Potpimp's White Widow Grow.

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OK, I couldn't leave those empty neoprene things in the cloner; they just looked too lonely - so I filled the rest of them up. Now I have 15 clones - if they survive. I did what 420 suggested and took the bottom clones, snipped off just below the lowest node and scraped it gently about 1/4", dipped it in RooTech, put it in the neoprene collar and stuck it in the cloner. I didn't intend on cloning one of the plants but hey, you never know exactly how something's going to turn out - so I cloned it too. It was the runt of the bunch but that might turn out to be a very good thing. It's half the height of the tallest one and if it produces anywhere near as much bud as the big ones, that one will become my new most favorite plant. Funny thing is the lowest branches on that little plant are about an inch from the neoprene and are huge. They are by far the thickest of any of my clones. I still have about 4 or 5 I could take from it and I will if there are dying ones in the cloner in the morning. I'm not babying these little bitches; they can survive or die and I'll uncerimoniously toss 'em out. Only the strong survive.

My plants are almost 100% back to normal after this mornings fiasco of running out of water in the rez. I have one broken branch and three of them still have drooping tops but the rest of the plant looks fine. If I have to top them 5" down I will. ...wonder what that would do?
 
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cruzer101

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potpimp said:
OK, I couldn't leave those empty neoprene things in the cloner; they just looked too lonely - so I filled the rest of them up. Now I have 15 clones - if they survive. I did what 420 suggested and took the bottom clones, snipped off just below the lowest node and scraped it gently about 1/4", dipped it in RooTech, put it in the neoprene collar and stuck it in the cloner. I didn't intend on cloning one of the plants but hey, you never know exactly how something's going to turn out - so I cloned it too. It was the runt of the bunch but that might turn out to be a very good thing. It's half the height of the tallest one and if it produces anywhere near as much bud as the big ones, that one will become my new most favorite plant. Funny thing is the lowest branches on that little plant are about an inch from the neoprene and are huge. They are by far the thickest of any of my clones. I still have about 4 or 5 I could take from it and I will if there are dying ones in the cloner in the morning. I'm not babying these little bitches; they can survive or die and I'll uncerimoniously toss 'em out. Only the strong survive.

My plants are almost 100% back to normal after this mornings fiasco of running out of water in the rez. I have one broken branch and three of them still have drooping tops but the rest of the plant looks fine. If I have to top them 5" down I will. ...wonder what that would do?
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Hey Pimp,

Yea new equipment is a fun learning experience. Sometimes its a pain in the ass but once you get her dialed in, Man thats sweet.

Ya know, I saw your pic of the clones and what went through my head was " what monsters" I dont know about everyone else but I know I get better results cloning with smaller cuttings taken from the first set. I trim the tips of the leaves off, well about half the leaf then keep them warm.
With smaller cuttings, trimming the leafs back and keeping the mist at about 80 degrees and the plants at 75 I am sure you will hit 100% in no time. Maybe an aquarium submersible heater in the res.

Just my 2 cents
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cruzer101

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Oh yea,

I had a female that was about 36 inches tall and got about 10" broken off the top so I cut it clean. Well that plant exploded I mean I got about 30% more branches and budsites. I had to veg her for a couple weeks more but that was my experience. I dont think 5" will be a problem.
 
potpimp

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Well another cluster fock this morning: one more male discovered - and I had 5 clones taken from him. And there is one more (the small one) that is developing a little nutsack in the 8th node - only took one clone from that one. I'll wait another couple of days to yank that one just to make sure. If that one is a male too, it will only leave me with 3 plants. My best girls have a few more very small branches that I could take; I'll just toss them out anyway if I don't take them as clones so no harm done. These would be very tiny little clones. With everybody (except you) saying we need to take 5-10mm clones... wouldn't the damn stalk be like an inch thick to take clones that thick? And why would you have a mom with a 1" stalk still in veg? I guess they are expecting everyone to have dedicated moms. Oh well, another friggin' lesson learned. I yanked the second male this morning and if the suspect one is male - and I'm almost 100% sure it is - that will be 50% of the viable seeds. I can't complain about the odds though; last year I scored 100% females from my Nirvana big bud and nearly 100% from my Peak Seeds blueberry. That's going to really give me a slow start for my perpetual grow. I'm thinking about germing and starting my hindu kush seeds but I really didn't want to grow them right now. I've also got a couple of hundred Maui Waui seeds that a friend of mine from HI sent me. He was the biggest grower in the state for 10 years. When I asked him about getting me some MW seeds, it was then that he told me his story about being the biggest grower in HI. He told me he knew exactly what I was looking for - not just "any" seeds, but ones from the best genetics. He sent me about 300 seeds!!! I tried germing about 30 of them so far and not a one of them popped. I think maybe they were fresh seeds and need to be stored for a year before using. Anyway, I digress. I was thinking about planting those babies outdoors - all over. That would be a hoot.
 
Hand Banana

Hand Banana

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potpimp said:
Well another cluster fock this morning: one more male discovered - and I had 5 clones taken from him. And there is one more (the small one) that is developing a little nutsack in the 8th node - only took one clone from that one. I'll wait another couple of days to yank that one just to make sure. If that one is a male too, it will only leave me with 3 plants. My best girls have a few more very small branches that I could take; I'll just toss them out anyway if I don't take them as clones so no harm done. These would be very tiny little clones. With everybody (except you) saying we need to take 5-10mm clones... wouldn't the damn stalk be like an inch thick to take clones that thick? And why would you have a mom with a 1" stalk still in veg? I guess they are expecting everyone to have dedicated moms. Oh well, another friggin' lesson learned. I yanked the second male this morning and if the suspect one is male - and I'm almost 100% sure it is - that will be 50% of the viable seeds. I can't complain about the odds though; last year I scored 100% females from my Nirvana big bud and nearly 100% from my Peak Seeds blueberry. That's going to really give me a slow start for my perpetual grow. I'm thinking about germing and starting my hindu kush seeds but I really didn't want to grow them right now. I've also got a couple of hundred Maui Waui seeds that a friend of mine from HI sent me. He was the biggest grower in the state for 10 years. When I asked him about getting me some MW seeds, it was then that he told me his story about being the biggest grower in HI. He told me he knew exactly what I was looking for - not just "any" seeds, but ones from the best genetics. He sent me about 300 seeds!!! I tried germing about 30 of them so far and not a one of them popped. I think maybe they were fresh seeds and need to be stored for a year before using. Anyway, I digress. I was thinking about planting those babies outdoors - all over. That would be a hoot.
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Sorry to hear about the males man, I feel your pain!! Just read your journal from beginning to end, I'm fascinated by LEDs, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the bud growth is like under LEDs? Do you know if it's comparable to CFLs?
 
potpimp

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Hand Banana said:
Do you know if it's comparable to CFLs?
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It's not really a fair comparison. The LED's give the plants *exactly* the right spectral light without all the other wasted light. It's not a matter or lumens; it's a matter of what specific wavelength of light a plant responds to in a particular stage of their life. During veg, plants thrive and respond most to the blue spectrum (450ish nm) and during flowering they thrive and respond to the red spectrum (650ish nm). You can buy LED's that only give this particular wavelength, and a 45w LED putting out 100% of it's energy in this way is more effective than a 400w HPS that uses a shotgun effect, blasting out nearly every wavelength of the spectrum. Not only is it wasteful and ineffective, it only takes one time for your plants to grow up into an HPS light and get fried before you can fully appreciate the beauty of (90 degrees F) LED's. Not to mention the fact that a 45w uses roughly 1/10th the power of a 400w. I know I'm going on about HPS but the same applies to CFL's too; they are nice lights and I have 4 65w multi-spectrum ones but they too are very hot to the touch and use most of their energy on wavelengths that the plant can't even use. Just because it's "bright" doesn't mean the plant is able to fully utilize it, whether it is from HPS or from CFL's.

I shuffled one of my plants to the other end so they can all have full light now. This system is great for doing that.
 
bobbyboy34

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lumens play a part during Flowering, it looks as if during Veg they need low lumens and exact wavelength...

are you using 50w led panels or what, im sorry i would go forward a search but im too lazy to do that, i'd rather give you the chance to respond and increase you post number, lmao

also, where did u get those from, im thinking of getting Four 50w all blue LED panles from HTG supply to go with my 4 2" HO FLOs.......remember everyone, LED panels are considered boosters, you still need a Flo, the plants still need SOME lumens for ENERGY
 
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DaGambler

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i dont' know what the deal is whith those 300 seeds you got... i'd try germinating them in different ways... if you still get nothing it isn't because they are fresh its because they have been accidentally sterilized from be overheated somehow.

my biggest concern for the thread was clone pics i saw... i don't know that your actual length on some of those was... but it looked like some approached 8" or longer! i'd say keep your clones to around 4" (5" max)... it leaves less length of moisture and nutrients to have to travel before getting to the leaves. They were also bent over right away. They should be standing up. Anytime a clone does fall over, you should be 'staking' it back upright, supporting it with a twist tie inserted into the medium and with a 'half halo' at the other end to support the plant.

it seems that, with these higher wattage leds, leds are about to the point of being usefull during clone and vegetative growth. i think you have the right idea in trying to keep a low plant profile... which is why i'm kinda surprised you havn't topped your plants yet.

i remember reading a post by a guy supposable in the LED industry somehow... he said they were working on a LED NET... like a spiderweb that you can just 'cast over' your plants. A 6' by 6' web would be great on a 3' tall flowering plant. Until someone makes one of these... i'm not sure how good LEDS are for flowering, so i'll be paying close attention to your grow.

Hopefully LEDS will continue to go down in price. Where's all the damn cheap chinese labor and technology when you need it ?!

Good luck man :D

(EDIT) i've also had a plant (seedling) put up the 'primordial' leaves before and then have no other leaves to put forth... some times they are just retarded. No offense to all the retarded growers out there! :D
 
420 4 fun

420 4 fun

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Dude!!!

It would be much appreciated if you could post a link or more info on that LED web thingy, TY

Any links to any LED stuff into an LED thread would be great for all of us LED enthusiasts!!!


DaGambler said:
i dont' know what the deal is whith those 300 seeds you got... i'd try germinating them in different ways... if you still get nothing it isn't because they are fresh its because they have been accidentally sterilized from be overheated somehow.

my biggest concern for the thread was clone pics i saw... i don't know that your actual length on some of those was... but it looked like some approached 8" or longer! i'd say keep your clones to around 4" (5" max)... it leaves less length of moisture and nutrients to have to travel before getting to the leaves. They were also bent over right away. They should be standing up. Anytime a clone does fall over, you should be 'staking' it back upright, supporting it with a twist tie inserted into the medium and with a 'half halo' at the other end to support the plant.

it seems that, with these higher wattage leds, leds are about to the point of being usefull during clone and vegetative growth. i think you have the right idea in trying to keep a low plant profile... which is why i'm kinda surprised you havn't topped your plants yet.

i remember reading a post by a guy supposable in the LED industry somehow... he said they were working on a LED NET... like a spiderweb that you can just 'cast over' your plants. A 6' by 6' web would be great on a 3' tall flowering plant. Until someone makes one of these... i'm not sure how good LEDS are for flowering, so i'll be paying close attention to your grow.

Hopefully LEDS will continue to go down in price. Where's all the damn cheap chinese labor and technology when you need it ?!

Good luck man :D

(EDIT) i've also had a plant (seedling) put up the 'primordial' leaves before and then have no other leaves to put forth... some times they are just retarded. No offense to all the retarded growers out there! :D
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cruzer101

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potpimp said:
He sent me about 300 seeds!!! I tried gemming about 30 of them so far and not a one of them popped. I think maybe they were fresh seeds and need to be stored for a year before using. Anyway, I digress. I was thinking about planting those babies outdoors - all over. That would be a hoot.
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I read that some seeds have thicker coatings on them and water has trouble getting inside. One Idea is to skiff up the outside of the seed. You can take like a matchbox, line the inside with some sandpaper. Put some seeds in it and shake them for a while. Until you see the shell scratched up. Then drop it in water overnight and see if it sinks. if it sinks you know they are getting water.

Might help ya.
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potpimp

potpimp

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bobbyboy34 said:
lumens play a part during Flowering, it looks as if during Veg they need low lumens and exact wavelength...

are you using 50w led panels or what, im sorry i would go forward a search but im too lazy to do that, i'd rather give you the chance to respond and increase you post number, lmao

also, where did u get those from, im thinking of getting Four 50w all blue LED panles from HTG supply to go with my 4 2" HO FLOs.......remember everyone, LED panels are considered boosters, you still need a Flo, the plants still need SOME lumens for ENERGY
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Here is a fleabay link to some good ones. http://stores.ebay.com/LEDwholesalers-Inc_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQftidZ1QQtZkm

They have 13.8w for $25 and 50w for $99 and a set of 4 13.8w for $120. They have blue, red and mixed. They are all you need. Plants needing HID lighting is a pure myth with these new lights. I can't wait to post new pix of my grow.
 
potpimp

potpimp

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DaGambler said:
i dont' know what the deal is whith those 300 seeds you got... i'd try germinating them in different ways... if you still get nothing it isn't because they are fresh its because they have been accidentally sterilized from be overheated somehow.

my biggest concern for the thread was clone pics i saw... i don't know that your actual length on some of those was... but it looked like some approached 8" or longer! i'd say keep your clones to around 4" (5" max)... it leaves less length of moisture and nutrients to have to travel before getting to the leaves. They were also bent over right away. They should be standing up. Anytime a clone does fall over, you should be 'staking' it back upright, supporting it with a twist tie inserted into the medium and with a 'half halo' at the other end to support the plant.

it seems that, with these higher wattage leds, leds are about to the point of being usefull during clone and vegetative growth. i think you have the right idea in trying to keep a low plant profile... which is why i'm kinda surprised you havn't topped your plants yet.

i remember reading a post by a guy supposable in the LED industry somehow... he said they were working on a LED NET... like a spiderweb that you can just 'cast over' your plants. A 6' by 6' web would be great on a 3' tall flowering plant. Until someone makes one of these... i'm not sure how good LEDS are for flowering, so i'll be paying close attention to your grow.

Hopefully LEDS will continue to go down in price. Where's all the damn cheap chinese labor and technology when you need it ?!

Good luck man :D

(EDIT) i've also had a plant (seedling) put up the 'primordial' leaves before and then have no other leaves to put forth... some times they are just retarded. No offense to all the retarded growers out there! :D
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Most of the time the clones perk back up the next day. I tossed out two more today and none of them have roots. I'm beginning to wonder about this damn cloning thing. Maybe I'll use the rapid rooters next time instead of just plunking them in the neoprene collars. With so much information on here it's hard to find what works because so much of it is misinformation. I'm with you on the cheap chinese labor for LED's!! Seems like they would be a lot cheaper than they are but they are already worth it to me.
 
potpimp

potpimp

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420 4 fun said:
Dude!!!

It would be much appreciated if you could post a link or more info on that LED web thingy, TY

Any links to any LED stuff into an LED thread would be great for all of us LED enthusiasts!!!
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http://stores.ebay.com/LEDwholesalers-Inc_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ0QQftidZ1QQtZkm

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=53194

The HTG site has some very good info on the LEDs. I bought mine from them and they are not really 50w; they are 45w and a bit more pricey than fleabay although I love buying from these guys.
 
potpimp

potpimp

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Here are some more pix of my "stunted" plants that are only 6 weeks old from seed. Yes that is a yard stick in the last pic but if I had used my 400w HID's on them I am sure they would be like 12 feet tall by now. You know LED's aren't good for vegging or flowering, only for looking cool. And they are sooooooooooooo expensive! Why with that money you save by buying HID lights you can pay to run them for ...maybe two weeks! Of course they will cost you $40 a month more than LED's in extra lectricity than the LED's but you get that nice yellow hue to all your pix.

My res ran low again but evidently I caught it before they got too bad; it's not nearly as bad as last time and only the tops were wilted. As you can see I've yanked two boys and the grow cab is looking pretty sparse. I don't know if the clones are going to make it; they have no signs of roots yet and it's been a week for some of them.



 
420 4 fun

420 4 fun

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Dude,

Try this,

Setup another rubbermaid tote (res 2) on a bench with the bottom of res 2 at about the height of halfway up the main res.

cut a hole in on the main res, about 1-2-3" above where your normal water level is, (you will know how high once you have the float valve) for a hose from the res 2 to attach to a screw in float valve that sits a lil above your comfort level of nutes in the main.

Then cut a hole on the bottom side of the res 2 cut out the hole on the side, not the bottom, unless you make a rack to hold the res 2 with a hole in it so not to interfere with the out take.

Get one of those valves that poke out of the hole and then have a big plastic nut to screw over it with big rubber washers.

Attach a garden hose, it will be strong enough as there is no pressure in it.

and attach the hoses to res 2 and main res float falve. it might be hard to find one for how i described, the ones i used to use just had J hooks and hung off the edge of the rubbermaid totes.

Now you will have a back up res that will automatically fill your main res up to the level you set it at.

No more fuck ups hehe

couple things you gotta watch for tho.

main res PH will rise, so you gotta watch it all the time, it is a consistent rise, so you will get a system down for when to change the nutes in the main.

You can use it all the time, or just when you go away for a few days or feel like stoning out in front of the PC or TV for a day and a half haha


if it doesnt make sense, its cuz im stoned, just mesage back if you got any Q's

I am hoping I can test out some of these puppies soon http://www.led300.com/
I want to grow in a vertical system or a 3x6 scrog
LED only from veg to finish
2 of these 300 watters over about 20-30 plants



potpimp said:
Here are some more pix of my "stunted" plants that are only 6 weeks old from seed. Yes that is a yard stick in the last pic but if I had used my 400w HID's on them I am sure they would be like 12 feet tall by now. You know LED's aren't good for vegging or flowering, only for looking cool. And they are sooooooooooooo expensive! Why with that money you save by buying HID lights you can pay to run them for ...maybe two weeks! Of course they will cost you $40 a month more than LED's in extra lectricity than the LED's but you get that nice yellow hue to all your pix.

My res ran low again but evidently I caught it before they got too bad; it's not nearly as bad as last time and only the tops were wilted. As you can see I've yanked two boys and the grow cab is looking pretty sparse. I don't know if the clones are going to make it; they have no signs of roots yet and it's been a week for some of them.



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cruzer101

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Yea, I had to set up something like that when I was partners on a grow at a friends house and he would forget all the time. The res would drop and he would be out of it.

I used a float valve too and a second res placed above and to the right the main res. gotta make sure you set the level while the system is watering or you might overflow. just turn it on and mark the tub.

The way to get around the ph issue is to keep the second res ph at 5.0 or whatever you assume you will need.

worked for me.
 
andyman

andyman

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Somethin I learned on those led lights like you have. you only want the ones that use a power cord that drops it down to dc voltage. like 12 vdc 24 vdc or 21. these will last longer and be more efficient. Not the ones that have a cord coming strait out of them like a lamp cord.
 
potpimp

potpimp

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andyman said:
Somethin I learned on those led lights like you have. you only want the ones that use a power cord that drops it down to dc voltage. like 12 vdc 24 vdc or 21. these will last longer and be more efficient. Not the ones that have a cord coming strait out of them like a lamp cord.
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The ones that I have do have a little box thingy on it. I'm sure it's a transformer. I think I solved the problem with running out of water in my res: I added more water! I was only using about 3 gallons of water before so I doubled it. I'll be fine now.
 
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cruzer101

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Well that will do it.
Simple fix. I feel like a BMW designer, alway over engineering things when there is a simple fix. I got to remember KISS (keep it simple stupid)
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