Please look at this leaf and tell me what you think I could be doing wrong.

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node9ine

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I have groups of plants in 4 clay pots, each group is 4 weeks old. The purpose of these plants is to get them to mate in a giant orgy and create more seeds for me, because I am scared to buy seeds online. On a few of my plants the baby bottom leaves look like this. I foliar fed my plants just once in week 3, I will do this no more as I learned the 1000 watt dual arc can magnify the light and create spots, which I have noted to burn the top leaves closer to the lamp.

The bottom baby leaves are very yellow pale, partially green and spotted. By best guess is that the bottom leaves are not recieving enough light... I may have to fabricate a SCROG...but what else am I maybe missing? Lemme know! thanks in advance. However, the good news is that tops of the plant are in perfect condition, green, healthy, very vibrant.

My setup is this:

1000 watt dual arc hps/mh 12on/12off
miracle grow organic
10 inch clay pot
tap water


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node9ine

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this clay pot started with 9 seedlings in MG starting mix. then transplanted into MG organic with perlite blended in by me.


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5 of 9 plants are females
3 of 9 plants are males
1 of 9 plants was just now removed because it is five-headed retarded lol, so i pulled it out. what a jester!:wall:


here are the pics. please help me diagnose this problem with the failing leaves, for the time being i have added some dolomite lime.... remmember the whole purpose of this project of mine is to produce as many seeds as possible with as much variety and randomness possible. hopefully this will lead to some good bud down the road in my GH aeroflo2 hydroponic garden.
 
Skroatz

Skroatz

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WAY overwatered... since you have 1kW of light there shouldn't be a light problem. No heat issues from what I see. Try keep it simple at first, try not add this, add that. You want to check your soil moisture, make sure its nearly dry before you water. PH'd water, making sure your water is not to hard you could check PPM.. or just leave the water to sit over night before adding nutes/watering...
 
Skroatz

Skroatz

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Also, this might be better suited in the marijuana plant problems section. Try PM a mod to move your thread so you don't double up.
 
Skroatz

Skroatz

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Sorry, missed that too... thanks Jesus, for revealing that un-pure substance :)

I could also be wrong with everything else I stated. lol.
 
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Skroatz said:
WAY overwatered... since you have 1kW of light there shouldn't be a light problem. No heat issues from what I see. Try keep it simple at first, try not add this, add that. You want to check your soil moisture, make sure its nearly dry before you water. PH'd water, making sure your water is not to hard you could check PPM.. or just leave the water to sit over night before adding nutes/watering...
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I let the plants in their four (10 inch) clays pots sit in bathtub, the light hangs from my shower bar (reinforced). however, i had the idea to fill the bathtub 1 inch high with water so i closed the drain plug and put an airstone and pump atop of my toilet. lol. i thought i was gonna do a shortcut hydroponics. no dice i guess! you guys are good! thanks the help!
 
Skroatz

Skroatz

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you mean like a flood and drain system? It would work depending how exactly you did it and how often...
 
Canon

Canon

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Yes way over watered. You're drowning it.
All is not lost.
Go to the pharmacy, Walmart or where ever and get a pint of 3% Peroxide. Next go to a store that has "Sparkling Soda". You want quart.
The thing about drowning a plant is,, you've deprived the roots of oxygen. Now you want to give it a oxygen mask of sorts.

1 gal. container,,,
Pour in the soda water,,,
add 1/3 cup of peroxide,,, DO NOT kill it with kindness by giving more. After a certain percentage it's toxic to plants.
Fill with warm (not too warm) tap water.

Now flush them plants 1 cup at a time. Let the top soil not get muddy. Go slow. You want to get at least a quart into a 1 1/2 gal. pot (if your 5 gal you'll use almost a gallon on a pail)
You'll see some fizzing. That's the oxygen being released by reaction to salts and such (a good side benefit). That oxygen is being injected around the roots as the mix sinks in, dissolving salts, and flushing in fresh nutes (don't add any).
Basicly, life suport. Let the soil dry out for the top inch before watering again. 3-4 days between is generally about right I think.
Your leaves should look happier in under 48 hrs. You could see positive results in a few hrs. too.

Bad looking root.
I would (and do) add 1/4 cup Peroxide per gallon of water everytime I mix. Add mild nutes (N) each watering. and let it dry out inbetween. Them roots look scary. I'd be on the fence about trying to save them or just delare a "Restart". Root are going to take a bit to come back, by then you'd have healthies better than that size from proper watering. But, I hate to admit defeat too. :-P
 
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node9ine

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Skroatz said:
you mean like a flood and drain system? It would work depending how exactly you did it and how often...
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Exactly! I need to learn that definition, that is exactly what I would have called it if I knew better. Ya, I flood, but I never drained. At this point I am going to put all the plants in the sun, so they can just do they're thang. thx
 
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node9ine

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Ok thanks I will try this. Ya the root is only partial, I'm sure there was more left in the soil, but I think the other plants will just consume the dead matter. no?
 
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node9ine

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Canon said:
Yes way over watered. You're drowning it.
All is not lost.
Go to the pharmacy, Walmart or where ever and get a pint of 3% Peroxide. Next go to a store that has "Sparkling Soda". You want quart.
The thing about drowning a plant is,, you've deprived the roots of oxygen. Now you want to give it a oxygen mask of sorts.

1 gal. container,,,
Pour in the soda water,,,
add 1/3 cup of peroxide,,, DO NOT kill it with kindness by giving more. After a certain percentage it's toxic to plants.
Fill with warm (not too warm) tap water.

Now flush them plants 1 cup at a time. Let the top soil not get muddy. Go slow. You want to get at least a quart into a 1 1/2 gal. pot (if your 5 gal you'll use almost a gallon on a pail)
You'll see some fizzing. That's the oxygen being released by reaction to salts and such (a good side benefit). That oxygen is being injected around the roots as the mix sinks in, dissolving salts, and flushing in fresh nutes (don't add any).
Basicly, life suport. Let the soil dry out for the top inch before watering again. 3-4 days between is generally about right I think.
Your leaves should look happier in under 48 hrs. You could see positive results in a few hrs. too.

Bad looking root.
I would (and do) add 1/4 cup Peroxide per gallon of water everytime I mix. Add mild nutes (N) each watering. and let it dry out inbetween. Them roots look scary. I'd be on the fence about trying to save them or just delare a "Restart". Root are going to take a bit to come back, by then you'd have healthies better than that size from proper watering. But, I hate to admit defeat too. :-P
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(DUPLICATE) Ok thanks I will try this. Ya the root is only partial, I'm sure there was more left in the soil, but I think the other plants will just consume the dead matter. no?
 
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node9ine

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node9ine said:
organic has slow release somethings or other which someone here said that means you don't have to feed so much
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i never really grew any real potent herb until i updgraded from dirt to my aeroflow2 system (18hole) from amazon for 400$.

hydroponics and hps/mh are a must from my conclusion, i used two T5s before, but still hps/mh dual arc combo is KING, everything else is jester
 
Ethan Cray

Ethan Cray

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I used that MG organtic soil and it was loaded with Knats. It loaded every plant in the house with them too. I also had issued during flowering with leaves getting Grayish/black spots on them. I just assumed it had to do with the Knats causing damage to the roots.
 
Mother's Finest

Mother's Finest

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You should check your soil pH if you haven't yet. The only actual tool that every soil grower should have is a soil pH meter.

As for watering, if you wait until about the top third of the soil is completely dry before watering again, you'll be fine.

As some have mentioned, Miracle Gro isn't one of the better fertilizers and any soil with MG in it could be better. Some of the best organic fertilizers include Worm Castings, Bone & Blood Meals, Fish Emulsion/Hydrolyzed Fish (5-1-1), Bat & Seabird Guanos, Maxicrop Soluble Seaweed Powder (1-0-4) and Palm Bunch Ash (0-0-30).
 
Mother's Finest

Mother's Finest

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node9ine said:
hydroponics and hps/mh are a must from my conclusion
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Anything that can be grown hydro can be grown just as well in soil, and usually vise versa. Hydro can be done with less vertical space but everything else works just as well in soil. HID's, however, are important for maximum crystal under artificial lighting.
 
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