Possible multi issue on plant

1) PICTURE OF PLANT *** VERY IMPORTANT ***

Sharksbreath (clone)

2) Growing indoor or outdoors

Indoors under an 8bulb T5 fluorescent, roughly 6" from canopy (have a fan moving air around, plus the main fan that is controlled by a enviro-control. There is also a dehumidifier in the area).

3) Watering schedule

Every 3 days roughly (usually water when top soil is dry down about an inch)

4) Growing Medium

Organic amended soil (same formula as "Inthegardens" easy organic for beginners, thread at Grasscity (would link but not sure if that's okay here).

5) What stage of growth

Just received this as a clone a few weeks back. Put it into this pot with amended soil. I've top'd it otherwise it'd have a tall middle with supporting/flanking branches.


Thoughts and other info:

Max temps per my controller says 81f, on average though it's roughly 73-75f, humidity says 45% right now).

Soil was put together (mixed) earlier this year and watered once but then I forgot to water it again so that it'd continue to cook. Not sure how long that has to happen but that might be part of the issue. I have another clone (GSC) from the same source that is outside and doing AWESOME in the same soil and showing no signs of any burn.

Still have a few fungus gnats floating around. Doesn't seem to matter what I do they somehow survive. If not in the soil then in the run-off tray. I keep sticky paper there to keep capturing them. Pesky!

Water I use is RO, Ozonated, etc. then PH'd to roughly 6.5, added 1tsp epsom salt 1 tbls unsulphured molasses to add back cal-mag, per gallon.

Thought I had a little powdery mildew a week or so ago and sprayed with milk and potassium bicarb (as I did have an issue with an earlier plant since flowered and done) but in the same place (even though I cleaned between plants).

Any thought on whether the cloned roots should be put into less amended soil until they get bigger or would this be a non issue?

As I see the tips showing some nute burn I just flushed this morning. Any other thoughts/suggestions? Any help/feedback appreciated.

looks burnt, soils too hot is my best guess.

MightyMike530 said:

looks burnt, soils too hot is my best guess.

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I agree with this. You have leaves "clawing" which is the earliest sign of N toxicity. The leaf fringes and tips are burnt so you have way too much fertiliser in your medium

So alright, the solution then, make new dirt or transplant into dirt that is less amended - maybe mix the two? What is the easiest fix?

I also wonder why the outside plant has zero signs of burn? Maybe because the sun and outside conditions has caused it to just take off and it's actually able to use up nutes better/faster?

Is the outside plant the same genetics, sharksbreath? If it is I'd guess the same as you, it likes the outdoors.

I agree with toxicity, though clawing can be genotypical, my Skunks claw no matter what. Plants react differently to different environments (phenotyping), so the stain may just prefer outdoor growing.

Get_Down said:

So alright, the solution then? Make new dirt/transplant into dirt that is less amended? Is there a way to fix what I have?

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Bud Tipps said:

Is the outside plant the same genetics, sharksbreath? If it is I'd guess the same as you, it likes the outdoors.

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The outside is a Girl Scout. It's about 2' tall in the last couple months from being a baby clone. No signs of N tox. Fat and happy growth. Just wondering that perhaps, though I am using the same soil, because it's gotten real sun vs inside "controlled" conditions, it's been able to just really take off and grow using up what's in the soil better than the inside plant.

So on the inside plant ... anyone know if re-potting and mixing in unamended dirt will "dilute" down the hot dirt, if I shake the roots up a bit? =)

You can do that, it might shock it for several days but it should work. I would leave it if it were mine, it's only a small amount of burn.

Bud Tipps said:

You can do that, it might shock it for several days but it should work. I would leave it if it were mine, it's only a small amount of burn.

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Yeah, do you think over the course of watering / flushing during veg that a) the plant would not be stunted by this NTox and that b) the N will go from it's hotter condition to more normal? Wondering if maybe there is some sort of supplement that could assist with speeding up the cooking so that the N evens out a little.

It might clear up on it's own as it grows and wants more nutes. The girl scout could have a higher nutrient demand. Some strains feed more than others.

I doubt the extra N will stunt it, it looks pretty healthy. I don't know of any supplement that would help with extra N.

Bud Tipps said:

It might clear up on it's own as it grows and wants more nutes. The girl scout could have a higher nutrient demand. Some strains feed more than others.

I doubt the extra N will stunt it, it looks pretty healthy. I don't know of any supplement that would help with extra N.

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Right on, thanks for the input!

Oh one last thing. I have a bit of this soil left sitting in potting containers, garbage cans, etc. Do you think just watering it would handle the N or should I dilute the whole thing down a bit with more fill, ie a high quality but unamended topsoil?

I'd dilute it with fill if you are using it indoors.

Flush soil with phd water. 3 x amount held in pot. Leave 24 hours and then gradually introduce nutes. 1/8 then 1/4 etc. use a flushing agent like florakleen to remove salt build up. Then you should be good.

oilmaker68 said:

Flush soil with phd water. 3 x amount held in pot. Leave 24 hours and then gradually introduce nutes. 1/8 then 1/4 etc. use a flushing agent like florakleen to remove salt build up. Then you should be good.

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That's Jorge Cervantes advice from his horticulture bible.

oilmaker68 said:

That's Jorge Cervantes advice from his horticulture bible.

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Of which I have, but being a newer grower, there is so much to learn. It's fun though. Thanks

Bud Tipps said:

I'd dilute it with fill if you are using it indoors.

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Perfect, thanks

Wrong, wrong, wrong!
You experts need to take a close look at the first picture.
Look close, see where the damaged leaves are?
Now look at the new growth on the other pictures.

You do have the N as little high, BUT, not so it needs to be adjusted. It will be fine. Ignore that!!
The real problem was a BRIEF period of pH imbalance that caused a small and short lived lock out !
This came from when you did not "cook" the soil long enough to get the living bio's in the soil established well enough!
The soil and the Bio's quickly recovered and the plant began to thrive (It looks good to me for a first time homemade water only soil grow). THAT is why the new growth does NOT show the problem as continuing!!!!

You do not have to dilute the soil you made. Simply recook it from when you stopped watering and add a week to that. It will be fine and shouild be better tempered out in the N area too.

NEVER, EVER "flush" an organic water only soil grow! You will only cause MORE problems down the road!
Any flushing agent only flush's money from your wallet!!!

Jorge and oilmaker have their heads halfway up,,,,,well, in the sand.

Get_Down said:

Of which I have, but being a newer grower, there is so much to learn. It's fun though. Thanks

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There is loads to learn mate but only learn by trying. Over and over lol