Question about molasses

Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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Hello Everyone first of all would like to mention long time grower here ,, as i am preparing my out door garden this year ,,, strains are Digital Bluberry and cherry pie x PCK 18 plants 250 gallon mediums
Anyways have been training plants for there outside environment.. in organic soil plants were thriving big time
what i am concerned about or just trying to figure out is my last watering i gave them 1 table spoon of molasses per 2 liters of water ???? although temps have dropped pretty low i left plants outside for couple days since the watering what i noticed was major drooping and the new top shoots having a brownish look
Obviously i freaked hahaha as anyone would of .. and plant growth litterally haulted to a dead stop
Now with only 2 variables or changes i did
was it the cold or the watering of molasses
i ended up flushing plants and also placing them under T5's more or less nursing the couple i left outside

Has anyone had issues before when adding molasses and was 1 table spoon per 2 liters to much to cause possible ph swing the plants were not over watered again very knowledgeable grower here with 25 + years of growing

my guess is the dropping was from cold outside night temps

your thoughts
 

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I don't have 25 yrs exp but I do know molasses is generally used to feed microbe populations. I use 1 tbsp/gallon with 1 cup Ewc. Bubbled for 48 hours. I believe the majority of the sugars are consumed before watering into plants.
 
Darth Vapour said:
Hello Everyone first of all would like to mention long time grower here ,, as i am preparing my out door garden this year ,,, strains are Digital Bluberry and cherry pie x PCK 18 plants 250 gallon mediums
Anyways have been training plants for there outside environment.. in organic soil plants were thriving big time
what i am concerned about or just trying to figure out is my last watering i gave them 1 table spoon of molasses per 2 liters of water ???? although temps have dropped pretty low i left plants outside for couple days since the watering what i noticed was major drooping and the new top shoots having a brownish look
Obviously i freaked hahaha as anyone would of .. and plant growth litterally haulted to a dead stop
Now with only 2 variables or changes i did
was it the cold or the watering of molasses
i ended up flushing plants and also placing them under T5's more or less nursing the couple i left outside

Has anyone had issues before when adding molasses and was 1 table spoon per 2 liters to much to cause possible ph swing the plants were not over watered again very knowledgeable grower here with 25 + years of growing

my guess is the dropping was from cold outside night temps

your thoughts
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I have always used molasses at the rate of one tablespoon per u.s. gallon. so in that regard your tea was a lil strong, however I don't think it'd be enough to piss them off that badly (that quickly), over the course of time and frequent applications I have seen an issue with too much molasses. usually it'll manifest itself with rust-type leaf damage or odd colored veins and slow growth, also molasses (in my experience) leaves the bud ashes a lil darker than i'd like it to be...
Also you'd need to tell us how cold it was, i haven't seen or hear of any "browning" from cold.
Molasses is great! BUT i'd say it's very easy to screw things up with it though.
If you are using it for potassium or micronutrients it works great, but i'd have trepidations about using it much more than maybe twice per grow, and spaced out between.
Obviously the variables involved are endless, soil recipe, etc..
 
I here yeah guys and thanks i am coming to the conclusion that it was to strong,, as well and both issues were the culprits like above post mentioned also that the cold temps didn't help much and as for leaf discoloration yup you said it it shows....

i have never use molasses , cause really there was never no need for it as my organic system works perfect
 

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Darth Vapour said:
as for temps 39.2 F or 4 degrees C
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that's pretty chilly, depending on the strain it can piss them off, but like I said, I haven't seen cold damage cause browning of anything, it just slows them down.
from the pics i'd say they are ok..
For the record I don't use molasses for it's NPK, I only use it for my compost teas
 
owe for sure this is why i am thinking its a mixture of both
the strain is suppose to handle cold very well PCK x Cherry pie owe well here are some pics i actually transplanted them then did molasses.. what i did was un transplant them give them a good flush and placed under T5s again going to trnsplant back today the 2 plants in 6 " black pots really took a beating but as you can see new growth has set in but look at lower leaf colors any way glad there back on track :)
 

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I can almost garuntee it wasn't the molasses. Ive used it from the beginning of my grow days, strong and week. It just doesn't cause problems like that. I just watered in a homemade lacto serum that was 50% fermented milk rice mixture and 50% molasses mixed with water. It was a high concentration of molasses and my plants are loving life today. But my temps are warm.

The cold can definitely cause the symptoms you mentioned. I've messed around with several winter and spring grows, and had male plants out all winter here in CA. The cold can cause yellowing, and the slight browning you mentioned, along with drooping. Especially in smaller plants.
 
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that's pretty chilly, depending on the strain it can piss them off, but like I said, I haven't seen cold damage cause browning of anything, it just slows them down.
from the pics i'd say they are ok..
For the record I don't use molasses for it's NPK, I only use it for my compost teas
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The "browning" I've seen from cold was a very slight discoloration that looked like it would have turned purple in plants that genetically tend to turn purple, but the pure green plants, especially if they are a bit yellow, in the cold they can get a brown hue.
 
thanks i am sure the cold was major factor its all good plants have just been re transplanted and looking good dropping is totally gone its all good thanks everyone
 
I would attribute the problems with temp personally..
Showing classic signs
Locked out nutes, lack of transpiration..
 
reason i started this thread was cause i have left plants out for a few days prior and plants did not show any signs but vigorous growth temps pretty much same night time , the changed occured next day after giving them molasses
 
Imo the change occurred due to watering while having low transpiration rates and slowed metabolic processes from lowered temps.
That temp was not near low enough to be destructive directly. But indirectly makes it near impossible to pick up some of the metals and micro nutes needed in the levels required in indoor growing and causes the drooping leaves already discussed

You could triple that amount of molasses before ec levels were raised enough to have that overwatered look. And ph isnt an issue.
The plant has a natural and predictable reaction given certain stimuli. For example a lack of moisture or too much will result in the plant taking actions unique to that condition, same with a lack of o2 in the rootzone

With all that experience you should notice this and be able to read the plant.
 
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Experienced chemical style grower and experienced organic plant whisperer are two different things but lets not digress, mon..
This is about the plants, temps, nutes, and molasses..
That said, a tsp per litre is the ideal amount or 1.33 Tbsp per gallon but you can fluctuate from that with varying levels of success..for peak efficiency try 0.05% of total volume

A high-Brix watering, though, during a slow-evap and uptake period is a recipe for starving them roots from some much needed gas exchanges, yes.

Some gentle soil pokes with a tooth pick and some extra light / heat and air movement would have been good but now that they have room to breathe you should be laughing again in no time..
Good luck
 
I here yeah all on this reason i suggest possible molasses was that even though it was applied during warm weather during the day mid morning ,,,,,..
. Next day was where i seen significant changes. I have also watered a week before and with same night time temps it did not show as bad as when i added the molasses
i read my plants and new right away osmosis issues from drooping it was not over watered , i should of done a run off ph test ruling out the cause of being posible PH issues causeing the excessive drooping.
People it was like a cut worm attacked it if anyone has ever seen the after effects or just cut your plant stalk at bottom and put it in soil with hr or so its drooped over lol just saying it was excessive it was outside last week same night time temps with no issues so this is why i was sorta confused and yes even veteran growers growing new strains might encounter strange issues
Obviously my first read was cold temps as the culprit as well after flushing plants thoroughly it was approx 2 days before i saw change and this was under artificial lighting
 
Darth Vapour said:
I here yeah all on this reason i suggest possible molasses was that even though it was applied during warm weather during the day mid morning ,,,,,..
. Next day was where i seen significant changes. I have also watered a week before and with same night time temps it did not show as bad as when i added the molasses
i read my plants and new right away osmosis issues from drooping it was not over watered , i should of done a run off ph test ruling out the cause of being posible PH issues causeing the excessive drooping.
People it was like a cut worm attacked it if anyone has ever seen the after effects or just cut your plant stalk at bottom and put it in soil with hr or so its drooped over lol just saying it was excessive it was outside last week same night time temps with no issues so this is why i was sorta confused and yes even veteran growers growing new strains might encounter strange issues
Obviously my first read was cold temps as the culprit as well after flushing plants thoroughly it was approx 2 days before i saw change and this was under artificial lighting
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Right?? man, every strain is like a girl from her own country with her own culture and set of preferences, styles, and values .. Of course we all eat and breathe and like to have sex, but when, how often, and what we prefer exactly, that is the question, is it not? Lol
 
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