Poll : Will you vote for legalizing for just the people this time and not business?

Well It's a long road to November 2012 so I wish to keep this cycling up so I can catch as many Californians as possible.

As we all have been debating is another initiative where commerce is in it going to fly?

Will some remade and "sweetened pot" be the right bet to get us to vote again or will we play it safe and keep it simple and focus on one thing first and see how that goes.

Can we pass re-legalization for the people?
What do you think?

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What would your garden look like if Spring 2013 you could watch Cannabis grow legally?

I stand with the people. I cant wait to see what legislative BS they cook up this time.

Ya Know there are no clear Voices even..

There was a Tour for a while but I went on the Squawk about the pay for view debate of prefabricated points of view as a "Bear and Bull" fight as in the olden days of California Gold rush:

And I can find no pulse after that.

I admit I have three days of mail to sift but was the Legalization debate supposed to progress to the Cinema Chains and live video interaction or just be a Cheech and Chong tour?

I don't know but Left and Right of the Cannabis issue needs to pow wow soon.

If that new prop 19 crew is getting all dressed up to dance with Sorros then we all need to crash that party; IMO...

http://nevada-outback-gems.com/gold_rush_tales/california_gold_rush-tale66.htm

I tthink you should be able to grow your own...but the penalties should stay in place for selling.

TheDemocrat said:

I tthink you should be able to grow your own...but the penalties should stay in place for selling.

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I agree.
There is no way really to stop people from barter but the actual package sales needs to be criminal if we are to have legal cannabis since the bigger problem is the drug trade in many a voter's opinion.

Thanks for contributing.

getting rich in the drug trade has been romanticized for years in movies, songs etc and that's part of the reason we are where we are today...folks thinking they can get rich selling drugs.
Glenn Frey said it best...
''No matter if it's heroin, cocaine, or hash,
You've got to carry weapons
Cause you always carry cash.
There's lots of shady characters,
Lots of dirty deals.
Ev'ry name's an alias
In case somebody squeals.
It's the lure of easy money,
It's gotta very strong appeal''

TheDemocrat said:

getting rich in the drug trade has been romanticized for years in movies, songs etc and that's part of the reason we are where we are today...folks thinking they can get rich selling drugs.
Glenn Frey said it best...
''No matter if it's heroin, cocaine, or hash,
You've got to carry weapons
Cause you always carry cash.
There's lots of shady characters,
Lots of dirty deals.
Ev'ry name's an alias
In case somebody squeals.
It's the lure of easy money,
It's gotta very strong appeal''

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It is highly romanced in Mexico and in the USA as well.. It's funny that we created this situation and we always go with the solution that makes it worse.

If I understand the modified Jack Herrer Initiative they will make the case that cannabis should be treated like a manufactured goods. Like Wine.
Effectively removing the ownership of the private citizen and placing all cannabis under the control of Government and Commerce.

I assume this has to do with the many remote vineyards that would also grow cannabis.

What are you seeing on the legalization effort?

It will NEVER be legalized here for any reason...not even medical. my first day in court after be busted I watched them collect nearly $100,000 in fines for simple possession. that's one 6 hour period in one county on one day....can you imagine what they take in state wide?
they are making too much money to legalize it.

are you two even listening to what you're saying? i don't know what planet you've been spending your time on, but it is its illegal nature that has caused the trade to be romanticized and you want to keep up the charade. only by legitimizing sales will the stigma be removed and the hard core criminal element be taken out of the equation. about the only good thing to come out of the sham of medical legalization, aside from allowing the ill access to our happy little weed's medicinal qualities, is that it has been proven sales can be regulated to some extent once those regulations have been codified. i don't like it that our harmless herb is seen as something that needs to be regulated either, but the fact remains that most folks are going to consider it as they would any other intoxicant and demand restrictions. the choice seems clear. we can either leave sales in the shadows, feeding crime and the prison industry or we can legitimize the trade and feed our economy.

@Undertheice

This is probably true but we have failed twice to get voter approval for sales and if you have noticed the retail fight is being fought jurisdiction by jurisdiction.

We need to skip that war this next election cycle and gain some ground for the people.
If we hog tie rights for the people to industrie's fight for profits then we either win all or lose all.
If we break the issues up and fight separate campaigns for each then if one fails the others still have a chance.

All this Pro-Business and Anti-business BS is stupid because at the start and the end of each day we are people of this planet.
Legalize for the people and you save business.
Legalize for the people and they have a choice of peaceful law abiding gardening and horticulture or criminal activity and Don't tell me that just because you *CAN* get a business license that you will be allowed to have a business everywhere in the State of California and don't say that once business is legal there will be no more arrests.. Don't say those things and wonder what Planet I am from.

As I stated before my Obit may be a bit odd but I have a hell of a view.

So Why don't we give the people a choice with cannabis?
Let them grow, use, breed and share in non-commercial ways. All we have now is Medical or Criminal and in our communities many of us find ourselves evicted, fired and under investigation for cannabis when we are peaceful horticulturists and mellow consumers of cannabis.

If we can stop calling ourselves Users, as we did not 2 years ago, we can unite and take that one small step for Citizens and have that giant leap for Cannabis freedom.

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are you two even listening to what you're saying? i don't know what planet you've been spending your time on, but it is its illegal nature that has caused the trade to be romanticized and you want to keep up the charade. only by legitimizing sales will the stigma be removed and the hard core criminal element be taken out of the equation. about the only good thing to come out of the sham of medical legalization, aside from allowing the ill access to our happy little weed's medicinal qualities, is that it has been proven sales can be regulated to some extent once those regulations have been codified. i don't like it that our harmless herb is seen as something that needs to be regulated either, but the fact remains that most folks are going to consider it as they would any other intoxicant and demand restrictions. the choice seems clear. we can either leave sales in the shadows, feeding crime and the prison industry or we can legitimize the trade and feed our economy.

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TheDemocrat said:

It will NEVER be legalized here for any reason...not even medical. my first day in court after be busted I watched them collect nearly $100,000 in fines for simple possession. that's one 6 hour period in one county on one day....can you imagine what they take in state wide?
they are making too much money to legalize it.

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I can imagine it.. I figure our basic fault is that our Country fails to require a reserve of public wealth and instead hands the public wealth over to a small percentage of people as private wealth.
All our budget and social problems come from this basic flaw in the American system.
We should be flush with cash but we are deep in debt because of private wealth and the constant need to expand the money supply and borrow everything.

We talk budget cuts and lowering taxes for the rich and corporations as the solution for draining public wealth into the hands of a few.
Like I said we always pick the solution that makes things worse.

I think it is safe to connect the dots with the new fine for possession ticket as the collapse of that money machine and the construction of a more efficient income system.
I hope that a permit system will generate even more and also reduce demand for court resources.

Do you see a permits system? Oh and on the legalizing it never.. We get to decide that with the Initiative system.. Best thing California ever fought for an got.

Now before all you Business before liberty people get too riled up the Context of opposing packet sales is in context of what rights and responsibilities the Private non-commercial citizen will have.

I still want to see any punishment be a fine and suspension of permit rather than jail and a criminal conviction.
if you are found to be growing 24/7 and you cannot show where that produce is for a years worth of growing you just might have a legal problem with the law.

hopefully once anyone and everyone can grow cannabis green there will less dollar green activity.

Just share with everyone.. Like it used to be. You have 100 apples you let your brother have a few.. It's okay because it grows out of the ground and is in essence free for you.

Can you Americans please force the UK to jump on to your wonderful new, hazy, hazy, dream boat of relaxed smoke laws?

HOW DID YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN?!

Or is it that your government just couldn't resist thinking of the revenues from pot?

The laws only get tougher here.

Sorry to detract from your thread's point.

VOTE YES FOR YOUR SMOKEY RIGHTS, USA

Peace

goozeberry yum yum said:

Can you Americans please force the UK to jump on to your wonderful new, hazy, hazy, dream boat of relaxed smoke laws?

HOW DID YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN?!

Or is it that your government just couldn't resist thinking of the revenues from pot?

The laws only get tougher here.

Sorry to detract from your thread's point.

VOTE YES FOR YOUR SMOKEY RIGHTS, USA

Peace

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The federal government has had nothing to do with decriminalization. It's been the states (15 currently I believe) which have "legalized" it for medicinal purposes. It seems pretty simple..........it's anything but. The conflicting state and federal laws have created a whole boatload of other problems. The federal government does not recognize the states rights on this matter. Under U.S. federal law, cannabis is currently a Schedule I narcotic, meaning it has no currently accepted medical value and a high potential for abuse/addiction. This is the same class that heroin and LSD, and MDMA fall under. Cocaine is Schedule II. The federal laws are simple regarding cannabis; it's illegal, period!

Yes.. And the only way to change that is with a majority of States becoming Free States.

Oh we are in for a long struggle and I may not live to see the day it is Legal in the USA.

However we must consider the political power of Legalized in California.

Will other states adopt some form of private cannabis liberty if our legalizing for the Citizen in California works?

You see we can fight about businesses rights as cannabis reform and we will keep shooting ourselves in the foot or we can fight for the people and regroup after that.

Is there interest in a group effort to draft an Initiative?

I have a site that is my Zen-Site that we can use..

Maybe we are the only people who have the winning idea.

<Bump> Some are unsure so I am bumping this up.

Voted for it last time and I will again. I'm of the feeling that it's ok if it's not a perfect bill, it will be changed over time.

Shadeslay said:

Voted for it last time and I will again. I'm of the feeling that it's ok if it's not a perfect bill, it will be changed over time.

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Thank you for posting.

Hopefully we have something to vote for that will pass.

2 times California has voted down Commerce so a third Commerce attempt could fail as well. That would mean those in business stay in business and those who are busted still are busted if it fails.

But like you I held my nose and voted yes last time.