Question about breeding/pollen chucking and genetic diversity and consistency

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Greenhorn_Greenthumb

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So I’m as rookie as rookie gets and am only cutting my teeth with growing but I’ve already been having the thoughts that I bet a lot of people have when they first start off, “I love strain x, and I love strain y. I hate the hassle of always buying seeds so why do t I just let them pollenate each other and make some seeds”
it doesn’t take long of going down that rabbit hole before you learn about genetic diversity and variation and figure out that chucking x pollen onto y female is not always going to get you a nice hybrid of the midway point between the two that expresses both parents equally (or close to equally).
so I started to think.... well what if I chose the grandparents instead of the parents. Backtrack the genetics two generations and (hopefully) reinforce the strains traits to further (hopefully) solidify the desired balance of the two strains. And since by choosing grandparents you’d be picking 4 plants instead of just 2 you’d have the ability to picking “cousins” to breed and that may accomplish the reinforcement of genetic traits desired.
let me go into specifics now, it may explain my idea better...
I have 4 packs of reg seeds...
Rare Dankness Ghost Train Haze (Ghost OG x Neville’s Wreck)
Rare Dankness Moonshine Haze (Amnesia Haze x Neville’s Wreck)
Crocket Family Farms Tangie
Crocket Family Farms Sour Tangie (East Coast Sour Diesel x Tangie)

so now, in theory (or in practice ideally) ... If I were to breed a Tangie Moonshine, and then separately breed a sour Tangie Ghost Train, then breed the tangie moonshine with the sour ghost, would that help to solidify the genetic makeup of the strain and give more uniformity? The end result seeds would have had their grandparents as the chosen strains and those grandparents would have been specifically chosen to have been closely related to each other to begin with, then it would take 2 generations of breeding before the end result is finished.

i know slapping together a Durban Kush and a Zkittlez Glue isn’t going to accomplish what I’m trying to describe here, but I’m wondering if the close relationship between the two pairs of strains here would have an effect of increasing consistency rather than decreasing it as I’d expect would happen if u just slapped any 4 random strains together

im not sure if it even works like this, but I thought maybe I could kick off a good conversation here about the subject.

thanks in advance
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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Going to say no unless you had a massive breeding polulation to select from to get desired results.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Those are all polyhybrids and any cross you make will give you plants all over the map. That's why you see so many people mentioning so many different pheno's for so many strains out of a pack of seeds. There isn't any real breeding being done they are just crossing different strains, making seeds, giving them a new name, and selling them. Sure there is some good stuff out there but there's even more that are nothing but pollen chucks or basically what you'd be doing with the first cross you make with any of those strains.

Chuck some pollen and see what you get. Stabilizing anything to the traits you want is going to take a long time and many generations of many plants. That's why I started with 2 landraces. My F5 seeds are ripening on the plant right now. It's taken over 2 years to get to this point. It's not an overnight process.
 
Dabbie McDoob

Dabbie McDoob

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Greenhorn_Greenthumb said:
So I’m as rookie as rookie gets and am only cutting my teeth with growing but I’ve already been having the thoughts that I bet a lot of people have when they first start off, “I love strain x, and I love strain y. I hate the hassle of always buying seeds so why do t I just let them pollenate each other and make some seeds”
it doesn’t take long of going down that rabbit hole before you learn about genetic diversity and variation and figure out that chucking x pollen onto y female is not always going to get you a nice hybrid of the midway point between the two that expresses both parents equally (or close to equally).
so I started to think.... well what if I chose the grandparents instead of the parents. Backtrack the genetics two generations and (hopefully) reinforce the strains traits to further (hopefully) solidify the desired balance of the two strains. And since by choosing grandparents you’d be picking 4 plants instead of just 2 you’d have the ability to picking “cousins” to breed and that may accomplish the reinforcement of genetic traits desired.
let me go into specifics now, it may explain my idea better...
I have 4 packs of reg seeds...
Rare Dankness Ghost Train Haze (Ghost OG x Neville’s Wreck)
Rare Dankness Moonshine Haze (Amnesia Haze x Neville’s Wreck)
Crocket Family Farms Tangie
Crocket Family Farms Sour Tangie (East Coast Sour Diesel x Tangie)

so now, in theory (or in practice ideally) ... If I were to breed a Tangie Moonshine, and then separately breed a sour Tangie Ghost Train, then breed the tangie moonshine with the sour ghost, would that help to solidify the genetic makeup of the strain and give more uniformity? The end result seeds would have had their grandparents as the chosen strains and those grandparents would have been specifically chosen to have been closely related to each other to begin with, then it would take 2 generations of breeding before the end result is finished.

i know slapping together a Durban Kush and a Zkittlez Glue isn’t going to accomplish what I’m trying to describe here, but I’m wondering if the close relationship between the two pairs of strains here would have an effect of increasing consistency rather than decreasing it as I’d expect would happen if u just slapped any 4 random strains together

im not sure if it even works like this, but I thought maybe I could kick off a good conversation here about the subject.

thanks in advance
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Great to hear you interested in breeding.
I wanted to provide some amplifying direction in line with @xtsho

1. I have grown GTH#1 for 3 cycles. It is not ideal for breeding, don't waste your time. I crossed it to F2 and still am getting wild variations in expression.
2. If you must try crossing to get your F2 and keep refining that one strain until you get significantly less pheno/chemtype.
This is essentially what should have happened by RD, however, they want money vice a usable product for the public, thus they send out their seeds in droves.
3. I have also grown Sour tangie. This is a great strain BTW. I will be taking this one the distance to F3 before BX. Then CBD.

Just a tip too based off those strains...GTH#1....super tall haze phenos
Sour Tangie also...stretch armstrong tall
I suspect the breed the sativa LRS to increase the gene pool.

Good luck!
 
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