Potentially getting hired as Head Grower for small legal micro-grow. Need advice/clarification on some stuff.

skitownsnucka said:

but yea, if you're allowed to stack licenses like you are here in the midwest, it makes sense to just cram 20 plants into a 4x8. You save money on not having to train branches. That shit's labor intensive.

What are you guys doing? Outdoor? Indoor facility? Hugo rockwools with floraflex? or similar?

Click to expand...

we have 1 license. In washington LCB govern canopy not plant count, so all your space can count and you can double it for free if you need to

right now, due to loses, we are planning on 12 plants a light, 2 lights 4 X 8..ffs im fucked

indoor LED, greenplanet nutrients

rockwool-101-> 4"delta-> unislab

hand feeding today but automated irrigation soon... trolmaster's monitoring environments

we've done a lot in a few months athough i wish i had happened faster

Samwell Seed Well said:

we have 1 license. In washington LCB govern canopy not plant count, so all your space can count and you can double it for free if you need to

right now, due to loses, we are planning on 12 plants a light, 2 lights 4 X 8..ffs im fucked

indoor LED, greenplanet nutrients

rockwool-101-> 4"delta-> unislab

hand feeding today but automated irrigation soon... trolmaster's monitoring environments

we've done a lot in a few months athough i wish i had happened faster

Click to expand...

hell ya! Governing by canopy or size of facility just makes more sense to me. Here they use the METRC system and monitor counts. Shits so stupid.

J232 said:

@Buddernugs, you know this guy??

Click to expand...

Ya, he’s the truth

J232 said:

Clueless like usual, not that anything you say matters anyways.

Click to expand...

That’s why your boy bk78 got banned…….for being a fucking troll……keep it up

Buddernugs said:

That’s why your boy bk78 got banned…….for being a fucking troll……keep it up

Click to expand...

How else will they poison the well with their toxic BS(bro science)

I don't even think a master grower whatever that is, is needed to grow a plant like cannabis. People running commercial operations are starting to realize they don't need to pay as much as they did back when things were ramping up in the early days of legalization. There are more people that are good at growing weed than jobs available.

It's now just another agricultural crop that doesn't require high paid "Experts" to grow successfully. Traversing the business side, design, planning, etc... is more complicated than growing the actual plant.

xtsho said:

I don't even think a master grower whatever that is, is needed to grow a plant like cannabis. People running commercial operations are starting to realize they don't need to pay as much as they did back when things were ramping up in the early days of legalization. There are more people that are good at growing weed than jobs available.

It's now just another agricultural crop that doesn't require high paid "Experts" to grow successfully. Traversing the business side, design, planning, etc... is more complicated than growing the actual plant.

Click to expand...

100% true. You don't need a fucking phd in plant sciences to successfully grow weed for a business to become profitable, but you do need a lot of experience to navigate the problems that arise.

skitownsnucka said:

100% true. You don't need a fucking phd in plant sciences to successfully grow weed for a business to become profitable, but you do need a lot of experience to navigate the problems that arise.

Click to expand...

Growing cannabis is not that complicated. Growing at scale presents challenges that are not going to occur with a small hobby grower but an intelligent hobby grower should be able to deal with any challenges that arise on a larger scale.

Having said that, I did acquire my Master Grower certification just for bragging rights. I aced the final test with 100%

Could it be any more obvious that with 50 states and 50 sets of rules and laws that the system is setup to milk the profit from the industry while its still viewed as more than a commodity?

If you think about it the price pressure is 2 sided...the supply keeps lowering the price and the rules and laws in place decide how the wealthy will take the profits before they are gone.

Assume the final state of things is cannabis can be shipped across the country like anything else that isnt hazardous. The Cookie Farm keeps their own genetics and sells the cannabis and extracts ONLY. No more access to genetics ala Monsanto.

To get there will take many years and each state has either setup the grift or havent yet found the right formula to convince the rich they can make enough yet. (see Canada thread)

More quality supply = lower prices as we see over and over

So it is only a matter of time before the market sets its own prices (see Washington) and those prices will be so low nobody will think of cannabis as anything special. The motivation to grow killer will fade as it already has (not entirely, but you tell me about all that killer bud IN THE STORES loL yeah right).

Xtsho imo is close to prophetic in realizing Oregon and Washington are the future, and perhaps even less profit and opportunity than that.

The only value I see in the future are proprietary genetics held and sold only as a final product.

So the market I envision is 98% mediocre average like what a cigarette is to tobacco...there will be a premium market but not like now. More like $50 ounces and $75 ounces. I cannot see $200 $300 $400 existing in the future state of the industry. It will pay more than corn, but maybe not when the cost of inputs is considered.

xtsho said:

Growing cannabis is not that complicated. Growing at scale presents challenges that are not going to occur with a small hobby grower but an intelligent hobby grower should be able to deal with any challenges that arise on a larger scale.

Having said that, I did acquire my Master Grower certification just for bragging rights. I aced the final test with 100%

Click to expand...

Yaaaaaa……..that’s right daddy………flex that big dick………hoooooooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The “ corporate“ market is a fixed racket anyways it’s sole purpose is designed to line pockets who are in the good boys club and only the good boys club everyone else does 10 times the amount of work for half the money…….. we need to start treating these motherfuckers like red coats in 1776

xtsho said:

Growing cannabis is not that complicated. Growing at scale presents challenges that are not going to occur with a small hobby grower but an intelligent hobby grower should be able to deal with any challenges that arise on a larger scale.

Having said that, I did acquire my Master Grower certification just for bragging rights. I aced the final test with 100%

Click to expand...

I wasn’t being condescending that was my fucked up way of giving him props……….. why am I like this

Buddernugs said:

I wasn’t being condescending that was my fucked up way of giving him props……….. why am I like this

Click to expand...

Read the room

xtsho said:

Growing cannabis is not that complicated. Growing at scale presents challenges that are not going to occur with a small hobby grower but an intelligent hobby grower should be able to deal with any challenges that arise on a larger scale.

Having said that, I did acquire my Master Grower certification just for bragging rights. I aced the final test with 100%

Click to expand...

MIchael Cannabis was in my fraternity at Humboldt University

Certified organic protection from pests and powdery mildew....My favorite cannabis products, and if you have ever had powdery mildew, you know you don't want it again!! It's probably a growers worse nightmare, IMO.

ComfortCreator said:

Could it be any more obvious that with 50 states and 50 sets of rules and laws that the system is setup to milk the profit from the industry while its still viewed as more than a commodity?

If you think about it the price pressure is 2 sided...the supply keeps lowering the price and the rules and laws in place decide how the wealthy will take the profits before they are gone.

Assume the final state of things is cannabis can be shipped across the country like anything else that isnt hazardous. The Cookie Farm keeps their own genetics and sells the cannabis and extracts ONLY. No more access to genetics ala Monsanto.

To get there will take many years and each state has either setup the grift or havent yet found the right formula to convince the rich they can make enough yet. (see Canada thread)

More quality supply = lower prices as we see over and over

So it is only a matter of time before the market sets its own prices (see Washington) and those prices will be so low nobody will think of cannabis as anything special. The motivation to grow killer will fade as it already has (not entirely, but you tell me about all that killer bud IN THE STORES loL yeah right).

Xtsho imo is close to prophetic in realizing Oregon and Washington are the future, and perhaps even less profit and opportunity than that.

The only value I see in the future are proprietary genetics held and sold only as a final product.

So the market I envision is 98% mediocre average like what a cigarette is to tobacco...there will be a premium market but not like now. More like $50 ounces and $75 ounces. I cannot see $200 $300 $400 existing in the future state of the industry. It will pay more than corn, but maybe not when the cost of inputs is considered.

Click to expand...

I'd like to think of myself as a prophet.

Seriously though. It's really not that difficult to see where the industry is going. Many get caught in some online echo chamber about how there is always going to be a market for "Top Shelf" cannabis and the only people that can grow it are some online guru's. There may be a market for "Top Shelf" but the price is definitely going to go down regardless of quality. Most people are going to pay $50 for an oz of good weed instead of paying $200 for some "Top Shelf".

Outside of the cannabis forums which is a very small percentage of cannabis users most are going to be completely satisfied with just good weed and will never pay premium prices for something better but not better enough to justify the price.

I've been saying this for a long time. Many don't agree with me and stay hung up on this "Top Shelf" argument. The average consumer just wants to get high. Most people don't have the tolerance levels people on the forums have and don't want some 28% high octane, can't do anything for the rest of the day weed.

I know quite a few people that get their weed from dispensaries and they're all happy as clams with the choices and prices available.

Too many get hung up on the "Top Shelf" argument failing to realize that most consumers out there don't give a damn and are not going to pay double or triple the price when they don't have to.

There is always going to be those that will pay a premium but most are not. It's like buying vegetables at the grocery store. They usually have a small organic section but most are buying the regular produce because it's half the price and the produce in the organic section is old, rotting, and not selling because most people are paying the 0.59¢ a pound for carrots instead of $2.99 for a single bunch of 6 organic carrots with the tops still attached. I've purchased both but now I only purchase the 0.59¢ carrots because the extra cost of the organic just isn't worth it to me. I think most cannabis users are the same.

Opportunity in ur lap Op! Fake it till ya make it! GL

manfredo said:

Certified organic protection from pests and powdery mildew....My favorite cannabis products, and if you have ever had powdery mildew, you know you don't want it again!! It's probably a growers worse nightmare, IMO.

Cannabis pest control, mites, aphids, thrips, powdery mildew

Manage mites, powdery mildew, thrips, aphids and more with Regalia CG, Regalia MAXX, Venerate CG, Grandevo CG for Cannabis, Hemp, Marijuana where legal

marronebio.com

Click to expand...

One thowie %. Hate PM. Definitely the worst. This will probably be one of the only things i spray on them. Developed by MSU too!

manfredo said:

Certified organic protection from pests and powdery mildew....My favorite cannabis products, and if you have ever had powdery mildew, you know you don't want it again!! It's probably a growers worse nightmare, IMO.

Cannabis pest control, mites, aphids, thrips, powdery mildew

Manage mites, powdery mildew, thrips, aphids and more with Regalia CG, Regalia MAXX, Venerate CG, Grandevo CG for Cannabis, Hemp, Marijuana where legal

marronebio.com

Click to expand...

Bio Marrone and certis, bio works make some great products

Don't drench with MAXX