good

FLoJo said:

ya dude dont listen to these peeps
you dont have root rot, that is not the effect it has on the leaves.
the nutes you are using are fine, you are just getting lockout due to the low ph. and you are correct if you want to bring the ph up, you have to water with a tad higher ph so that it will bring it up and clear it out.. the soil will buffer the ph so its not like watering with 7.1 water will make your soil automatically go to 7.1... its a numbers game obviously it will be easier to bring your ph up to 6.5 by using 7.0 than by using 6.4. now that you have flushed em, water with properly balanced nutes at half strenght and let them chill.. you will be aight.FLo

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ya know, it's not cool to diss folks that are trying (even though sometimes incorrectly) to help. i know it can get annoying to try and solve a problem, and hearing 10 different suggestions can be exasperating. that being said, i highly suggest you feed/water at normal ph levels, 6.5. YOU SHOULD NEVER CHASE PH!

i didnt diss anyone or call anyone out. i simply took what has been given and pointed out the flaws. people can give out all the advice they want it doesnt make it right. i am trying to tell him what to do to solve his problem not just throwing random stuff out there like some other people did. if i wanted to i could go name by name and diss people and call em out on their advice but i didnt, i simply stated the proper treatment and why it was so and why.

FLo

foliar feeding is when you take a spray bottle and mist your plants you can take a touch of nutes and mix it in with it!!

looks like almost a mosaic disease

ok i'm getting sucked in to defend myself and will go in to more detail.i have seen this in to many of my grows before i purchased seemorebuds dvds that garden gnome preaches, the spots on the leaves are probably ph,however there there is something else happening to, with the way the leaves are drooping and the tips are white(overwatering) and the leaves are a little on the lime green side if this was overfert the leaves would be a dark green and there are only 2 things that i have found that make the leaves droop overfert,and overwatering and without perlite in the bottom for the roots to have a safe place, leads to root rot and that is what causes the leave to die off like in the second and third pic usually from the bottom of the plant up

HOHO said:

ok i'm getting sucked in to defend myself and will go in to more detail.i have seen this in to many of my grows before i purchased seemorebuds dvds that garden gnome preaches, the spots on the leaves are probably ph,however there there is something else happening to, with the way the leaves are drooping and the tips are white(overwatering) and the leaves are a little on the lime green side if this was overfert the leaves would be a dark green and there are only 2 things that i have found that make the leaves droop overfert,and overwatering and without perlite in the bottom for the roots to have a safe place, leads to root rot and that is what causes the leave to die off like in the second and third pic usually from the bottom of the plant up

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ok nobody was attacking you so there was no need to defend yourself but anyways.

white tips dont mean over watering,however it can be the first signs of nute burn.

lime green leaves are healthy leaves.. overferting does not cause dark leaves. only an excess of nitrogen causes dark leaves.

overfert in itself does not cause leaves to droop, overwatering, various lockouts, deficiencies, and variance in the leafs turgor pressure causes leaf droop

you also do not need pearlite in the bottom to prevent root rot, just maintain consistent waterings.. and if you do get rot in the upper portions of the roots you are screwed anyways.

and root rot does lots of different things to leaves depending on conditions.. you cannot look at that plant and say it has root rot without inspecting the roots.

FLo

out of respect to driver i was wondering if it is ok to keep using your thread or would you like me to start my own i would like to bicker with flo a little. with all do respect to both of you +rep to,lets keep it friendly?

FLoJo said:

ya dude dont listen to these peeps

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that, in itself is disrespecting other "peeps" suggestions. if you would have left that out....... except for the feed/water at a higher ph, i agree with everything you suggested. add a smidgen of humility to your posts, and you'll have info. to share that people will seek out.

i guess that can be considered disrespectful silky.. mean no disrespect there. should have said well a lot of the other info is not exactly correct.. my bad

^^^it's all good dude. i was gonna rep ya but i already did somewhere and it wouldn't let me....^^^

FLoJo said:

ok nobody was attacking you so there was no need to defend yourself but anyways.

white tips dont mean over watering,however it can be the first signs of nute burn.

lime green leaves are healthy leaves.. overferting does not cause dark leaves. only an excess of nitrogen causes dark leaves.

overfert in itself does not cause leaves to droop, overwatering, various lockouts, deficiencies, and variance in the leafs turgor pressure causes leaf droop

you also do not need pearlite in the bottom to prevent root rot, just maintain consistent waterings.. and if you do get rot in the upper portions of the roots you are screwed anyways.

and root rot does lots of different things to leaves depending on conditions.. you cannot look at that plant and say it has root rot without inspecting the roots.

FLo

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yupp your wright. simply put we can tell you to look at your ph, and what def your symptoms are showing, but root rot is a in person chek up.

if he is using soil it buffers ph. ro water should be fine in all likelyhood he used some store bough soil with fert in it allready and adding even a little will lock them out.
also he will likely build up ferts over time . i give water every day i give nutes once a week fox farm soil and i did not even think about nutes untill i was well into flower the fox farms has plenty to go around for the first part of the plants life.
i use a 1/8th ince drip line so i just move it around the 5 gallon pot and it pucks up the fox farms now that i am flowering i only use about 800 ppm and i only give them a small ammount like a cup per plant and then a week of strait ro.
havent really seen that kind of burn as of yet on mine.
mine are 29 days into flower

you may want to really flush them out as they look like they got smacked
hope ya save them

ok so i don't think this guy is using this thread anymore so i would like to start by apologizing on giving out bad advice i think where i went wrong was i should have said POSSIBLE root rot, i sounded a little cocky, i have been humbled. HOHO

I'm using the thread, but right now there is nothing to post, I've read plants will take up to 5-6 days for recovery of ph related lockup, so I am waiting to see how this will turn

The soil is still wet from the flushing, it will be dry in 2-3 days, I have removed some of the most damaged leafs. It's strange that I see 4-5 seeds developing, cuz I got all girls, but thats probably due to one of the 4 hermies I pulled out about 10 days ago