Poor harvest results

GameGreen84

GameGreen84

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For starters I have a 400 watt hps in a walk in closet with a small fan, Temps usually run normal sometimes up to 85 highest, using happy frog soil/general organics nutes grow-bloom-cal mag, growing guerrila glue #4 and some bag seed I got. My problem is I just stepped up to 5 gal pots from 2 gal and I'm still getting the same results and with longer veg times then before? Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I'mBatman

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GameGreen84 said:
For starters I have a 400 watt hps in a walk in closet with a small fan, Temps usually run normal sometimes up to 85 highest, im using happy frog soil/general organics nutes grow-bloom-cal mag I'm growing guerrila glue #4 and some bag seed I got. My problem is I just stepped up to 5 gal pots from 2 gal and I'm still getting the same results and with longer veg times then before? Any help would be appreciated.
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Have you got any pics, the people on this site know what they're doing and will gladly help.
 
GreenLogician

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Can you think of anything else different?
For example is it now summer when before it was winter, and you weren't pushing 85 degrees before?
 
Stiickygreen

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Simply put....going to larger pots and bigger plants >with the same wattage< light doesn't mean you will yield more. As you found out...you veg more...and you make more smaller buds all up the stem but overall it doesn't transpose to more weight.

The reason for this is because a 400 watt light only penetrates so far into the canopy. IMO, you will do far better to keep em smaller and do a SOG or SCROG type grow and shoot for a flat canopy rather than growing out taller plants. Save the taller plants/larger plants for the 1000 watters/multiple light situations. Good luck..
 
GameGreen84

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Stiickygreen said:
Simply put....going to larger pots and bigger plants >with the same wattage< light doesn't mean you will yield more. As you found out...you veg more...and you make more smaller buds all up the stem but overall it doesn't transpose to more weight.

The reason for this is because a 400 watt light only penetrates so far into the canopy. IMO, you will do far better to keep em smaller and do a SOG or SCROG type grow and shoot for a flat canopy rather than growing out taller plants. Save the taller plants/larger plants for the 1000 watters/multiple light situations. Good luck..
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Thanks for your help man really appreciate it, I will have to go with smaller plants next grow
 
Stiickygreen

Stiickygreen

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If your temps are lower in winter...try adding a light and see where things go then. More light will make more buds if the temps are in check/etc. Good luck
 
Stiickygreen

Stiickygreen

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I would think 2's would suffice. Cram them in there for SOG....and flower the plants earlier. Do less plants and spend time building a canopy if you SCROG. I think your yields will go up with either method and you can run your cycles a bit faster due to the lack of extensive veg time. It's all a learning curve. Glean the good and forget the rest and apply what you learn to your next grow.

In the end, 400 watts isn't a ton of light. The key is to respect and use what you have as it should be used...in this case...for smaller plants. Going larger is a waste of time with too little light.

again...best of luck
 
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coreywebster

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Some things to consider
Is your Ph in the right range?
Are you over watering or under watering , Too often or not often enough?
Are you using too much fert?
Are you allowing for run off.
When you pot up are you allowing time for roots to fill out?
Are you trying to light up to big of an area with too little light?
Do your plants look heathy from start to harvest?

Different training techniques are great for increasing yields but if the basics of growing are neglected they wont help much.

In a soil which has nutrients in its easy for a novice to add more feed when its not needed. It can complicate the whole process and leave you with unhappy over ferted plants that wont thrive nor yield well.
I would be tempted to try coco, although it comes with some known issues, at least you know what your plant is been fed all the way through.
 
chemphlegm

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above is hydro technaflora kit and was my first real indoor success. I set it and forget it, followed directions and voila.
grow bible went a long way towards my pleasures
 
GameGreen84

GameGreen84

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coreywebster said:
Some things to consider
Is your Ph in the right range?
Are you over watering or under watering , Too often or not often enough?
Are you using too much fert?
Are you allowing for run off.
When you pot up are you allowing time for roots to fill out?
Are you trying to light up to big of an area with too little light?
Do your plants look heathy from start to harvest?

Different training techniques are great for increasing yields but if the basics of growing are neglected they wont help much.

In a soil which has nutrients in its easy for a novice to add more feed when its not needed. It can complicate the whole process and leave you with unhappy over ferted plants that wont thrive nor yield well.
I would be tempted to try coco, although it comes with some known issues, at least you know what your plant is been fed all the way through.
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I have a ph tester I've been using I usually try to keep it between 5.5-6.5 when watering and feeding and i only nute once a week sometimes less and I always go less on the recommend dose of nutes. I will be doing a SOG my next grow to see if the harvest results are better I've heard some ppl are pulling around 6-8 oz with the same light I have so I must be doing something wrong..thanks for all your help
 
coreywebster

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GameGreen84 said:
I have a ph tester I've been using I usually try to keep it between 5.5-6.5 when watering and feeding and i only nute once a week sometimes less and I always go less on the recommend dose of nutes. I will be doing a SOG my next grow to see if the harvest results are better I've heard some ppl are pulling around 6-8 oz with the same light I have so I must be doing something wrong..thanks for all your help
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Cool, well good luck, be sure to post photos on here as you go, that way we can all see if there are issues to sort out and pin point your problem.
Yeah, 8oz should be bottom line, more like 12oz.
Best of luck on the next run.:bigjoint:
 
chemphlegm

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GameGreen84 said:
1)when watering and feeding and i only nute once a week
2)sometimes less
3)and I always go less on the recommend dose of nutes. so I must be doing something wrong../QUOTE]
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only nute once a week?
sometimes less?
and less than rec dose?

not surprised you have less than desirable results

I'd try following the instructions the next time, skip precharged soils and see how that helps you.
otherwise you may begin to think things like that nutrient line sucks, or my brand soil sucks, or that strain sucks, or light,
or it needs more cal mag:P
 
GameGreen84

GameGreen84

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chemphlegm said:
only nute once a week?
sometimes less?
and less than rec dose?

not surprised you have less than desirable results

I'd try following the instructions the next time, skip precharged soils and see how that helps you.
otherwise you may begin to think things like that nutrient line sucks, or my brand soil sucks, or that strain sucks, or light,
or it needs more cal mag:P
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Well here's the thing I was giving more nutes before to the same strains and I was getting yellow leaf tips, I know this is a sign of nute burn so ever since then I have backed off on giving so much nutes, I've been growing for a few years now don't consider myself a novice but also know I'm no expert I tend to still make mistakes, but I have been listening to everybody's feedback. Thank you
 
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