Please help my clones arent doing well.

FamMan

FamMan

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Whattup Riu....I need your help. So i cloned my plants(1st time) 10 days ago and they arent doing well. I did two methods: Stinkbuds aerocloner and a method from this site: http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/15678004-how-to-clone-organically-ditch-the-rooting-hormone-products.
They are in 4x8 temp in a spare bedroom. The temps go from 75-79 and humidity is only 20-30. I havent sprayed the the clones under the dome since they were cloned. And all i used in the aerocloner was clean water and Clonex gel on the clones (im running bottled organic nutes atm but half my room is going full Living Organics next run). They are under two 40 watt T12 about 2.5-3ft on top of them.
I need to figure out what is wrong with them and if i should scrap them and try again. My plants are 8 days into flower and i really dont want to lose my genetics. So if i gotta clone again I want to do it ASAP. Thanx for any help peeps.
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greasemonkeymann

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@FamMan they don't look that bad man.
I like a lil less leaves on mine, gotta remember each of those leaves will need water to "fill" them, so that puts more of a stress on the stem, no roots and such...
I don't use any gels or anything, just distilled water.
takes about 7-15 days to root, but the tops of those clones are NOT wilted, which means they are getting water delivered via the stem...
I say wait it out a lil man
----edit---- stupid question
that humidity reading is from OUTSIDE of the dome, right?
 
ShLUbY

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something that i find that helps my close a lot is snipping some of the larger leaves in half lengthwise. this slows down transpiration and enables the clone to hold onto more water because there are less stomata open allowing vapor to leave the plant.

also you have some thrip damage it looks like. you should consider some captain jack's dead bug...

another tip i will share is if you use the cloning gel, you should dilute 5-7 drops of the gel into about 1.25 cups of water, and put your cuttings in that cup of water for 24 hrs in a low light area. on the fringe of your veg light is fine. this will maximize the effectiveness and stretch your dollars much farther with the gel. after 24hrs put them right in the aero cloner or rapid rooters, whatever you're using.

i don't like to make the cuttings work hard because they have no roots. so water is scarce in the plant. this is why low light, and a light defoliation to slow transpiration is beneficial to clones imo. let them put their energy to root production.
 
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tropicalcannabispatient

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FamMan said:
Whattup Riu....I need your help. So i cloned my plants(1st time) 10 days ago and they arent doing well. I did two methods: Stinkbuds aerocloner and a method from this site: http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/15678004-how-to-clone-organically-ditch-the-rooting-hormone-products.
They are in 4x8 temp in a spare bedroom. The temps go from 75-79 and humidity is only 20-30. I havent sprayed the the clones under the dome since they were cloned. And all i used in the aerocloner was clean water and Clonex gel on the clones (im running bottled organic nutes atm but half my room is going full Living Organics next run). They are under two 40 watt T12 about 2.5-3ft on top of them.
I need to figure out what is wrong with them and if i should scrap them and try again. My plants are 8 days into flower and i really dont want to lose my genetics. So if i gotta clone again I want to do it ASAP. Thanx for any help peeps.
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Never thought about cutting leaves in half for less water use? Also like others sed to low rh, u need like 70%- 80%. I did 2 clones 2 weeks ago and they are flowering already, i keep it simple no rooting hormones or gel or anything, i just take the cut and plant them in party cups, i keep them always moist but not damp, high humidity and they always do good, i hope that helps some how!! Good luck!! here are they. no hijacking intentions WP_20151129_13_50_05_Rich.jpg
 
FamMan

FamMan

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PKHydro said:
Humidity is way too low. Clones like it hot and humid. 85f and RH in the 70-80%
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I can up the heat with the space heater. Wasnt trying to do that....already got one goin for night time in big room.:wall: I read that the aerocloner humdity comes from inside so the outside is ok and the dome always has condensation built up...If i needed to up the humidity is a humidifier my only option?
greasemonkeymann said:
@FamMan they don't look that bad man.
I like a lil less leaves on mine, gotta remember each of those leaves will need water to "fill" them, so that puts more of a stress on the stem, no roots and such...
I don't use any gels or anything, just distilled water.
takes about 7-15 days to root, but the tops of those clones are NOT wilted, which means they are getting water delivered via the stem...
I say wait it out a lil man
----edit---- stupid question
that humidity reading is from OUTSIDE of the dome, right?
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thanx grease i was getting very concerned. yes the reading is from out side the dome however the cloner has nothing on it.
so should I try and up the humdity and temps?
should i be misting the clones under the dome?
ShLUbY said:
something that i find that helps my close a lot is snipping some of the larger leaves in half lengthwise. this slows down transpiration and enables the clone to hold onto more water because there are less stomata open allowing vapor to leave the plant.

also you have some thrip damage it looks like. you should consider some captain jack's dead bug...

another tip i will share is if you use the cloning gel, you should dilute 5-7 drops of the gel into about 1.25 cups of water, and put your cuttings in that cup of water for 24 hrs in a low light area. on the fringe of your veg light is fine. this will maximize the effectiveness and stretch your dollars much farther with the gel. after 24hrs put them right in the aero cloner or rapid rooters, whatever you're using.

i don't like to make the cuttings work hard because they have no roots. so water is scarce in the plant. this is why low light, and a light defoliation to slow transpiration is beneficial to clones imo. let them put their energy to root production.
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dude im so happy you saw that....i noticed a few days ago and forgot. Are you referring to the lines on the leaves? is that thrips?


Thanx everyone for the quick replies and awesome advice. I really appreciate it.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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FamMan said:
I can up the heat with the space heater. Wasnt trying to do that....already got one goin for night time in big room.:wall: I read that the aerocloner humdity comes from inside so the outside is ok and the dome always has condensation built up...If i needed to up the humidity is a humidifier my only option?

thanx grease i was getting very concerned. yes the reading is from out side the dome however the cloner has nothing on it.
so should I try and up the humdity and temps?
should i be misting the clones under the dome?

dude im so happy you saw that....i noticed a few days ago and forgot. Are you referring to the lines on the leaves? is that thrips?


Thanx everyone for the quick replies and awesome advice. I really appreciate it.
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I think you'll be fine man, if the clones aren't uptaking water, they'd be a limp mushy clump.
Just wait it out, i'll bet within 5 days they'll root.
I personally don't use a dome, but I live in a friggin redwood rain forest..so humidity I got..
But with a heater? I'd dome them.
Just spray them once before you dome, and then you are good.
water temps are crucial though, I always run my cloner on top of my heating pad
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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Dont increase heat before you increase rh. A space heater just gunna dry ya out more. Did you angle cut your base. At least 45° ??
I cut up at least halfway up leaves. Doesnt make since but it works. Also a new razor blade. Clean enviroment. Good hormone can help. But not necessary

Airo cloners work well. But mainlu for hydro. I had a hell of a time getting those roots under control to go back into soil. Stick with root riot cubes. They wirk awesome! And when you spray inside your dome just do the sides. A bit on the cubes. Never should have any standing water. Just spray tops sidrs of dome and wait.
 
green_machine_two9er

green_machine_two9er

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FamMan said:
How do increase RH and do i really need to?
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Spray insides of dome once or twice a day. And yes. Im not sure roots will even start until 80% number one most important thing with cloning is enviroment. 80-85 deg. 80-90 rh. Once roots pop. ( shouldn't take more than 3-5 days) than open vent on top of dome and rh can drop back down to more normal ranges. Clones should be ready for transplant by 10-14 days
 
hyroot

hyroot

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First cut the leaf tips off so the clones will put more energy into growing roots


Clones do like humidity but not in a cloner. The water should be around 65 degrees. The ambient temp around 75 degrees. Foliar twice a day.

Make sure to have an air pump and air stones going 24/7. Put the pump on a 15 min timer. Do not use any gel in a cloner.
Just add water and a little silica.


Regular clones in a tray and dome, foliar every other day. And keep warm and humid. Use fresh aloe as a cloning gel. Best there is

Edit:

Also for the cloner. Make sure to take larger more woody cuts.

In a tray / dome smaller more pliable cuts are better.
 
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mmjmon

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tropicalcannabispatient said:
Never thought about cutting leaves in half for less water use? Also like others sed to low rh, u need like 70%- 80%. I did 2 clones 2 weeks ago and they are flowering already, i keep it simple no rooting hormones or gel or anything, i just take the cut and plant them in party cups, i keep them always moist but not damp, high humidity and they always do good, i hope that helps some how!! Good luck!! here are they. no hijacking intentions View attachment 3555197
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nice.... Is that a new way of up-canning?
 
PKHydro

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I keep my room temp up so I don't have to worry about heat mats. And as long as the clones are under domes, and the domes get misted to up the humidity, then your RH in your room doesn't matter.


This is one of the clones I didn't plant from my latest batch. I have just left it in my dome for the last two weeks, with some water in the bottom and she's still crazy healthy. 20151201_165232.jpg
 
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Alienwidow

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PKHydro said:
I keep my room temp up so I don't have to worry about heat mats. And as long as the clones are under domes, and the domes get misted to up the humidity, then your RH in your room doesn't matter.


This is one of the clones I didn't plant from my latest batch. I have just left it in my dome for the last two weeks, with some water in the bottom and she's still crazy healthy. View attachment 3555415
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Ya those are worth ten bucks. Id buy em ;) my clones turned out like shit this run. Howd you get those roots?
 
PKHydro

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Soak some jiffy 7s. Cut big ass clone, score the stem 3-4 times on either side, dip in some rooting powder, stick into jiffy puck. Stick clones under dome vents closed and spray for 2 days morning and night. Open vents on day 3 to allow the jiffys to start to dry out. Once the jiffy puck begins to dry out roots will start searching for water and you'll see them poke out of the odd jiffy in 5-7 days. Once you see some roots close the vents on the dome and begin misting again to get humidity up. Root growth explodes under high humidity.

That clone was among the last 4 to root from my last batch. So I have 4 that have just sat under the dome for the last 2 weeks with the vents closed and the root growth has been crazy. Ive had to add some water from the plants I'm currently vegging when I saw them start to dry up. But they perked right back up.
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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PKHydro said:
Soak some jiffy 7s. Cut big ass clone, score the stem 3-4 times on either side, dip in some rooting powder, stick into jiffy puck. Stick clones under dome vents closed and spray for 2 days morning and night. Open vents on day 3 to allow the jiffys to start to dry out. Once the jiffy puck begins to dry out roots will start searching for water and you'll see them poke out of the odd jiffy in 5-7 days. Once you see some roots close the vents on the dome and begin misting again to get humidity up. Root growth explodes under high humidity.

That clone was among the last 4 to root from my last batch. So I have 4 that have just sat under the dome for the last 2 weeks with the vents closed and the root growth has been crazy. Ive had to add some water from the plants I'm currently vegging when I saw them start to dry up. But they perked right back up.
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Ive used rapid rooter plugs, and rock wool. Ive never seen roots like that before. Those are making me want to try the jiffys.
 
FamMan

FamMan

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I put two 5 gallon buckets of water in there. One in the room near the space heater and one in the tent. I also sprayed the clones under the dome. Hoping this helps.....really need these guys to come through.....well at least half of them. Thanx everyone for the awesome advice i REALLY APPRECIATE IT!
 
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