Pricing from each perspective - time to get real - can't we all just get abong?

mihjaro said:

Those hoods look like they could hold a 1000W bulb to me. They look like at least 6" air cooled if that's a Can 25 filter hanging in the pic. I've seen 1000's in a lot less.

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yea your probably right but without a good frame of reference its hard to be certain - either way he is still breaking world records here for grams per watt according to his numbers and I wish he would share his secrets on how he broke the documented record with his first grow.

Basically when you go to a dispensary you are getting ripped off. When you use a caregiver you will also get ripped off if you do not find the right caregiver. If you Grow it yourself you will outgrow such idle worries.

Let's again get real. The bigger the ass hole the bigger the price. The more kind hearted the person is the lower the price. That is my reality

Howdy Michiganders,
been lurking and learning for quite awhile now since became legal patient. Please forgive me all you teachers and english majors as you will find my typing and incomplete sentences will drive you wild...This topic has been of great interest in my mind for sometime now. I have been trying to figure out how someone with average skills can survive and yet suppliment their own costs of a good grow set up investment and good genetics. As we all know getting reasonable verifiable "good" genetics is huge part of a successful grow. Having the pure plant numbers it requires to gleen out a "great mother" from seed is also a consideration against expenses and the ability to help supply other patients requirements. The game here in Michigan has changed so much since the medical legal grows began. Prices skyrocketed in general unless you are closely connected to a good grow show. I have wondered how caregivers are able to balance the obvious increase in competition and being good caregivers.

Well if you are good at what you do there is no competition? I see punks slinging $75 quarters around here. The weed is not cured and believe it or not is still a little too wet and fresh.

From what I have gathered there really is no competition? If you are getting quarters for $75 Welcome to the bottom of the "FOOD CHAIN".

OK that I do understand as in any business or hobby. there are price buyers and there are quality buyers generally speaking.. Dispenseries and craigslist and some michigan bud trader ads have pricing all over the map and assume quality as well. I agree if your skills are great or even good you find no troubles keeping happy patients. Being your own patient is absolutely right for those of us with control issues and the interest in growing. Definitely the best in the long run. Plus I control quality of finish and strain.

I do have something I have wanted to ask that is off this topic. I have mixed feelings about the whole cure issue and it could simply be a personal preference issue. Some strain are the best cured well and longer but some strains that are fruity white mixes just seem much tastier fresher in cure. To my pallete the first week out of the jar is the best. sometimes even better somehow right out of the drying bag. Blueberry and White Rhino and others do seem best left for a month somehow to me. Strawberry cough i liked best after three weeks cure til about 6 weeks then the flavor kind of slowly disappeared. It was the first of it for me and we will see. I see so many people who make these 90 day claims. My smoke simply does not hang around that long and not get smoked...unless i hide it on purpose.

spoiler48131 said:

Howdy Michiganders,
been lurking and learning for quite awhile now since became legal patient. Please forgive me all you teachers and english majors as you will find my typing and incomplete sentences will drive you wild...This topic has been of great interest in my mind for sometime now. I have been trying to figure out how someone with average skills can survive and yet suppliment their own costs of a good grow set up investment and good genetics. As we all know getting reasonable verifiable "good" genetics is huge part of a successful grow. Having the pure plant numbers it requires to gleen out a "great mother" from seed is also a consideration against expenses and the ability to help supply other patients requirements. The game here in Michigan has changed so much since the medical legal grows began. Prices skyrocketed in general unless you are closely connected to a good grow show. I have wondered how caregivers are able to balance the obvious increase in competition and being good caregivers.

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It is difficult actually in the sense that its not the money machine as advertised, it is more of a hobbyist venture as I tried to illustrate in this thread especially if you are staying legal and running it as a legitimate business. There has not been a big of a surge of new growers that are successful at doing this job as some anticipated and many patients continue not to grow their own marijuana, because of the high demand for both black market and legal medical marijuana there is still little competition in the medical marijuana market and also on the black market as there is not enough quality growers to provide everyone. It is easy to grow good product after little experience and education but it takes a great deal of commitment and passion to grow quality product.

There is a large surge of new growers but they do not have the commitment or passion about this to provide on a regular basis quality product. I think its easy to become discouraged or give up in the first year when you are really beginning to grasp the important lessons that only experience can teach you. Due to this surge of new growers it makes some people much more selective in the product - if your medicine is not cured well, harvested at the wrong time, or bad genetics then nobody wants it as many consumers are now educated on the product.

If you want to grow your own stash you can do it pretty cheaply in a simple closet with a small light you could provide for yourself and friends easily, If you want to grow for a wide array of people it can easily become difficult to meet the demand and with legal indoor growing the more patients you grow for I have found the more money you lose oddly enough (%) - Ill say it again - Hobbyist venture. Outdoors and illegal growing thats where the money is at in growing if its money your after.

Growers need to stop being greedy cunts and problem is solved takes fuck all effort and fuck all personal time unless you're an anal grower.

This thread hit enough of chord in me ot get me off my ass and actually reply. i find the dynamics of this site interesting and how people play in general. I find it annoying when some people feel some obligation to lecture others on how to price their product and to take over other people threads. this has been going on very frequently on this site as well as others where people have either advertised for patients or caregivers for that matter.

It seems to be still a developing and changing scene for sure. As an older and more skeptical stoner I have chosen to sit back and watch the show abit. There is the sense of excitement of the "green" rush that will die down eventually as people do realize the amount of effort required to maintain quality business platform. In spots there is gaining some traction for dispensory and commercial scale growing while other parts of the state fight it to the bone. It appears to be falling along the lines as I expected the traditional patterns of county behavior ie.. Oakland county vs Ann Arbor /Ypsilanti area vs Chelsea
sorry Wastenaw ( I know cant spell worth a damn) is conflicted in it own county.

Still I had often wondered how much "free" meds anyone can give up on a steady basis.

Peace all you Michigan brother and sisters...

respect mon

Tip top I think your right we should all just grow for ourselves and our close loved ones and not worry about anyone else..... no worries someone else will step in to take your money greedily enough and without any other price pressure..hey good luck with that see how well it is working for the oil companies.....

fuck everyone i am keeping my tasty kind for me enjoy that mexican brick shit... mmmm tasty great White White with a gentle sprinkle of Hash plant kief

I have to agree, cure is indeed a matter of personal preference and it does depend on the strain, some people actually prefer uncured bud believe it or not. In my personal opinion I find uncured bud to be absolutely disgusting, It has been scientifically proven that cured bud is less harsh and more potent and I personally find this to be true. Curing does alter the flavor even up to 3 months with some bud and sometimes I do prefer the 14 day flavor or the 30 day flavor better in a paritculiar strain, I have also found that some strains really only need to cure for roughly 2 weeks before its 'good enough' or pretty much as good as its going to get, but I follow a 4 week minimum and 12 week maximum as my protocol. If you decide to donate to a dispensary they will examine your medicine under a microscope, by examing the bud an expert can easily distinguish if its cured or not and many will not buy uncured buds or buds without a significant amount of amber.

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OK that I do understand as in any business or hobby. there are price buyers and there are quality buyers generally speaking.. Dispenseries and craigslist and some michigan bud trader ads have pricing all over the map and assume quality as well. I agree if your skills are great or even good you find no troubles keeping happy patients. Being your own patient is absolutely right for those of us with control issues and the interest in growing. Definitely the best in the long run. Plus I control quality of finish and strain.

I do have something I have wanted to ask that is off this topic. I have mixed feelings about the whole cure issue and it could simply be a personal preference issue. Some strain are the best cured well and longer but some strains that are fruity white mixes just seem much tastier fresher in cure. To my pallete the first week out of the jar is the best. sometimes even better somehow right out of the drying bag. Blueberry and White Rhino and others do seem best left for a month somehow to me. Strawberry cough i liked best after three weeks cure til about 6 weeks then the flavor kind of slowly disappeared. It was the first of it for me and we will see. I see so many people who make these 90 day claims. My smoke simply does not hang around that long and not get smoked...unless i hide it on purpose.

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I find the Michigan Patient portion of RIU of particular intrest. There are way too many opinions and not enough plane and simple facts. I find the michigan portion more of a one way street which is slowly growing a side road.

Much of all this so far has been crooked mo-fo's of michigan trying like hell to justify their crooked ways and prices. Marketing got the best of many of them and has turned them into slaves.

I am one of the retarts that has the ability to give my patients care and free meds I am like all the others waiting for more to come forth with the reality of growing marijuana, and all it's beauty. Instead of it's false face that it has been recieving for many years do to High Times and Marketing freaks of that nature.

Marijuana is portrayed much diffrent here then it is portrayed in my life.. that is for sure.

What would be considered a significant amount of amber? I know there is quite a bit a debate on the subject but the general rule is?? 50% 25% just curious as a long time hobbyist I find these topics very interesting..as to the level of cure how is that observed under magnification? crystalline structure? actual moisture? I only have the cheap hand held and never the pleasure other then on the web of seeing the digital magnification. I am a chemist and these data points are of a great deal of interest

You must go by everything - amber, crystals, resin,bud density, bud formation, scent, etc. One of the big mis-conceptions of this wave of shit is the Rule Of Harvesting... I see the newbies have all been trained into looking at the crystals and nothing else. Whatta Joke!

Marijuana around here is usually harvested too early as to the growers were taught wrong with an iron fist.

But yes "usually" 75%. You must watch out for strains that "look" like they are almost ready to finish and wake back up with vigour tand bright white hairs in a couple days.

Newbies are not aware of any second bursts of energy.

spoiler48131 said:

What would be considered a significant amount of amber? I know there is quite a bit a debate on the subject but the general rule is?? 50% 25% just curious as a long time hobbyist I find these topics very interesting..as to the level of cure how is that observed under magnification? crystalline structure? actual moisture? I only have the cheap hand held and never the pleasure other then on the web of seeing the digital magnification. I am a chemist and these data points are of a great deal of interest

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The truth is that significant amount is 10% amber especially if you are going from seed but some people look for at least 30% and I think thats a good number to shoot for as you select your genetics to use for your garden thru process of elimination and cloning for the sole purpose of appeasing these people if you have some of them to to appease, the important thing to look for is not amber but to look for the OPAQUE - avoid clear or milky - you want OPAQUE AMBER/PINK/WHITE with little to no clear - amount of amber is dependent on the phenotype at the peak potency. The most important factor is not the color of your trichomes like hic says above, its that you look at the whole picture.

You will learn to find the peak potency with your nekkid eye and will not need a scope after some practice especially when you work with the same strains often - sparkly shiny buds is one indication that you have clear trichomes. The plant will transform from a vibrant sparkling life form with pronounced features, strong pistols, and bright colors to a dark/dull/smooth/soild when its ready.

Well said hic and to be truthful my first blush with your posts earlier on this site did offend me slightly..no worries bro..I have seen many more posts here specifically relating to michigan and can respect your views completely. you purposely went out of your way at first to rub people to get them engaged.
I find some of your views are much closer to mine on this topic. I am a long timesmoker and have watched the show for a long time now and have a more hippie attitude then the greedy..I would prefer to supply my loved ones for free and treat them very kindly as my efforts I will make on my own behalf anyway so why not share my fruits....

there is still too much greed and black market sense to the scene for my likings and no way have I ever dreamed of paying 350 an oz for somethiug I will enjoy as quickly as I do. no matter how you spin it to me. the coporate greed in colorado and California is appalling and goes against all the tradition stoner values...

I do appreciate your advise Deprave and hic ..in the past I have never looked to the color of the trics...that only started after my web research early references at my disposal were either HT or Ask Ed etc..i have always run them til the pistils swell to fullness and the bud structure indicate ripening..some judgment was required based on experience with each strain. Also just running them til they no longer change for more then a week hard to quantify or describe again aquired tasted based on experience with each lovely lady

as opaque...I see a progression of clear to milky to amber but i also indications of a more crystalline structure forming. The tric instead of an oil gland head seems to have almost crystallized and grow hard..is this an indication of a problem or desirable

it means that pariticuliar trich is well beyond the peak potency, it is normal for you to have many trichomes like this at harvest, the point is that you want all of them nearest the peak thc potency as possible, here is a good article on cannabis maturation: http://www.kindgreenbuds.com/marijuana-grow-guide/cannabis_maturation_harvesting.html

milky means its almost there...Opaque white or pink or amber means it is there...Clear means it hasnt got there yet and is still producing...The glands are filling up and no longer continue to produce...

In the end It is a matter of personal preference..trichomes is the last thing you look at because your trichomes go in phases and this is only what you look at after the rest of the plant has matured. A trichome that is milky or amber at week 5 could become clear on week 6 - you can even have amber in very early flowering.

important to keep in mind some strains will NEVER turn amber untill well beyond peak potency, common misconception here, it is my belief that amber is not really an important factor and I shoot for OPAQUE white/amber/pink - I avoid clear at all cost only allowing for 1% or so- and I go for minimal milky or see-thru amber. I find % of amber to be largely irrelevant when talking about all cannabis because that's entirely strain dependent, but again it depends on your preference largely, what do you like? Experiment with your own strains and see for yourself. I feel it is impossible to make a rule that would apply to every grow based on % of amber.

thanks for the link I will check it out...It is a different parameter for me still learning and i appreciate your patience for newbie type questions off the topic...

rzza said:

no egg or chicken or thoughts, facts only or dont say shit.





you are spewing thoughts as if they are facts.

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Heres a couple facts for ya, 1 this is a forum and more than half the shit on here arent facts but personal opinions and 2 you can kiss my ass why would your pt want his plants back in the first place? my cg would have to be doing a pretty shitty job on em for me to ask for them