President Obama Is Leading Us Deeper Into Tyranny

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Blaze Master

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Canna Sylvan said:
I need a history buff to help me with this one. I heard a rumor about not only did he not care about freeing black slaves, but since his hand was forced to do it, he was going to send them all back to their country of origin. Since technically they were never citizens. I don't know how he planned to do such a thing, but he was assassinated before he could do so.
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who told you that? lol
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Canna Sylvan said:
I need a history buff to help me with this one. I heard a rumor about not only did he not care about freeing black slaves, but since his hand was forced to do it, he was going to send them all back to their country of origin. Since technically they were never citizens. I don't know how he planned to do such a thing, but he was assassinated before he could do so.
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odd, i have heard that too and have never verified it and don't even remember who told me that.

but yes, i have heard that lincoln's main plan was to send the slaves back to africa, and it makes sense to me given the historical time period and what i know of our own time period (send them back to mexico!).

i am sure that some historian can point to a journal, diary, or correspondence in which lincoln expressed this sentiment. we just haven't found that historian yet.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Dan Kone said:
Well at least you don't attempt to hide the fact that you're a racist.

You've never actually met a black person in real life have you?
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Everyone is a racist to some extent. Those who don't admit it to themselves, at least, are living a deluded life. Just cause I say what others think about too doesn't make me this hateful person bent on some nazi skinhead crusade for world domination. Most people would actually say my problem is I care too much.

Anyway, that video is hella funny.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Hitler came to power by making people afraid and angry. Obama did no such thing, and has done no such thing. Hitler and Obama are in no way comparable. Comparing Obama to Hitler is for the purpose of raising fear. So who's really more like Hitler?​


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Yes, this class warfare that Obama keeps fomenting is not making people afraid or angry at all...
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Canna Sylvan said:
I need a history buff to help me with this one. I heard a rumor about not only did he not care about freeing black slaves, but since his hand was forced to do it, he was going to send them all back to their country of origin. Since technically they were never citizens. I don't know how he planned to do such a thing, but he was assassinated before he could do so.
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Why would he bother freeing them if he was just going to send them back?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Canna Sylvan said:
Everyone is a racist to some extent. Those who don't admit it to themselves, at least, are living a deluded life.
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No, not really. If you really understood why racism exists, it would be impossible to still be racist, even a little bit. Racism is about economics, not racial traits. Once you get that, all racism will seem pretty dumb.

Just cause I say what others think about too doesn't make me this hateful person bent on some nazi skinhead crusade for world domination. Most people would actually say my problem is I care too much.
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I agree. I'd much rather people say what they really think rather than put on an act. That being said, I still will give you shit for it.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Everyone is a racist to some extent. Those who don't admit it to themselves, at least, are living a deluded life.​


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If you understood what the definition of racism is you would realize that less than 5% of the people in America are racist.

It is the belief that a "Race" of people is inferior to your race. That is why it is called "Racism"
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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NLXSK1 said:
If you understood what the definition of racism is you would realize that less than 5% of the people in America are racist.

It is the belief that a "Race" of people is inferior to your race. That is why it is called "Racism"
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5%?? sorry but i have to call bullshit on that one from what i have seen of americans online unless the other 95% have very limited internet access then your number falls well short of 5%
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Canna Sylvan said:
I need a history buff to help me with this one. I heard a rumor about not only did he not care about freeing black slaves, but since his hand was forced to do it, he was going to send them all back to their country of origin. Since technically they were never citizens. I don't know how he planned to do such a thing, but he was assassinated before he could do so.
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That's not true. That is taking bits and pieces of real things then inventing a false story around it. Lincoln didn't have a choice when it came to freeing the slaves because the south positioned itself for war pretty much immediately after Lincoln was sworn in. They did this because of the Lincoln-Douglass debates where it became clear that Lincoln would free the slaves if he was elected. After the south went into revolt, Lincoln had no choice but to take a hard line stance.

As far as the sending back to Africa thing, you have to consider the context. He talked about that way before he was elected as a possible solution in areas who would not accept free black people existing in America. Basically, he spoke to his audience. He spoke of white supremacy while in the south, but sung a completely different tune when in the north. The purpose was to try to make his plan to free the slaves more appealing to his audience. LBJ did the same thing when talking to southern democrats trying to get them on board with the civil rights act. LBJ would always refer to black people as "niggers" when talking to southern democrats. It's just playing to the audience, nothing more.

If Lincoln were to go into the south talking about making black people citizens, they wouldn't have even listened to what he said. So he tried to sell them on the idea that if the slaves were freed, it's possible they wouldn't be freed into their states, they'd just go away. But it was all just bullshit political rhetoric in the end. "Honest Abe" was a politician just like any other. He had no problem telling people what they wanted to hear in order for him to sell them on his goals. That's why there is so much Lincoln said that sounds extremely racist if you don't consider the context of the quotes.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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NLXSK1 said:
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Why would he bother freeing them if he was just going to send them back?
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"but "where there is a will there is a way," and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Abe Lincoln

Of course he didn't really mean it as forcing them to go back to Africa. He meant it as an option. No one asked the slaves what they wanted. It was commonly assumed by white people that the ultimate goal of all black people was to go back to Africa. Some did. Liberia was founded as a country to send freed slaves. But most didn't.

Sending the slaves back to Africa wasn't seen as racist then. They thought all slaves wanted to be in Africa. It was seen as giving the slaves what they wanted. They didn't consider the idea that freed slaves would actually want to stay here.


 
Sure Shot

Sure Shot

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Canna Sylvan said:
Everyone is a racist to some extent. Those who don't admit it to themselves, at least, are living a deluded life.
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Once you've realize that all matter is simply energy vibrating in a dense state, and yet is still 99.9% nothing.
Racism, has left the building!
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Sure Shot said:
Once you've realize that all matter is simply energy vibrating in a dense state, and yet is still 99.9% nothing.
Racism, has left the building!
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It's not even that complicated.... I like Cuba Gooding Junior as an actor, I like Herman Cain, Colin Powell, etc... I dont hate everyone in the black race thus I am not racist.

Lots of people are bigoted but there is a huge difference between not liking and/or being mistrustful or fearful of certain groups of black people and being a racist.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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I blame the Republicans for running goofballs as candidates...now it looks like Obama 2012... that damn socialist, anti-semitic, radical, communist, fascist, angry black man, Kenyan born Muslim ..
 
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bundee1

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The moment you base your judgment of someone based on what someone else of their race has done, you're racist. Everyone deserves to be judged solely on their own actions.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Sure Shot said:
Once you've realize that all matter is simply energy vibrating in a dense state, and yet is still 99.9% nothing.
Racism, has left the building!
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You can spew that new age crystals mumbo jumbo all you want. It doesn't change the idea of race has been programmed into us by society.

There have been studies where pictures were shown quickly. You pushed a button if you thought he had a gun. Pictures of black people had more false positive and white people more false negative. Even when someone black took the test.

A green eyed person has Scananavian in them. But no one would claim someone was white based on eye color. Yet it has happened where a white couple has a dark skinned child because many generations ago, which shouldn't affect skin tone. But the same generations ago a dark skinned couple has a green eyed baby. Why society is so hung up on skin tone, is beyond me. Such is life.
 
sync0s

sync0s

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Dan Kone said:
That's not true. That is taking bits and pieces of real things then inventing a false story around it. Lincoln didn't have a choice when it came to freeing the slaves because the south positioned itself for war pretty much immediately after Lincoln was sworn in. They did this because of the Lincoln-Douglass debates where it became clear that Lincoln would free the slaves if he was elected. After the south went into revolt, Lincoln had no choice but to take a hard line stance.

As far as the sending back to Africa thing, you have to consider the context. He talked about that way before he was elected as a possible solution in areas who would not accept free black people existing in America. Basically, he spoke to his audience. He spoke of white supremacy while in the south, but sung a completely different tune when in the north. The purpose was to try to make his plan to free the slaves more appealing to his audience. LBJ did the same thing when talking to southern democrats trying to get them on board with the civil rights act. LBJ would always refer to black people as "niggers" when talking to southern democrats. It's just playing to the audience, nothing more.

If Lincoln were to go into the south talking about making black people citizens, they wouldn't have even listened to what he said. So he tried to sell them on the idea that if the slaves were freed, it's possible they wouldn't be freed into their states, they'd just go away. But it was all just bullshit political rhetoric in the end. "Honest Abe" was a politician just like any other. He had no problem telling people what they wanted to hear in order for him to sell them on his goals. That's why there is so much Lincoln said that sounds extremely racist if you don't consider the context of the quotes.
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Remember too, at the time it was a legitimate debate that broke up the opinion of the anti-slavery people.
 
BigAzzBudzz

BigAzzBudzz

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Sure Shot said:
Consciousness, navigating perceived reality through the realms of visible light and audible frequencies.
Although that might be too deep for you, or you may not even try to comprehend and simply dismiss it.
You asked.
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No my friend... "Consciousness, navigating the reality of perceived realms of imposed light and fractured audible freq's that never break the threshold of the Delta Change". Although the depths of your conscious cesspool pollute this thread I perceive my friend that you are simply an educated fool. :dunce:

Maybe you can understand this.
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Tooth paste = Your Words
Tube = Your Mouth.
Once out = ?
Conclusion: You can't put it back in.


 
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