Pruning in Flower Cycle

shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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I have started doing more defoliation and pruning and I'm getting bigger yields. I flower out my mother plants but before I put them in flower I prune smaller side branches and lower growth then a few weeks in flower I remove larger bottom fan leaves. Trees grow much better when you prune them, and on peach trees you remove every other peach to get large fruit. I also have slow growing indicas that take off when I start taking clones off them. The best part is I'm getting nice top buds and no wasted growth on the scraggly bottom of the plant.
 
SPLFreak808

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Budley Doright said:
Bout a pound :). Seriously though outdoor IMO can way outperform indoor but never had.a 16' ceiling to test my theory lol. With my gorilla grows I get a bit more than indoors but a way longer veg. and they get neglected from time to time :(.
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I mean i would really like to see pics of 2lb indoor 4 week veg lol, A 2lb plant indoor with 32 colas is 27 grams each cola! Very very very tight in a 4x4, it would have insane humidity levels
 
Budley Doright

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Outdoors on average I would think my girls get a 10 week veg and I've had 14' plants (ones I was able to look after daily). Never vegged longer than 4 weeks indoors. As for health the outdoors are generally more robust and sturdy if that makes sense lol.
 
chronicals77

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SPLFreak808 said:
I mean i would really like to see pics of 2lb indoor 4 week veg lol, A 2lb plant indoor with 32 colas is 27 grams each cola! Very very very tight in a 4x4, it would have insane humidity levels
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Durring the day my humidity is 40% right where I want it durring flower and at night it rises to 50%-51%. Day temp 74f, night 64f. Nute solution, 68f-72f which is why I use hydroguard. Excellent conditions and DWC done correctly brings out a plants full quality potential in ways that outdoor and soil growing cannot. True hydro out performs soil grown everytime. This is why the "cannabis farmers" in the Emerald Triangle have to sell to the black market because dispensaries only carry a small supply of outdoor soil grown product so there forced to sell it at $1500-$1900 a pound to the EastCoast when quality indoor grown sells $2500-$2700lb. Master Gardener Jill Lane, owner Skye High Gardens in Washington State grows everything indoors and she is in the best climate for growing plants in the U.S. Now why would a person that lives in the countries best climate hands down for growing plants have her entire garden inside? Its because MOST outdoor soil grown cannabis is mid quality and even the better outdoor quality smoke still cant compare to indoor grown. Grown correctly that is. I have grown some pretty killer erb outdoors or so I thought until I came indoors and started growing hydroponic. Night and day.
 
Budley Doright

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chronicals77 said:
Durring the day my humidity is 40% right where I want it durring flower and at night it rises to 50%-51%. Day temp 74f, night 64f. Nute solution, 68f-72f which is why I use hydroguard. Excellent conditions and DWC done correctly brings out a plants full quality potential in ways that outdoor and soil growing cannot. True hydro out performs soil grown everytime. This is why the "cannabis farmers" in the Emerald Triangle have to sell to the black market because dispensaries only carry a small supply of outdoor soil grown product so there forced to sell it at $1500-$1900 a pound to the EastCoast when quality indoor grown sells $2500-$2700lb. Master Gardener Jill Lane, owner Skye High Gardens in Washington State grows everything indoors and she is in the best climate for growing plants in the U.S. Now why would a person that lives in the countries best climate hands down for growing plants have her entire garden inside? Its because MOST outdoor soil grown cannabis is mid quality and even the better outdoor quality smoke still cant compare to indoor grown. Grown correctly that is. I have grown some pretty killer erb outdoors or so I thought until I came indoors and started growing hydroponic. Night and day.
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I do prefer the taste of well grown hydro ( call me weird lol) but not sure it's better quality. I could be wrong but I believe the strongest tested weed was grown in organic soil. Anyways this is about pruning and I say have at'r and see for yourself if it works for your setup. If not, well it is only a plant and there are always more :).
 
Budley Doright

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chronicals77 said:
Durring the day my humidity is 40% right where I want it durring flower and at night it rises to 50%-51%. Day temp 74f, night 64f. Nute solution, 68f-72f which is why I use hydroguard. Excellent conditions and DWC done correctly brings out a plants full quality potential in ways that outdoor and soil growing cannot. True hydro out performs soil grown everytime. This is why the "cannabis farmers" in the Emerald Triangle have to sell to the black market because dispensaries only carry a small supply of outdoor soil grown product so there forced to sell it at $1500-$1900 a pound to the EastCoast when quality indoor grown sells $2500-$2700lb. Master Gardener Jill Lane, owner Skye High Gardens in Washington State grows everything indoors and she is in the best climate for growing plants in the U.S. Now why would a person that lives in the countries best climate hands down for growing plants have her entire garden inside? Its because MOST outdoor soil grown cannabis is mid quality and even the better outdoor quality smoke still cant compare to indoor grown. Grown correctly that is. I have grown some pretty killer erb outdoors or so I thought until I came indoors and started growing hydroponic. Night and day.
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How many indoor hydro grows have you finished? How many outdoor grows? Just curious.
 
chronicals77

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Budley Doright said:
How many indoor hydro grows have you finished? How many outdoor grows? Just curious.
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Im not being a smartass, just answering your question. That is like asking how many tattoos and piercings ive done in the past 14 years of being a professional artist, theres no way of knowing how many plants ive grown since I was 17 years old. Enough that I wish I had all of it at once right now! lol.
 
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KryptoBud

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shorelineOG said:
I have started doing more defoliation and pruning and I'm getting bigger yields. I flower out my mother plants but before I put them in flower I prune smaller side branches and lower growth then a few weeks in flower I remove larger bottom fan leaves. Trees grow much better when you prune them, and on peach trees you remove every other peach to get large fruit. I also have slow growing indicas that take off when I start taking clones off them. The best part is I'm getting nice top buds and no wasted growth on the scraggly bottom of the plant.
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Would you consider that more defoliation or lollipopping?
 
shorelineOG

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KryptoBud said:
Would you consider that more defoliation or lollipopping?
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Not sure what you would call it but I will do it in stages and am removing large bottom fan leaves. You don't just take all the leaves off . Another guy on here, Afghan King explains it pretty good and it works if you do it right. I never see many people not pruning and deleafing ,unless you do a sea of green with one main cola, which no one does anymore.
 
SPLFreak808

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chronicals77 said:
Durring the day my humidity is 40% right where I want it durring flower and at night it rises to 50%-51%. Day temp 74f, night 64f. Nute solution, 68f-72f which is why I use hydroguard. Excellent conditions and DWC done correctly brings out a plants full quality potential in ways that outdoor and soil growing cannot. True hydro out performs soil grown everytime. This is why the "cannabis farmers" in the Emerald Triangle have to sell to the black market because dispensaries only carry a small supply of outdoor soil grown product so there forced to sell it at $1500-$1900 a pound to the EastCoast when quality indoor grown sells $2500-$2700lb. Master Gardener Jill Lane, owner Skye High Gardens in Washington State grows everything indoors and she is in the best climate for growing plants in the U.S. Now why would a person that lives in the countries best climate hands down for growing plants have her entire garden inside? Its because MOST outdoor soil grown cannabis is mid quality and even the better outdoor quality smoke still cant compare to indoor grown. Grown correctly that is. I have grown some pretty killer erb outdoors or so I thought until I came indoors and started growing hydroponic. Night and day.
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Well yes, hydro imo is much more efficient then soil in terms of growth speed if done right however you still have limiting factors down below, a 3 gallon net pot will not have the same size trunk as a 100 gallon pot of soil.
Once again, there is a right and wrong environment for all species, One room will not optimally cut it for all species of cannabis and/or fruiting plants.
My OG would mold up and foxtail past 7 weeks where my malawi grows perfect in the same outdoor spot.
My malawi would grow lanky and slow indoor where my OG/afghan thrives better.

Actually i also notice clones flowered outdoor vs indoor have different growth,different colors, different high and imo, a better,deeper longer lasting high

Best climate for growing plants? I think not.
Native Washington plants or plants that just so happen to thrive in that envi? Sure
 
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chronicals77

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SPLFreak808 said:
Well yes, hydro imo is much more efficient then soil in terms of growth speed if done right however you still have limiting factors down below, a 3 gallon net pot will not have the same size trunk as a 100 gallon pot of soil.
Once again, there is a right and wrong environment for all species, One room will not optimally cut it for all species of cannabis and/or fruiting plants.
My OG would mold up and foxtail past 7 weeks where my malawi grows perfect in the same outdoor spot.
My malawi would grow lanky and slow indoor where my OG/afghan thrives better.

Actually i also notice clones flowered outdoor vs indoor have different growth,different colors, different high and imo, a better,deeper longer lasting high

Best climate for growing plants? I think not.
Native Washington plants or plants that just so happen to thrive in that envi? Sure
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With all due respect thats not true. Its proven scientific fact that Northern California through Oregon to Northeen Washington is the most ideal climate for plant growth period. No temperature extremes, mild summers, average 45f-50f degree winters all winter. They get snows but by daylight its gone. Its rains a lot and theres a thin cloud cover almost all the time so plants get perfect light without excessive heat. Nurseries everywhere. Not just natives, all plants.
 
SPLFreak808

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chronicals77 said:
With all due respect thats not true. Its proven scientific fact that Northern California through Oregon to Northeen Washington is the most ideal climate for plant growth period. No temperature extremes, mild summers, average 45f-50f degree winters all winter. They get snows but by daylight its gone. Its rains a lot and theres a thin cloud cover almost all the time so plants get perfect light without excessive heat. Nurseries everywhere. Not just natives, all plants.
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Do you think papayas and pineapples could be successfully fruited?

Papayas will slow below 70f and completly stop fruiting under 60f, take it another 10 lower and the tree will be half dead if not completly dead overnight. I know its a tree but im getting at something here

Pineapples loose 50% or more of its metabolic growth rate when going from 85f to 70f. That doubles the growth time for the same size pineapple in the correct environment.

Of course i picked tropical fruits but for a reason of understanding.
 
Resinhound

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SPLFreak808 said:
Do you think papayas and pineapples could be successfully fruited?

Papayas will slow below 70f and completly stop fruiting under 60f, take it another 10 lower and the tree will be half dead if not completly dead overnight. I know its a tree but im getting at something here

Pineapples loose 50% or more of its metabolic growth rate when going from 85f to 70f. That doubles the growth time for the same size pineapple in the correct environment.

Of course i picked tropical fruits but for a reason of understanding.
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Nah bro he has a plant with 18inch colas, that means he knows his stuff, obviously.

Washington is the perfect climate for all plants, you can't dispute this fact... Just look at his plant.
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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SPLFreak808 said:
Do you think papayas and pineapples could be successfully fruited?

Papayas will slow below 70f and completly stop fruiting under 60f, take it another 10 lower and the tree will be half dead if not completly dead overnight. I know its a tree but im getting at something here

Pineapples loose 50% or more of its metabolic growth rate when going from 85f to 70f. That doubles the growth time for the same size pineapple in the correct environment.

Of course i picked tropical fruits but for a reason of understanding.
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I dont see many plants on forums that look like mine and in the short amount time I grow them. Most plants I see are uptopped straight sticks with one cola on top and people talk like a quarter pound per plant is a great haul. It makes no sense to me to just let a photoperiod strain grow unopped. Just by topping 3 times you can highly increase yield. I know yield isnt everything but if your growing quality strains that are capable of more why wouldnt you do something as simple as topping a plant to increase that yield? Because it has to veg a week or two longer? I think doubling or even tripling yield is worth an extra week or two.

The pacific northwest is not a tropical climate, they do get snow and it can freeze at night, however day temps average 45-50f winter long. A lot of people grow tropical plants in the north, I have many so its posdible. They just need protecting in the winter.
 
chronicals77

chronicals77

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Resinhound said:
Nah bro he has a plant with 18inch colas, that means he knows his stuff, obviously.

Washington is the perfect climate for all plants, you can't dispute this fact... Just look at his plant.
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I dont live in the Northwest, I live in the NorthEast where it gets down to -20 in the winter.
 
SPLFreak808

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chronicals77 said:
I dont see many plants on forums that look like mine and in the short amount time I grow them. Most plants I see are uptopped straight sticks with one cola on top and people talk like a quarter pound per plant is a great haul. It makes no sense to me to just let a photoperiod strain grow unopped. Just by topping 3 times you can highly increase yield. I know yield isnt everything but if your growing quality strains that are capable of more why wouldnt you do something as simple as topping a plant to increase that yield? Because it has to veg a week or two longer? I think doubling or even tripling yield is worth an extra week or two.

The pacific northwest is not a tropical climate, they do get snow and it can freeze at night, however day temps average 45-50f winter long. A lot of people grow tropical plants in the north, I have many so its posdible. They just need protecting in the winter.
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Just growing and optimally thriving/fruiting are two different subjects here and the fact that not all plants/trees grow optimally in the same climate without help just puts a cap on the subject if you only disagree.

I don't know about you, I've tried growing tomatoes and peppers indoor however the tomatoes and peppers in my back yard still tasted way better with a thicker texture, they taste way better then the ones i bought at the store also, but im willing to accept that i might be doing something wrong as i have much to learn about common fruits and vegetables, after all its how one learns right?

About the non-topped plants ect, i actually see it all backwards and find it kind of rare to find a plant on rollitup that hasn't been molested into a pretzel with 10 tops. I really dont want to just tag random people here to ask for a show about what they can do but let me tell you it takes them more then 1 picture to show it off. Do you have a photo of the biggest dry cola? You did weigh dry right?
 
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This pic is of a plant that is two weeks into flowering. A week before flower it was defoliated of all fan leaves, except for 3 and what grew in later at the top which is 3 because it's a mutant. One towards the top, one towards the middle, one towards the bottom. In retrospect, the plant shouldn't have been left in veg for a week after defoliation. I'm looking back and guessing that the plant was still packing growth hormones, so when all the fan leaves were removed it went to the next thing that plant had available to grow and pushed all the node(sugar) growth into high gear. Now the node growth looks similar to what the plant did before defoliation. Only time will tell how she will turn out in the end.
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I'm hoping to get an LED in soon to put on her, for some better light penetration. She's up to 30", and CFL's are not going to be able to get in there without being decorated around her on fancy framework.
 
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